Microsoft Announces 2nd Generation Zune Music Player

I am going to say I quite like the new Zune, the lack of Mac support is hardly surprising, and isn't useful to the majority of potential buyers.

The only criticism I have at this point is the inability of TV shows to be sync-able from XP. Of course it may turn out to suck, but to see that I'll need to see some reviews.
 
The Zune seems to be improving, but the gap between the Zune and the ipod seems to be getting larger.

Will it only play mp3 or will it support multiple file formats like the iPod?
This is important to many users who do not like mp3 codecs and also like aiff or lossless files.

And no more shxxt brown? I have come to associate that color with the Zune.

All told, not very impressive.
 
Well they lost the brown and now they have baby poop green? lmao! Anyway, I wouldn't get one for several reasons. It really worries me how they are getting into the video game industry and now mp3 players. I really don't want to turn on my Microsoft TV, talk on my Microsoft phone, listen to my Microsoft MP3 player, ect. Yet most people seem to be perfectly willing to buy there stuff, and bitch ten years down the road when they totally dominate the market and sell nothing but garbage. It needs to stop!!!! Sorry but I do feel better now! lol
 
OK, that hardly seems useful though...

Well what if you bring a movie round on your Zune to your friends house who has an X360? Then its useful as you don't have to fiddle around with A/V Cables, which take up quite a bit of space.

I have to admit I'm clutching at straws a little here.
 
WOW. the zune site is very unproductive. you click "meet zune" and you don't even get to see the "nano" version. instead it asks you what color 30 gig you want and then tells you where to get them. Is it me or does their site look like a 7th grader did it in iweb lol. :D microsoft is macrolame

That's funny, I thought the same thing. I wanted to see it, and I got nothing. I guess I'll get a Touch instead. ;)
 
ok- so that's...

A media centre PC (specific OS which you can't buy seperately and a TV card) vs. any Mac with a USB2 slot and a £75 digital TV dongle.
:rolleyes:




I think you missed the bit where I said an iPod Touch or iPhone anywhere in the world with an EyeTV can stream recordings. Meaning I can buy an 8gb iPod Touch and not have to load TV shows onto it. Just let EyeTV run it all (which, btw, incase you're getting confused by this is a free application with the Digital TV dongle). I could be hiking up on some god forsaken Scottish island, check the listings and see a film I'd like to watch. Press Rec to put it on the schedule and stream it via o2 or a hotspot.
All in lovely H.264 quality.




CONGRATS! Neither do I! As I said so long as I can connect to the internet I'm okay. I can manage this on even WAP enabled mobile phones :rolleyes:



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OMFG WITCHCRAFT


You're not too bright are you :eek: then again you are sticking up for the Zune...

Windows Vista comes with Media Center. That and a HD TV tuner card can be had for less than US$150, which is how much eyetv is. Of course, if you happen to have Vista or Media Center XP, then you don't need anything but a TV tuner card. Not to mention that most PC Desktops $700+ have built in tuners nowdays and Vista so that is a moot point.

That's great that you can remotely watch TV in the Swiss Alps. Like I said, that is with a third party app (eyeTV).

I asked how you got FM on your iPod, not if it has it or not. I am guessing you are using an external adapter. I'm guessing you have something goofy like this to get FM on it. Zune comes with FM built in.

It's lame that you have to buy so many things to get the iPod to do what the Zune can do out of the box.

I'm the one who is not bright?
 
I don't get why most of the people here aren't really critical but only try to bash MS.

That is just the way it is around here. There was a time that Intel was bashed by about 90% of the users on the board until Apple put "Intel Inside" themselves. Now Intel is extremely respected around here. Intel was always the best chipmaker, however no credit was ever given to them until they installed them into a Mac.
 
I don't get why most of the people here aren't really critical but only try to bash MS.

This is a pride thing. You see, Apple has never been the big guy on the block. Apple users have always had lots of pride and always stood up for apple products. Zune, a microsoft product, microsoft, Apples archenemy, is going to be bashed. If your watching football and your team is playing there arch rival in the superbowl, are you gunna say wow i like my team, but the other team is also a top choice that i want to win. I think i will support them now instead. Your not going to, and its the same thing here, Apple fans are going to rout for Apple, not microsoft, and there gunna bash M$ just like you would bash your football teams arch enemy.
 
The new Zunes look sleeker, yet still uninteresting. The color choices aren't that great, either. The green ones look like digested vegetables. :/

Oh well. Better luck next time?

