Michael Jackson - Dead at 50 (Cardiac Arrest)

[Anuba]

Love his vocals!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQCeAWlTV0

Well... one thing you can give MJ credit for is that he didn't engage in gratuitous wailing like Mariah Carey, Whitney, Aguilera and others who are more concerned with showing off their vocal licks than with the actual source material. It's clear that he respected Chaplin's original melody and didn't once deviate from it. Generally he kept it simple and on the rare occassion he did add something extra it was done tastefully, like at 3:00 on this song.

NO ONE can even begin to image what his life was like, what he went through.

Look – yes, he was deprived of a childhood, to an extent. Yes, he was probably beat up pretty badly by Joe. But it takes someone with extreme delusions of grandeur to make it the biggest deal in the world ever ever EVER. Nevermind WW2, what about Michael's chiiiiiiiiiiiiiildhood?

Michael had 8 siblings. They all grew up on the stage, in the same household, with the same parents, and they all got a taste of the same belt. I wouldn't go as far as saying the rest of them turned out "normal" in any conventional sense of the word, but there are some things that can be said about Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, LaToya, Marlon, Jermaine, Randy and Janet:

- They didn't build giant amusement parks for themselves and spend most of their adult lives riding a choo-choo train

- They didn't surround themselves with hundreds of kids daily or consider 12-year olds their bestest buddies

- They didn't whine about their childhood in Every. Single. Interview.

- They didn't sing teardripping songs called "Childhood"

OK, so he was robbed of his childhood. Billions of people are. If you were born in India you started supporting your family by working 12-hour days when you were 9, and your line of work sure doesn't involve singing on the Ed Sullivan show. But, whatever, fine... compensate, Michael, have a bit of delayed childhood when you're an adult. Just make it quick, because, you know, a childhood really isn't that long. You play around with some toy cars and suddenly you have pubic hairs and a deep voice, and bam you're off to high school and emerge an adult. You get about 12-13 years worth of childhood-esque life and that's it. But not Michael Jackson, oh no... his childhood just had to go on and on and on. After 12 years (say, between 18 and 30) of the best childhood in the history of the universe, with his own theme park, all the money and toys in the world and a whole staff cooking and cleaning for him, he was nowhere near done. Nope, still gettin' a piece of that childhood. 20 years of it. No, 30 years. "But Michael... you have kids now, isn't it about damn time you grew up?" "Shut up, can't you see I'm up in my treehouse building Lego?"

At some point you have to take responsibility for your own life and actions and grow up, no matter what you went through as a child. The other 8 Jacksons pulled it off (with a question mark for LaToya whose head isn't screwed on right). Countless other former child stars did too. Brooke Shields started when she was 11 months old, but she wasn't the one in the casket at Staples Center. You can't hold the entire world responsible except Michael himself. Nobody forced him to die from daily injections of an anaesthetic designed for the E.R. He would nag 99 doctors for it until he found the 100th who caved in, and he would take it in spite of the 99 doctors telling him he was an idiot. He didn't take no for an answer because he was Michael Jackson and he knew best. That's not a responsible parent no matter how many of his entourage praise his fatherly qualities.

 

[Music_Producer]

That's not a responsible parent no matter how many of his entourage praise his fatherly qualities.

Oh absolutely. He was irresponsible, I mean how the hell can you take something when you know it could kill you .. if you love your kids so much? I guess addiction is a horrible thing and no matter what, you can't overcome it.

When he took Diprivan he was being monitored by a anesthesiologist (during the tour) Don't know if he assumed his cardiologist would do a good job monitoring him? I'm waiting to see what the whole investigation brings up.

As for his childhood obsession - sometimes people can't let go, they don't grow out of it. They don't want to - they make up their minds - it's a psychological thing. He had the money and the means to make his theme parks, zoos, etc - so he did whatever he wanted to make himself comfortable imo.

What you said about vocal butchering - Mariah is still ok, but Christina..

 

[applecultvictim]

michael was a delicate soul and amongst the best artists this world has ever seen.

Most other people around him, journalists (the worst, by far, of all), all those twunts blathering about him...nothing to me.

btw, lovely fans song to michael:

eff the press
you're the best.

