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Shouting Angrily !!!!

Was checking out the pictures and trying to decide if these units were OK looking or just plain ugly - Conclusion - If you look at them for too long they just look like they are 'shouting angrily' :D
 
I think most of you are being quite ridiculous in this topic. Now as a lover of both Microsoft AND Apple I think all this crap should stop. There's nothing wrong with the fact Microsoft made another product similiar to compete, competition is good. For those of you who love iPods, it will probably make your iPods better as Apple is now competing with them.

Now if I had to choose between an iPod or a Zune 2 it would be a Zune, but I'm getting an IPhone as I need a new phone and I want an Apple product for a change, but the reason I would choose the Zune 2 is because it's not widespread. The iPod is so mainstream and everywhere I go I see one, I'm sitting in computer class with several kids using them nearby as we speak. I would want something unique, pretty much the same reason I chose the IPhone. It's expensive and not many people have it, infact I've never seen an IPhone in person yet. Mine is still boxed, sadly I can't use it until Christmas.

Both Microsoft and Apple have their pros and cons, but it would be useless trying to get some Apple fan boys to realize that, the same way its hard as heck to get Microsof fanboys to accept Apple.

LOL! Oh yeah, I cant WAIT to get a zune-touch-zphone running vista!
That will be a REAL pleasure.....!

You some kind of masochist? We just got the very first cell phone that ISNT rubbish, and you want the IDIOTS at M$ to copy it?

Sometimes I wonder what freakin planet some of you guys live on.....

The Phone is great because it runs OSX - thats the whole thing - OSX.

You see, its a BETTER OS than freakin vista.

All the OTHER phones run linux and symbian and M$ and they are all CRAP - or do you like to spend an hour sending an email from your phone and then finding that it sent the attached photo in 12 pieces (motorola RAzr for example) I kid you not.

You think M$ could make an iPhone with all the brilliance thats inside it?

NOT A FREAKIN HOPE IN HELL.

They just spent SEVEN YEARS on vista and its JUNK - see the logic here?

Two years on the zune, (and it was ALREADY designed for them), and its only as good as a 5 year old iPod.

Yeah, I know - you just love your N95 or your whatever it is.
So why do you need a M$ copy of an iPhone?

Why are we all so DUMB?

Its like the Bush madness - he says they have WMD - they dont, but they still attack and BILLIONS of bucks disappear - gee, just like M$.

See ANY kind of connection yet?

Hold on to your iPhone - the freakin BARBARIANS are at the gate with their bloody zunes, and their iphone copies, and they hate intelligence and beauty.....
As I said before both Apple and MS have their pos and cons.. I dual boot and run both Windows Vista Home Premium and XP Media Center Edition, I've never had any problems with Vista and I think it's their best operating system yet, but it does need to be stablized.

Either way it's just your opinion, it's not a fact that OSX is better. Everyone has their own opinion, I prefer Windows and I HAVE used a mac before, but I still want to get a macbook in the future. That's just MY opinion, while you have yours.
 
Omg!

The ability to sync with Windows Media Center is huge. That means you can have your PC record a TV show for you and all you have to do is sync. No having to pay $2 an episode on iTunes, whenever it decides to show up.

FM is something I'm still amazed the iPod doesn't have.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We switched to using Windows Media Center to record ALL of out HD content for free with an antenna. Media Center, IMHO is better than TiVo. We use a PC in the basement and stream the content to our HD TV with an Xbox 360. We also have out entire music collection, all of our photos, our home movies, and several ripped DVDs that we can easily access with Media Center.

Now, with the new Zune being able to wirelessly sync with all of that free TV content... I AM SOLD! ! !

And I have to agree that iTunes on Windows is DOG SLOW and quite frankly I bet MS knows this is a serious weakness for Apple.

I movied my music library from my Mac to my MediaCenter PC so I could access it from the 360, and since doing so, have HATED iTUNES!

So, now MS has a MUCH BETTER alternative to Apple TV, and they have tied in their music player to it...

This is pretty big guys. There a WAY too many Windows iTunes users. Many of them will be VERY attracting to being able to get to their TV content!
 
Now I'm not gonna be all biased and say ZUNE SUCKS! I've never tried one. Scrap that...I've never even SEEN one!

At least if I saw one the person would be seen as "original". The iPod is THE MP3 player in this universe. Apple has gone too far ahead of others to catch up.

I don't even think windows users would go for a zune. I used to be a windows user and still had iPods!

At my uni, you would think Apple has 99% market share...everyone with a laptop has a mac, and everyone with an mp3 player an iPod. It really is a revolution.

I've seen a first gen Zune.

Thick.As.Hell. We're talking 1G iPod thick.
firstipod.jpg
 
Now if I had to choose between an iPod or a Zune 2 it would be a Zune, but I'm getting an IPhone as I need a new phone and I want an Apple product for a change, but the reason I would choose the Zune 2 is because it's not widespread. The iPod is so mainstream and everywhere I go I see one, I'm sitting in computer class with several kids using them nearby as we speak. I would want something unique, pretty much the same reason I chose the IPhone. It's expensive and not many people have it, infact I've never seen an IPhone in person yet.