The are so many colour choices out there and M$ seems to pick the bad ones.... I'm really surprised there is no beige :rolleyes:

The colour choice for the Zunes are very uninspired plus they kind of have the G1 Nano thing going...

It's not that the Zune is a very bad or poorly constructed music player it really have never inspired the masses the same way the iPods have, Zune really is the beige of music players.
 
Why? What says that anything red has to be Product(RED)?

Their pink one isn't for breast cancer awareness or the Susan Komen foundation either, should they be clobbered for that too?
For one, MS is clearly trying to ride on familiar features from the iPod, and they've chosen a red that looks very, very close to the iPod red-- at least in the pictures. It's the only pure color they've chosen, and I would presume they've chosen it because the color has done well for iPod. Nobody in marketing could have chosen that color without the question coming up whether they should tie in to the Product(RED) campaign. If they answered no, then I think the question should be asked why they're willing to ride in the wake the Product(RED) iPod generated without coughing up the $10 or whatever it is.

I don't think the $1000 MS would have to shell out for the 100 red Zunes they're going to sell would break the company.

There is no equivalent campaign for other colors (breast cancer, I believe, is largely a ribbon campaign). No, I don't think Ferrari needs to give $10 per car to Africa, but then they were doing the all red thing long before Bono, and they didn't chose the color to mimic the Product(RED) Lamborghini...
 
I'd actually consider one if they had OS X support - it doesn't look like a bad product. Looks like I'm still in line for an 80gb iPod. :)
 
Intel was always the best chipmaker, however no credit was ever given to them until they installed them into a Mac.

Just a little historical context to bury some myths: Mac users' love of the PowerPC platform was not blind fandom, but rather reflected genuine superiority over the big, hot, load, bloated, marketing-driven mess that Intel had gotten themselves into with x86.

Intel's platform today is excellent, and much faster and better than any PowerPC. But the important thing to remember: that wasn't always true. Once upon a time they were slower and less power-efficient than PowerPC.

Then two things happened:

1. PowerPC stopped advancing, as Motorola became more interested in embedded and mobile markets, and IBM became more interested in embedded and console markets. The excellent PowerPC G5 never got a successor, because neither PPC maker was interested in being in the personal computer processor market at all. (Intel was!)

2. Intel recognized what a mess they'd made of the Pentium 4, and wisely dumped that dead-end. They went back to the best of the old Pentium 3 generation and designed a new line of chips going forward from there. A line aimed at efficiency in reality rather than empty MHz numbers in ads. The new line became faster and more efficient then the old Pentium 4s--first for portables, then for desktops too.

Apple saw the portable success, and they saw the plans for the desktop move. Now, for the first time, Intel DID have a whole family of chips on the horizon that were actually worth using. At the same time, the excellent PowerPC showed signs it would go no further in the hands of IBM and Motorola.

So Apple switched, at the only time that made sense: when the new would actually be BETTER than the old. And because they had kept OS X running on Intel in secret "just in case," such an unprecedented change was actually possible. Best of all: Intel actually WANTED to work with Apple. IBM and Motorola didn't care about computers anymore.

It's lame that you have to buy so many things to get the iPod to do what the Zune can do out of the box.

I'm the one who is not bright?

Back on topic: FM? I'm glad iPods and others can do FM for those who need it. Nothing wrong with one more bullet point on a brochure. But where do people go that doesn't already have a radio sitting there? (One capable of AM as well, or even satellite.) My home, work, car, friends' houses, hotels, etc. all have them. People like music when they walk around outdoors, but I don't see very many of them with radios--I see CD players and iPods and not much else. This may be because having your OWN music and podcasts is so often superior to radio ads and DJ-selected endless repeats. Which is why the market for portable media players INSTEAD of radios is so huge.

Radio is, for most people, older and inferior for the things they want a portable player for. For everything else, there's a radio already sitting on the shelf or dashboard next to them.

That makes FM a pretty minor feature, needed by very few people--and thus doesn't need to be standard. I'm glad it's an option, but for most shoppers I don't think it's much of a selling point for a media player. And buying trends would seem to back me up. FM is something people who don't like iPods like to talk about adding cost, but very few of them actually go through life dependent on having FM in their pocket.
 
More Microsoft POS really trying to copy Apple is getting old btw are the back of the Zunes now metal like the iPods? That's what it looks like from the pics.
 
