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X-Box, now just 6.8 BILLION in the RED!

From Microsoft's site:
Zune: Now in pink, red, and Halo 3 editions.

..HALO 3 EDITION? That green (sorta brown thing) is a Halo edition? This, for a device that has.. NOTHING to do with gaming?

..okay, Microsoft, it's okay *pats back*


Hey, cut them a little slack. Halo 3 is the only thing they got right recently $170 million in sales isn't bad. Too bad the X-Box had a 1.1 BILLION Dollar recall this year... Let's see that puts the X-Box about 7 BILLION dollars in the RED! They are going to need a lot more to pull their head out of you know where.

Just wait for Apple to start picking up momentum in the PC Sales category. Windows Vista is an abortion! Retailers are flocking back to XP!

And we get Leopard this month! Yeah!
 
wait so if you say this is "negative" does that mean your saying the zune's are bad or that it is bad for the iPod because it might take away sales??? I'm a little confused. I was a little impressed but still nothing can beat iTunes...iTunes is what makes the iPod so succesful.
 
Microsoft is not afraid of looking stupid. They should avoid looking like copy cats. Even if the Zune was appealing, I wouldn't carry around a device with that name! How much marketing money did they waste to come up with such a stupid name? Was it supposed to sound "young?"

I don't think 'Zune' is a bad name. I think iRiver is the worst. Pathetic actually.
 
First Amazon goes MP3 and now Microsoft.

I'm not really sure Apple cares a whole lot. I don't think they need the iTMS at all. Still, it would be a shame if they aren't able to negotiate the same agreement with the record companies that Amazon and M$ were able to put into place.

Er... I don't think MSFT is offering any more DRM-free tracks than Apple is - it's only the EMI catalogue again as far as I can gather.
 
The flash zune offers very little competition. but i must say i do like the Zune 2. big screen and it looks decent. competition is good.
 
These look like a step in the right direction. Too bad some of the features are only good in theory... not so much in practice. Another strike would be the fact that these are COPIES. The original is still the best. In my opinion.

Also, for the record, I don't think iTunes FOR windows sucks. I think iTunes ON windows sucks.
 
1.2 million zunes sold. Seems like a lot more than I expected. How does that compare with the iPod? I would never dream of owning a zune my iPhone is perfect. Sorry to see the brown go, it was my favorite joke. Wouldn't mind the wifi sync on the iPhone tho. That would be cool.
 
The ability to sync with Windows Media Center is huge. That means you can have your PC record a TV show for you and all you have to do is sync. No having to pay $2 an episode on iTunes, whenever it decides to show up.

FM is something I'm still amazed the iPod doesn't have.

I prefer the subscription plan of downloading whatever you want to your Zune than having to pay $1 per song (or $10+ per album) on iTunes. I prefer to have a physical copy of an album if I am going to purchase it. Being able to download whatever I want (even if I don't get to keep it) is better 'cause I get to try albums before I buy them. Being able to load them on a Zune is a plus. In fact, other players can use other services like Yahoo! for this. The iPod is the only one of the major players that can't.

Microsoft is updating all the older Zunes with the features of the new ones? Don't you wish Apple did that?

Those are reason enough to pick the Zune over the iPod Classic. No Mac support sucks but I can, and do, use my PC for things like this. No 160GB version? That is a major bummer.
 
I don't get it. Microsoft has intelligent people inside it. They see what Apple does. They work with technology. Why don't they make good products? It's as if they want to be laughed at.

Microsoft may have intelligent engineers but their upper management is full of morons. The people who run the company are still stuck in the mid 80's to mid 90's Microsoft strategy mindset. That strategy was to destroy all competition by whichever means possible (including unethical and illegal tactics, of which they've been found guilty and in the EU fined over $600 million), using FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to discourage people from adopting competing technologies and products, and last but certainly not least, copying existing (and much better) technologies and products and killing off the originals (for instance, DR-DOS was the original and better DOS than Microsoft's).

If you look at Microsoft's products, they have not been successful (read: profitable) with anything except for Windows and Office. In the 90's there was a time when they really were the best option on the PC, because their competitors made lots of stupid mistakes (Apple included). Back then their success was considered deserved (even Steve Jobs said "they've earned their success.. for the most part", circa 1996) However, the only reason they're still dominant in Windows/Office is because of the anti-competitive tactics they've used to create and maintain a monopoly.

Microsoft will probably never make any really good, original products until their current upper management is replaced. Right now the people who run the company don't give half a rat's ass about consumers. This is why their products suck, not because they don't have good engineers. The current management thinks that the way to make a profitable product is to copy something that's successful and then push the original company out of the market, leaving MS as the only option. Of course it won't work with Apple and it won't work with Sony, or any other major company. But that doesn't stop them from trying and hemorrhaging tons of money.

