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Microsoft and Intel Back HD-DVD
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Object-X said:
XBox 360 doesn't support HDMI, it will have VGAs though. The PS3 will have an HDMI port. I'm getting the PS3 and it's going to look really nice on my 1080p HDTV.
Really good article on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD
Here's a really good page that explains why Blu Ray is a better choice.
Ok it's on a Blu-Ray site so of course it's gonna big itself up, but read it.
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-13564/Index.html
Please post your comments about the above link.
Here's a really good page that explains why Blu Ray is a better choice.
Ok it's on a Blu-Ray site so of course it's gonna big itself up, but read it.
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-13564/Index.html
Please post your comments about the above link.
I was about to say that here we go again Apple backing a technology even though it is better will most likely not be accepted, Kind of like the Betamax thing others have kindly pointed out.
Then I thought, wait Sony is backing this who happens to be movie content owner and the Movie industries has not signed on yet to either format. Also, who has the best reputation with Hollywood, Apple does, they hate MS they blame MS for all the piracy. No matter what MS/intel back it will all come down to what format Hollywood wants to use for thier movies. MS has been trying to make nice with Hollywood with little success.
This maynot be a lost case yet.
Then I thought, wait Sony is backing this who happens to be movie content owner and the Movie industries has not signed on yet to either format. Also, who has the best reputation with Hollywood, Apple does, they hate MS they blame MS for all the piracy. No matter what MS/intel back it will all come down to what format Hollywood wants to use for thier movies. MS has been trying to make nice with Hollywood with little success.
This maynot be a lost case yet.
x86isslow said:
WHY does this always happen? Mac users automatically assume that just because Apple and some other company have an arrangement that their thinking and corporate "alignment" has to be identical.
Intel is a big*** company. There are bound to be differences.
Personally I don't care if they do back HD-DVD. MS can bite me. Why anyone would go with a format that holds less is beyond me. That extra 20GB of store space could be what is needed to keep whole seasons of a TV series from needing more then one disk. Or those special in depth featureetts? They could be all filmed in high def as well and fit on the disk. I despise disk swapping yet people are gung hoe to scream that 30GB is more then enough.
The only think that is making me worry about BR is the activation scheme that Sony may be pushing on consumer players when they come out. I will not go with ay HD format that requires me to hook it up to a net connection and activate my player. Oh hell NO^900000
budugu said:
"more than twice as much"??
um no.
so you're saying that adding a 2nd laser to a player would more than double the cost?
having 2 seprate players would surpass the costs of a single player with 1 extra part.
Mitch1984 said:
Hmmm the BR disk association's website...I think I would rather go to an impartial observer instead of the mother of the format.
I don't think MS had any choice in the matter with supporting HD-DVD. Remember that Sony is the key player in the blu-ray spec. What with PS3 vs. xbox 360 MS's isn't going to want to support and possibly GET the competitor's format. While initially the 360 is going to be just standard DVD they have stated they will prob offer an upgrade to a HD format in the near future. How that will work....no idea. No console has successfully deployed an addin to an extent that penetration is so high that developers can feel confident that they are programming for the majority of the audience. MS could be impaling themselves by doing that. Its somewhat of a moot point anyways.
PS3's are going to sell like mad next year and blu-ray is going to become firmly entrenched before HD-DVD even gets a player out the door. Which they were supost to this x-mas season but that fell though.
PS3's are going to sell like mad next year and blu-ray is going to become firmly entrenched before HD-DVD even gets a player out the door. Which they were supost to this x-mas season but that fell though.
SiliconAddict said:
Heres a great link
Easy to understand with pros and cons of each plus a list of who's backing who and who is backing both.
Prediction: Porn producers pick HD-DVD due to lower cost, therefore, HD- and BD- will coexist for a few years until BD- is cheaper and only then will there be one format. Of course by 2008-09 there will be another new format on the horizon. Let's hope that solid-state memory is cheap enough to get back to cartridge based media instead of optical so we can have yet another device to buy
x86isslow said:
as with another poster above, I don't see how intel's backing really matters on this. Is intel going to put DVD-on-a-chip? It's one thing for windows to support only one format. But Apple can put blu-ray in its computers, and windows boxes can have HD DVD (with blu-ray added through drivers). Relationship with intel doens't change this.
Anyway, blu-ray has the backing of the movie cos. That to me is the critical one. All the manufacturers will come along once it's clear consumers actually want to be able to watch movies on their new dvd players. No content=no success.
Tommyg117 said:
Funny, I said the same thing about my VHS collection when DVD's came out. Ditto for my cassettes when CD's came out. The cassettes were getting all old and crappy anyways so that didn't sting much but I had a few hundred movies on VHS. I was happy to see the quality and the physical size shrink but my investment... I held on to my VHS's for years, never watching them, until finally I sold them all at a garage sale. I got like $0.25 each for those dinosaurs. <sigh> Progress costs money. It costs the developers and the consumers. Moving forward will never be free.