It's lame that you have to buy so many things to get the iPod to do what the Zune can do out of the box. - Quote


You don't understand the fundemental difference between Apple fans and MS fans. For MS fans it's all about what it does. They want the Swiss Army knife. Doesn't matter if it's bulky, hard to use and pokes you every time you sit down. They want options. For Apple fans it's all about how it looks. Beauty, elegance, sleek. They want something that is a joy to look at and work with, if that means sacrificing a few options, well, so be it.

Neither way is wrong, it's just what pleases you.

I go for beauty.:)
 
It's lame that you have to buy so many things to get the iPod to do what the Zune can do out of the box. - Quote


You don't understand the fundemental difference between Apple fans and MS fans. For MS fans it's all about what it does. They want the Swiss Army knife. Doesn't matter if it's bulky, hard to use and pokes you every time you sit down. They want options. For Apple fans it's all about how it looks. Beauty, elegance, sleek. They want something that is a joy to look at and work with, if that means sacrificing a few options, well, so be it.

Neither way is wrong, it's just what pleases you.

I go for beauty.:)

Agreed. I want my products to work when I want them to, and I want them to do the things I need them to do without me having to push any buttons or navigate any menus. I think the Zune's UI was far superior to the iPods, but I haven't seen the new UI enough to change my mind. But all in all, the iPod is still the easiest to use music player, that works with my apps and my other hardware, it's easy to configure (I mean without thinking about it) and it does what I want it to do.

What I want it to do you ask?
(1) Hold my music
(2) Not have features I don't want like FM Radio and Voice recording that would drain my battery
(3) Work when I turn it on and last for DAYS without charging
(4) Work when I plug it into my computer and automatically do things I never know it could do.

There might be some fanboyism in there but what can I say.... my iPod does things that others can't.

I think the Zune updates are good and expected. I do hope that MS sells more and more of them to keep Apple on their toes. I think one move MS could do to take some share away from Apple is make the Zune work on OS X. Then those iPod users that wish for FM Radio and WiFi transmission would get Zunes. That would piss Jobs off for sure.
 
I like the Mac OS because I think it is better for some things than Windows. I also like Windows because it does do some things better than the OS X. I used to think the iPod was the best player because, IMO, it WAS the best player. Looks is one thing but, to me, what it does and how well it works is more important. Sure, the BMWs are nice but what good are they if they are going to be in the shop so much? That's why I prefer Lexus. If you think that having something look nice, but be less functional, then that is fine. It is not a fact but an opinion. Some people here are saying Zune SUCKS! and iPod FTW! etc. like they are facts. I like to listen to FM 'cause we actually have a good station around here, so that is a huge feature for me. I record a lot of shows on my PC so that is a huge feature for me. That is why I now like the Zune better than the iPod. Is the Zune perfect? No. It looks geekier than the iPod IMO and I sure wish there was a 160GB option. But overall, it is a better deal IMO.
 
Ok!

So before everyone goes off on an "OMG ZUNE SUX LOLZ!!!!" tirade, have you actually used a Zune before? Or are you just saying that stuff because Microsoft makes them?


I've never used a Zune, so I'll reserve judgement until I've at least touched one. And you should too, because you don't like it when Windows fanboys go "OMG MAC SUX0RS!!!!" when they've never used one

YES, I have used a Zune and it did SUCK. It was a horrible experience in every way.

Now this new one actually does seem a lot better with the flicking gesture pad, and the wireless syncing actually made me a little excited BUT.... You have to plug the damn thing in anyway LOLOL, so that feature is basically worthless.

Oh well.... maybe they will get better after another 5 attempts lol. :p
 
1) ewww same ugly colors again...MSFT needs to hire new product designers

2) what do you know! MSFT has copied apple again

3) I heard that MSFT says these new ones are going to put a dent in apple's marketshare. Yeah right....for the same price you can get much nicer designed units that actually have decent colors and are more attractive... when someone walks by with a zune I always say eewwww. hehehe
 
With the classic, they beat the screen size, but you get HALF the drive space.

With the nano, for the same price you get same capacity but smaller screen. I'll bet it's a bigger form factor as well. Is there ANY advantage to the flash zune, I don't see any?

80 gb are priced the same. And Zune will eventually be cheaper.
 
They want the Swiss Army knife. Doesn't matter if it's bulky, hard to use and pokes you every time you sit down. They want options. For Apple fans it's all about how it looks. Beauty, elegance, sleek. They want something that is a joy to look at and work with, if that means sacrificing a few options, well, so be it.

Neither way is wrong, it's just what pleases you.

I go for beauty.:)
errr. when you have to carry 2 devices together, two beauties combined into a bulky.
 
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