This is why nobody should support Microsoft. They might make products that somewhat resemble what Apple makes, and even sell them cheaper, but these products are subsidized by the monopoly sales of Windows and Office. The Zune is just a poor attempt to undercut Apple, in a desperate move by MS to become profitable in something other than Windows and Office, which they know won't be monopoly cash cows forever.
 
The only reason someone would get a Zune, from what I can derive, is because iTunes on Windows is absolute crap. All my friends who are power users on Windows absolutely hate iTunes. But they love their iPods. I don't know why because iTunes works great in Mac OS X. But they hate it. They complain about crashes, memory leacks, how when you try to quit it it stalls, etc. I wouldn't be concerned if it was just one but it's four different friends. So if there was a MP3 player out there that works even remotely as well as the iPod, they might just dump the iBandwagon and go with a Zune.

It's sad really. What makes Apple so great is that they make the software and the hardware. Something Microsoft has begun emulating.

I was a pretty hardcore Mac user for years. I owned and operated OSXWORLD.COM. I wrote tons of tutorials for Apple's FCP and DVD Studio Pro. Even published a book on Studio Pro.

But a few years ago after building a PC to run After Effects, I started to use the PC more and more. I like the freedom building my own machine affords. Something Apple won't allow us to do easily.

iTunes on the PC runs about as good as iTunes on the Mac. I owned a dual 2.0 GHz G5 and and standard Pentium 4 3.2 GHz, and they ran pretty much equal. These days, I own a dual XEON PC and a Core2Duo PC, and I still say iTunes runs just as well on the PC as it does on the Mac.

That being said, Windows Media Player, and the Zune Marketplace run circles around iTunes. They are both far far faster. I say that, and my Mac friends don't believe me, until I sit them in front of my PC and prove it. It's simply a fact, iTunes is dog slow. You're simply used to it and don't know better.

I bought a Zune 30 GB about a 6 months ago, give or take, and honestly the interface on the Zune in my opinion is better than the standard iPods, but not as great as the iPhone and iPod Touch. I still own 3 iPods. I am giving my 15 GB iPod away, and the Nano and the mini are sitting somewhere but I forgot where. I have not used them in months, and I have uninstalled iTunes from my PC recently as I have simply stopped using it.

I know most Mac users will adopt what Steve Jobs said about wanting to own music. I like to own some of the music, but not all of it. I simply do not see a downside to the Zune Marketplace where you have a choice to buy, rent, or do both. Seems to me that having a choice is better than not having a choice. Mac users appear to believe that owning is everything, but are quick to forget you can own anything from the Zune Marketplace the same way you would own anything from the iTunes store. There is no difference except that if you wanted to, you could download thousands of songs for the monthly rental fee of $15, and explore thousands of songs without paying thousands of dollars. Then just buy the ones you truly like longer than a month. I explore so much more music with the Zune Marketplace model than I ever did with the iTunes model. I also spend far less overall, so to me, it's a win-win.

In terms of a well refined look of the device, I am of the opinion that the iPod still wins. It has a more classic and refined overall appearance. But after about 2 days of using the Zune 30 GB, I totally didn't care. I found all kinds of things I like about the Zune interface. You just get used to it and in the end, the player sits in my pocket while I listen to music anyway. Honestly, I am not staring at it all day, I am merely listening to it.

I know it will be a cold day in heck before a die-hard Mac fan tries a Zune, but a lot of you are doing what you slam Windows users for doing. That's talking out of your arses. Most of you are team cheerleaders and will buy whatever Apple releases. If Apple built it, you run and buy it. You convince yourself you need it. Look at the signatures in this place. Full of bragging over what machine you have and how many of them you have. It's sad really. I jumped ship because I had to admit to myself there was a better value out there.

Give the Zune an honest look, unless you're afraid you might like it more than what you have now. Gosh, that would just sour the koolaid now wouldn't it.

-Alex
 
Microsoft may have intelligent engineers but their upper management is full of morons. The people who run the company are still stuck in the mid 80's to mid 90's Microsoft strategy mindset. That strategy was to destroy all competition by whichever means possible (including unethical and illegal tactics, of which they've been found guilty and in the EU fined over $600 million), using FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to discourage people from adopting competing technologies and products, and last but certainly not least, copying existing (and much better) technologies and products and killing off the originals (for instance, DR-DOS was the original and better DOS than Microsoft's).

If you look at Microsoft's products, they have not been successful (read: profitable) with anything except for Windows and Office. In the 90's there was a time when they really were the best option on the PC, because their competitors made lots of stupid mistakes (Apple included). Back then their success was considered deserved (even Steve Jobs said "they've earned their success.. for the most part", circa 1996) However, the only reason they're still dominant in Windows/Office is because of the anti-competitive tactics they've used to create and maintain a monopoly.

