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Governments, all governments, are untrustworthy. They've proven this over and over again. If they want use to trust them with our personal information, they need to prove that they can be trusted with this information. Thus far, they've proven quite the opposite.
 
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Fine, I am naive.

They can use something else if they know it's backdoor'd. Would only compromise everyone else's security and give the government some expensive and unchecked powers.
Also, terrorists win only if we're afraid of them. Their goal is not to decrease the population by a few.
 
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Fine, I am naive.

https://github.com/eVanilla/Vesta I can spin up a Whatsapp replacement in under a hour. So all normal people suffer and criminals get back to secure communications.
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They can use something else if they know it's backdoor'd.
Also, terrorists win only if we're afraid of them. Their goal is not to decrease the population by a few.
Something like 60m more people in England to replace those 22. So far covid19 is fantastically more successful.
 
Fine, I am naive.


Do you think any backdoor won't be used by totalitarian regimes against their own citizens?

Iran: World turning blind eye to crisis of mass enforced disappearance

Iranian authorities’ continued failure to disclose the fate and whereabouts of thousands of political dissidents who were forcibly disappeared and extrajudicially executed in secret during Iran’s 1988 prison massacres has sparked a crisis that for decades has been largely overlooked by the international community, said Amnesty International
 
If you don't like it, then move to a country that will honour your liberty but pretty sure it won't come anywhere near the quality of life countries who try to protect their citizens within a regulatory framework provide.
Why don't you move to China, Russia, or anywhere in the Middle East and enjoy the kind of government you're advocating for?
 
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I don't disagree with that...but I am referring to Mi5, not every agency. And the bad actors can/will crack this anyway....you think Russia and China are going to ask permission...

At the moment - there isn't anything for them to crack. That's the whole point of it. If they want to get it, they need to break encryption which it's currently impractical to break.

Breaking a backdoor is easier than breaking encryption.
 
Oh right, because we're no longer democratic by doing this.

isn't UK one big police state already?

it is really not so much about fighting terrorism but about intercepting all contents of communication, you see.
 
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How about a re-write to AES, using an exceptionally larger number of bits.

Somebody give this twit a Parker 52 for his early retirement. Bet he already has a drawer full. (Good luck with this reference.)
 
Except that isn't what Franklin meant with that quote at all. When you actually take the time to research him, you will find that over time, that quote lost all meaning
Thanks for the historical context. But the point of my post remains.

I agree with you about what I would want under those circumstances - at at time when I would be extremely emotional and not care about anyone or anything other than catching the person who killed my family. But that doesn't make it good public policy. If a drunk driver killed my family I would probably want to bring back prohibition. If an illegal immigrant killed my family I would probably want everyone in this country illegally rounded up and deported. Emotional people are not known for making good public policy decisions.
Agree completely with your comments. That’s why I gravitate towards moderates and loathe terrified jingoists.
 
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Sorry, but governments have never given us a reason to trust them. They have and always will abuse power. They are never forthright and perpetually work in secrecy under the guise of keeping its citizens safe. This is the heart of what divides the two major political parties in America. One side is for expanded governmental control, the other is not.

So the governments are allowed access, what next? No amount of government intrusion (not access) will prevent a human being hell bent on harming others to commit a heinous act.
 
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I agree with you about what I would want under those circumstances - at at time when I would be extremely emotional and not care about anyone or anything other than catching the person who killed my family. But that doesn't make it good public policy. If a drunk driver killed my family I would probably want to bring back prohibition. If an illegal immigrant killed my family I would probably want everyone in this country illegally rounded up and deported. Emotional people are not known for making good public policy decisions.
No, I would want them all LEGALLY rounded up and deported because they are breaking the law and shouldn't be here. No emotion involved.
 
No. If a back door exists, it will be abused by the government.
If a backdoor exists, it will also by found by foreign governments and/or spy agencies, and by organised crime anywhere in the world.
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And I don't see why a terrorist organization would use encryption known compromised by MI5 et al, rather than a rather easily written "home-brew" unbreakable solution. Murdering innocents, with likely banned weapons in likely gun-free zones, indicates they're not inclined to adhering to encryption backdoor laws.
Good old RSA, well-described in Donald Knuth's "Art of Computer Programming" around 1980, is still uncrackable with 2048 bit keys, the maths is easy enough that I can write code for encryption / decryption in a day without any references, and while it's not very efficient, it's plenty efficient enough to process (just an educated guess) 100 Kbyte to a Megabyte per second on modern phone hardware.
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I am happy for MI5 to access my details online and my electronic devices. Once they know I am essentially boring and pose no threat they won't waste their time examining what I do - but it might stop atrocities like the Arena bombing from happening.
Hint: If MI5 can access your details online, how long do you think will it take until hackers will get their hands on this, and use to access your banking details online?

The malware that took the NHS down not too long ago was stolen from the NSA.
 
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So 99.9% of everyone should have their privacy taken away for the tiny percent of terrorist out there? Not sure I agree

Yet people are practically strip searched at airports. There IS president for overreaching government attacks on our privacy, and so many courts have slapped them back.

No privacy for politicians if they strip it away from us.
 
Great, 22 folks end up being saved.

Then untold hundreds or thousands of dissidents in various totalitarian regimes end up "dissapeared" thanks to the same back door.

Any backdoor accessible by the "good guys" will also be available to the "bad guys".
In that specific case, the UK government has been know to help various totalitarian regimes to make people "disappear". So the distinction between "good guys" and "bad guys" is very dubious to start with.
 
No.

Maybe if the British Government spent more time focusing on actual crime instead of online thought crime we would trust them more
People have had criminal charges and official Police warnings for jokes and saying non-PC things like ‘transgenderism is a mental illness and shouldn’t be promoted in schools’

Yet Islamic child rape gangs responsible for hundreds of thousands of child rapes brushed under the rug.

I have absolutely zero faith in the British intelligence and justice system, putting more trust in them is absolutely out of the question.
I really hope the new conservative government can start fixing some of this mess but I have my doubts.

This is the same MI5 that murdered Dr David Kelly, the UK’s chief weapons inspector before the Iraq War. They already have one of the most extreme and pervasive intelligence gathering systems on Earth, they don’t need more power.

 
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Good old RSA, well-described in Donald Knuth's "Art of Computer Programming" around 1980, is still uncrackable with 2048 bit keys, the maths is easy enough that I can write code for encryption / decryption in a day without any references, and while it's not very efficient, it's plenty efficient enough to process (just an educated guess) 100 Kbyte to a Megabyte per second on modern phone hardware.

According to an article at ExtremeTech, a 4096 bit key was broken through a 'side attack' by one of the inventors of the RSA encryption scheme. One wonders if the information would still be usable after it's unencrypted/broken, but *shrug*

The secrecy/strength of the encryption is based on the sophistocation of the random number generator used.
 
How about Foxtrot Oscar.

The stand by companies is refreshing. A line should be drawn regarding privacy. If I have nothing to hide, then I have nothing the authorities should be poking their nose into.

How about the head of mi5 releases the personal browsing history and personal emails of all his family? I’m sure he has nothing interesting to hide so why not?

If legal intercept is the only way to catch terrorists and criminals then they are screwed......backdoors to Facebook, imessage et al will simply be an inconvenience for criminals not a showstopper.
 
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