SiliconAddict said:Personally I don't care if they do back HD-DVD. MS can bite me. Why anyone would go with a format that holds less is beyond me. That extra 20GB of store space could be what is needed to keep whole seasons of a TV series from needing more then one disk. Or those special in depth featureetts? They could be all filmed in high def as well and fit on the disk. I despise disk swapping yet people are gung hoe to scream that 30GB is more then enough.
Ah, do you remember 400/800 K floppies, and apple came out with the very first 400K floppies and to be different the PC industry had Sony change that to be 360/720 making the two formates incompatiable. This is what happen when marketing types decide what is best. So it might be beyond you but it happens all the time. The only opposite case is betamax verses VHS which we all know VHS holds more. But you had a trade off, you got more of less quality.
You see a trend here, people will buy crap as long as they get a ton of it.
treblah said:Heres a great link
Easy to understand with pros and cons of each plus a list of who's backing who and who is backing both.
Prediction: Porn producers pick HD-DVD due to lower cost, therefore, HD- and BD- will coexist for a few years until BD- is cheaper and only then will there be one format. Of course by 2008-09 there will be another new format on the horizon. Let's hope that solid-state memory is cheap enough to get back to cartridge based media instead of optical so we can have yet another device to buy
whoa, if porno companies pick hd-dvd, then hd-dvd wins! That's how vhs beat beta...
treblah said:Heres a great link
Easy to understand with pros and cons of each plus a list of who's backing who and who is backing both.
Prediction: Porn producers pick HD-DVD due to lower cost, therefore, HD- and BD- will coexist for a few years until BD- is cheaper and only then will there be one format. Of course by 2008-09 there will be another new format on the horizon. Let's hope that solid-state memory is cheap enough to get back to cartridge based media instead of optical so we can have yet another device to buy
great link nice side by side comparison...
Not that I buy porn, but I am not sure if they are doing porn in HD, does not seem to be the norm for them if you follow your analysis, HD is not cheep and as we all know they make movie very cheap with what every equipment or people they can find....
Thing that sucks about blu ray, is it is gonna cost a freakin' crapload more to produce and get going. Oh and that little part where blu-ray players have a self destruct system, and even more DRM to deal with. Gotta love paying up the nose for technology that will be cracked anyway.
Costs:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/pae...t-gen-dvd.ars/1
5...4...3...2...1...
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050810_131820.html
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000737057152/
Costs:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/pae...t-gen-dvd.ars/1
5...4...3...2...1...
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050810_131820.html
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000737057152/
In my opinion, I don't mind paying a little more for better quality material. Not only the quality, but the fact that Blu-Ray can hold more prevents us having to adopt a new format sooner, and will save me having to buy my favourite films again like I did from VHS to DVD and will have to do again, but if Blu-Ray is adopted it will save me money in the long term.
Blu-ray is the way to go
Of course, M$ is going to back HD-DVD. I'm surprised a lot of movie companies are going with Blu-ray. Blu-ray has more capacity, more expansion room, and it seems from what I've read less DRM. Even if HD-DVD does get the hold on the market, there will be one smart hacker that is able to circumvent the copy-protection and DRM, just as it's been circumvented for mainstream DVDs nowadays.
Who wants to pay $20 for a movie, if you can rent it from Netflix or Blockbuster and burn yourself a copy for about 20 to 30 cents! Duh!
Of course, M$ is going to back HD-DVD. I'm surprised a lot of movie companies are going with Blu-ray. Blu-ray has more capacity, more expansion room, and it seems from what I've read less DRM. Even if HD-DVD does get the hold on the market, there will be one smart hacker that is able to circumvent the copy-protection and DRM, just as it's been circumvented for mainstream DVDs nowadays.
Who wants to pay $20 for a movie, if you can rent it from Netflix or Blockbuster and burn yourself a copy for about 20 to 30 cents! Duh!
Maestro64 said:great link nice side by side comparison...
Not that I buy porn, but I am not sure if they are doing porn in HD, does not seem to be the norm for them if you follow your analysis, HD is not cheep and as we all know they make movie very cheap with what every equipment or people they can find....
Do we really want HD porn ? I mean - some of these "films" are shot with vaseline over the lense so we don't see all the details...
( uuuhhh- a friend told me about the vaseline, I am too evolved to watch porn,,, )
I've always backed Blu-Ray, even before Apple did. Their list of backers just seems to get better and better as time goes on. Apart froma few big names, HD-DVD has a lot of no-hopers and certainly not big players.
Major factors will be so many people buying the BD compatible PS3, big three computer manufacturers, (Apple, HP, Dell), all supporting the format, a lot of the big selling electronics companies, (Sony, Panasonic, Philips), and some of the major movie producers and distributors, (where the balance is a little more even).
I stick by Blu-Ray and hope it wins out, (and hope the new PowerBooks come with them).
Major factors will be so many people buying the BD compatible PS3, big three computer manufacturers, (Apple, HP, Dell), all supporting the format, a lot of the big selling electronics companies, (Sony, Panasonic, Philips), and some of the major movie producers and distributors, (where the balance is a little more even).
I stick by Blu-Ray and hope it wins out, (and hope the new PowerBooks come with them).