Microsoft will probably never make any really good, original products until their current upper management is replaced. Right now the people who run the company don't give half a rat's ass about consumers. This is why their products suck, not because they don't have good engineers. The current management thinks that the way to make a profitable product is to copy something that's successful and then push the original company out of the market, leaving MS as the only option. Of course it won't work with Apple and it won't work with Sony, or any other major company. But that doesn't stop them from trying and hemorrhaging tons of money.

This is why nobody should support Microsoft. They might make products that somewhat resemble what Apple makes, and even sell them cheaper, but these products are subsidized by the monopoly sales of Windows and Office. The Zune is just a poor attempt to undercut Apple, in a desperate move by MS to become profitable in something other than Windows and Office, which they know won't be monopoly cash cows forever.

The strange thing about Microsoft is how weirdly directionless they are. They are a company that REACTS to what goes on in the industry and formulates a strategy in response. Online advertising is really successful - let's crush Google. Lots of money in gaming - let's do a Playstation. Facebook seems popular - let's invest in them. Haven't Apple been successful lately - let's do an iPod. No overall strategy, just ad hoc floundering.

The days have gone when Microsoft dictated the agenda. Now they're just a gigantic "me too" company. The only problem is that every new direction they go in just ends in failure. They can't rely on Windows and Office forever.
 
If I wasn't planning on buying an iPhone and I needed 80 GB's of storage I would probably get the Zune 2. Also it would have to work with Mac, I'm not booting up Windows in VMWare just so I can sync my music.
 
Other features include a touch-sensitive navigation button allowing users to slide their finger up/down/left/right to navigate around the screen.

Some people already complain navigating in a 80G iPod with click-wheel is difficult, now with a button,that's tougher,what's Microsoft thinking about?

Also look at the article, they don't even have the courage to show their battery life comparing to that of the iPod lines
 
Damn I'm gonna miss the $ht brown color. Now I'll have to choose between puke green or the Barbie doll pink dress color. :p
 
So before everyone goes off on an "OMG ZUNE SUX LOLZ!!!!" tirade, have you actually used a Zune before? Or are you just saying that stuff because Microsoft makes them?


I've never used a Zune, so I'll reserve judgement until I've at least touched one. And you should too, because you don't like it when Windows fanboys go "OMG MAC SUX0RS!!!!" when they've never used one

definately a good point, the only problem is that i've NEVER actually seen one!!:confused::rolleyes::D

also the fact that theres no osx support kinda turns me away from them
 
Still no plans to sell outside the US, or did I miss that?

I didn't see anything...

MicroSofts failure to address the international market is (in my eyes) a major flaw in their Zune strategy. They have given competitors a year or more to entrench themsleves in those markets.

The other problem of course is that thing move on. The iPod touch looks quite good on paper. I just had a chance to play with one yesterday for about an hour. For once there is a product that almost lives up to the hype. :D

I can't help thinking that the iPod Touch was rushed to market however. Not that I didn't think we would see a device like it. I just thought Apple would replace the iPod by bolting the new hard drive onto the back of the touch. WiFi was also a feature I had not expected to see. The fact that (unlike the iPod Classic) the Touch was not "ready to go" was a little odd.

Not that I am complaining. Yes, there are other players out there - many of them less expensive than the iPod Touch - but its just not the same... ;)

MicroSoft's approach the the Zune has been curiously half-hearted - and their continuing failure to inovate is hurting. Now, what Apple is doing isn't that inovative either (heresy you all cry), but their true genius has been integrating things into the whole package with some solid designs. And that is why Apple has hammered the competition. They could have turned the iPod Touch (or the iPhone) into an all-singing-all-dancing PAD. They didn't. Not yet anyway. Those features will show up over time as Apple trickles them out to keep one step ahead of everyone else. We saw it with the evolution of the iPod. Now we probably will see it with the Touch/iPhone/WhateverTheNextProductIsCalled.
 
Colour me impressed. It's great that Zune 1.0 users will get the exact same functionality as Zune 2.0.
The customers are not getting left behind, which is great.
I can't wait to try out the 2.0 firmware on my old Zune.
 
I find it very interesting that Microsoft went with MP3's for their DRM-free format rather than windows media.

Seems out of character for them.

arn

Maybe they're finally learning. This is interesting.

...Give the Zune an honest look, unless you're afraid you might like it more than what you have now. Gosh, that would just sour the koolaid now wouldn't it...

This is a tiresome cliche around here. Your story is interesting, but ultimately this doesn't tell us much about the viability of the Zune business model, how good the Zune experience is, or really much at all except for your neat story. While I would agree that there are rabid Mac-users (just as there are rabid adherents to anything) and many of them troll this very forum, I find it insulting that you can try to dismiss the critiques of the Zune (or anything for that matter) with some quip about 'kool-aid.'
Frankly, if you're a Mac user commenting in a Mac user forum and there's a cult, you belong to it.
 
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