 

[MattG]

Michael Jackson died?

 

[Berlepsch]

Michael Jackson died?

Michael who?

 

[aaquib]

Michael who?

You know, MJ. Michael Jordan.

 

[Unspoken Demise]

You know, MJ. Michael Jordan.

MICHEAL JORDAN DIED!!!!!!!??????

 

[Blair230]

Im sorry but I dont understand the need to idolize this guy. He was a freak and had "questionable" morals and situations (to say the LEAST) in the last 12 years or so.

Why does dying elevate him to idol status?

 

[eleven2brett]

Im sorry but I dont understand the need to idolize this guy. He was a freak and had "questionable" morals and situations (to say the LEAST) in the last 12 years or so.

Why does dying elevate him to idol status?

Well, I can't think of a single person whose death would cause more of a media frenzy than his, save maybe Obama's.

 

[Chone]

Im sorry but I dont understand the need to idolize this guy. He was a freak and had "questionable" morals and situations (to say the LEAST) in the last 12 years or so.

Why does dying elevate him to idol status?

He is idolized for his significance and achievements as a musician, his personal life has nothing to do with it, as controversial and twisted as it may be, people love him for the immense cultural phenomenon he was as a MUSICIAN. I for one love his music (well mainly his stuff from the 80's), I could care less about his value as a human being; I just know that he was a top-notch dancer, singer and overall artist.

Also, people tend to be shocked when someone big or "familiar" to them dies, even if that person doesn't really mean anything to them, it was the same with Lady Di and it would probably be the same if someone such as Paris Hilton or someone with similar exposure died.

It's hard to think Michael Jackson is not one of the most known persons on the planet.

 

[Blair230]

He is idolized for his significance and achievements as a musician, his personal life has nothing to do with it, as controversial and twisted as it may be, people love him for the immense cultural phenomenon he was as a MUSICIAN. I for one love his music (well mainly his stuff from the 80's), I could care less about his value as a human being; I just know that he was a top-notch dancer, singer and overall artist.

Also, people tend to be shocked when someone big or "familiar" to them dies, even if that person doesn't really mean anything to them, it was the same with Lady Di and it would probably be the same if someone such as Paris Hilton or someone with similar exposure died.

It's hard to think Michael Jackson is not one of the most known persons on the planet.

Im sorry but seperating the "artist" from the human being doesnt cut it for me. Where do we draw the line with this? How much can we as a society overlook just for the sake of someone's "contributions."

 

[BoyBach]

Jackson death ruled as homicide

The death of Michael Jackson was homicide due to intoxication by anaesthetic, the Los Angeles coroner has formally announced.

The 50-year-old singer died in June from cardiac arrest at his LA mansion.

The powerful anaesthetic Propofol and Lorazepam, a sedative, were the "primary drugs responsible for Mr Jackson's death", the report said.

The coroner's verdict increases the chances of criminal charges being brought against his doctor.

Police have interviewed Dr Conrad Murray but he has not been named as a suspect. He has strenuously denied any wrongdoing.

"The cause of death was established as acute Propofol intoxication," the coroner's report said.

"The manner of death has been ruled: Homicide," it adds. In the US, the crime of homicide includes manslaughter.

...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8227778.stm


Blimey. I wasn't expecting this.

 

[obeygiant]

Michael Jackson's death ruled homicide

Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- With Dr. Conrad Murray officially charged in Michael Jackson's death, the Los Angeles coroner has released the autopsy report that said it was a homicide.
The 51-page report gives vivid detail supporting last August's conclusion that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication."
Murray told investigators he gave Jackson propofol, a powerful anesthetic, to help him sleep.
An anesthesiology consultant hired by the coroner to review the findings of the investigation said that "there are NO reports of its use for insomnia relief, to my knowledge," according to the report.
"The only reports of its use in homes are cases of fatal abuse (first reported in 1992), suicide, murder and accident," Dr. Selma Calmes wrote.
"The standard of care for administering propofol was not met," she wrote.
Murray, who was with Jackson when he died, is charged with involuntary manslaughter by acting "without malice" but also "without due caution and circumspection."
Jackson, who hired Murray as his physician while he prepared for what was to have been a series of comeback concerts, called the doctor to his rented Holmby Hills mansion last June 25 at about 1 a.m., the report said.
"The decedent complained of being dehydrated and not being able to sleep," it said.
A police affidavit previously made public said that the doctor told investigators he gave Jackson three anti-anxiety drugs to help him sleep that morning.
Murray told them he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for six weeks at the time of the singer's death. He had given Jackson 50 milligrams of the sedative propofol diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine every night via an intravenous drip.
The doctor told police he was worried that Jackson was becoming addicted to the drug and was trying to wean him off it.
During the two nights before Jackson's death, Murray said, he put together combinations of other drugs that succeeded in helping Jackson sleep.
Coroner investigators first examined Jackson's body at UCLA Medical Center less than three hours after he was pronounced dead. They used the picture on his California driver's license to confirm it was the singer.

cnn

 

[Hmac]

I like that......"The standard of care for administering propofol was not met,"..... major understatement there.


"Involuntary Manslaughter" is just another way of saying "criminally stupid". The guy is an embarrassment to the medical profession.

 

[Doctor Q]

I've never heard of propofol being given without an anesthesiologist present. This was clearly a huge accident waiting to happen. Jackson was one of a kind in his career and I hope his death will be one of a kind too.

 

[Hmac]

I've never heard of propofol being given without an anesthesiologist present. This was clearly a huge accident waiting to happen. Jackson was one of a kind in his career and I hope his death will be one of a kind too.

Propofol isn't some mystery drug and doesn't require an anesthesiologist, just a doctor with some training in it's administration, some common sense about patient monitoring, and knowledge of appropriate airway management. This guy booted all three, not to mention the use of it as a sleep medication. He went so far off the reservation it is almost incomprehensible.

 

[Doctor Q]

Propofol isn't some mystery drug and doesn't require an anesthesiologist, just a doctor with some training in it's administration, some common sense about patient monitoring, and knowledge of appropriate airway management. This guy booted all three, not to mention the use of it as a sleep medication. He went so far off the reservation it is almost incomprehensible.

It's commonly used with surgery but is there any other on-label (approved) use in the U.S.? Or any good medical reason for off-label use?

 

[Hmac]

It's commonly used with surgery but is there any other on-label (approved) use in the U.S.? Or any good medical reason for off-label use?

Induction of anesthesia for surgery, deep sedation for short procedures (like colonoscopy etc).

The most common off-label use of propofol (almost always ill-advised) is trying to use it as a sedative. Technically, it's classified as a hypnotic, which may be where that (IMHO) misconception comes from, but the margin for error is just way too small, unlike the other better known hypnotics like Valium. Individual patient reaction to propofol is just too variable to be used casually, and that's especially true when the patient also has other meds on board such as Versed and Fentanyl. The margin between appropriate loss of awareness and respiratory arrest is just too narrow. The appropriate way to admininster it is by precisely controlled IV drip and titrate the amount of medication based on the patient's response. Oops...oxygen saturation going down a little? Turn the drip down until they're breathing again. Valium, lorazepam, Versed, even the narcotics all have relatively consistent single doses. Not true of propofol - the dosing is just too variable. That's yet another thing that Conrad Murray should have known but apparently didn't.

Now, having said that, respiratory arrest, which the usual side effect of propofol, is no big deal to someone who is forewarned that it's happening and is prepared to deal with it. Michael Jackson would never have died if a) Murray had been monitoring his oxygen saturation (pulse oximetry in the use of any respiratory depressant is absolutely fundamental) and b) he had the knowledge to support MJ's ventilation until the propofol wore off in a couple of minutes. Nothing fancy - even mouth to mouth respiration would have saved Jackson's life. This stuff is absolutely basic to any doctor who's taken ATLS, CALS, or ACLS, which is most doctors and certainly most cardiologists.

Propofol kills by inducing respiratory arrest, which causes lack of oxygenation of the blood which in turn induces cardiac arrest. All he had to do was recognize that MJ had gone into respiratory arrest and give him mouth to mouth.

 

[Ttownbeast]

All he had to do was recognize that MJ had gone into respiratory arrest and give him mouth to mouth.

That would have been exactly like doing CPR training with the plastic dummy.