Seriously?
People still do this?
They purposely buy an inferior product because not enough other people have it, so it make them feel more "special"?

That really baffles me. :confused:
 
Seriously?
People still do this?
They purposely buy an inferior product because not enough other people have it, so it make them feel more "special"?

That really baffles me. :confused:
I'd rather buy something unique than something nearly every teen in America has. I'm not saying anythings wrong with the iPod, I like it, bit its too mainstream for me..
 
Most of you sound like whiny babies in the playground. Crying because your friend got new and much better shiny toy.

Get over yourselves. Competition means better things for everyone. If the Zune had OS X support, I would give it a look. There are better devices than the iPod. Get over it.
 
Most of you sound like whiny babies in the playground. Crying because your friend got new and much better shiny toy.

Get over yourselves. Competition means better things for everyone. If the Zune had OS X support, I would give it a look. There are better devices than the iPod. Get over it.
I couldn't agree more.
 
zune review

So before everyone goes off on an "OMG ZUNE SUX LOLZ!!!!" tirade, have you actually used a Zune before? Or are you just saying that stuff because Microsoft makes them?


I've never used a Zune, so I'll reserve judgement until I've at least touched one. And you should too, because you don't like it when Windows fanboys go "OMG MAC SUX0RS!!!!" when they've never used one


Google Zune review, top hit:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/15/zune-review/

Quote: "We came away underwhelmed and not at all surprised -- and why? The expectations were for Microsoft to deliver a "Microsoft" player and system; maybe not too shabby looking, but not very usable, and definitely bug-ridden."
 
You don't get it. WiFi sync is not useless in my opinion. I would love it, love it, love it, if Apple would implement WiFi sync for all non-media data on my iPhone -- you know, calendars, contacts, um, ahem, notes and to-do lists!!!!

Here is the deal: You calculate 125MB at 40 Mbps -- which you won't get, you'll get 36 max, maybe 40 if you stand right by your WiFi router the whole sync, which is like having to stand right by your Mac. That is a finite number of megabytes transmitted using a finite transfer speed given in bits. Saying a 125MB WiFi sync on g will take about 25 seconds is like saying, I have to get 10 miles from point A to B, the speed limit the whole way is 60 MPH, so it will take me ten minutes to get there. But you have to find your car keys, go out and start your car, back out of the parking space, pull out onto the highway, accelerate up to maximum speed limit, slow down for lane-changers, deal with various traffic-related reduction off your maximum speed limit, park at your destination, turn off the car, take the keys out, lock the car, and walk inside.

Sync'ing is not the same as transferring bits from one place to the other in a vacuum. It's not even the same as a file copy over WiFi. Which you should try. If you have a couple 802.11g Macs on a home WiFi g network, copy 125MB of data over WiFi, record the time from initiate copy to copy finished and see if it comes anywhere near even 36 Mbps. It won't. There's security, connection negotiation, check-summing, all this involved.

Sync'ing is worse. Sync'ing has to verify allowable connection, like logging in, to the master device, the computer; it has to determine what has changed and what hasn't, and that can be wonky in and of itself -- ever notice iTunes recopying 4 or 5 songs you know you haven't touched? Well, you did something somewhere causing iTunes to think they changed, you just have no idea what, but it will recopy them. A few songs, no big deal. 400MB video file it decides to recopy, whole different story. Okay, so now we know what's needs to be copied, to be sync'ed. Now we have to have a discussion about where that stuff goes. First we have to find out if we even have room to copy. Sure, there's 10GB open. But we have to ask and get an answer, don't we? Then we have to put the right stuff in the right place and then we have to tell the Zune what it is we put and where we put it and we have to ask the Zune to check and report back that it understood what we told it and verify indeed it did as instructed. Then we have to update the computer side about recent little WiFi sync. Then we have to say bye-bye in a clean manner.

For small bits of text-based data, like calendar items, contacts, this is not such a big deal over WiFi. It's quick to send and easy to verify. But for media, not so. Flip a bit in a 5MB song transfer and we trash the whole song. Won't play. So we have to really examine that file to make sure it's the same as resides on the master, the computer.

Just as WiFi is good for copying word processing files around your house, WiFi is fine for sync'ing simple, small amounts of data, mostly ASCII strings, with a high tolerance for error. But you don't want to ship big, say, Photoshop files around your house via WiFi. Not if you do it all the time.

As for Bluetooth, it can actually be faster for certain kinds of file transfers. Although sync'ing is still a different business. At any rate, it still keeps you parked near your Mac.

WiFi sync'ing rich media to/from media players is a poor user experience. It is a checkbox item on the feature list at the expense of good design.

Do you buy that much music between syncs? I plug my iPod to my Mac just about every day, at most I move over 1-2 podcasts and maybe 1-2 songs. And when I plug in the iPod, I usually use the computer for several minutes, and in that case even Bluetooth would be fast enough to sync that content over.



Using WiFi, 125MB would take about 25 seconds. How would that work? Well, I could start the computer, and start the sync. I would then start to head out the door, and by the time I close my front-door, the sync would be finished. With a cable, I would have to wait by the computer until the sync is finished.

And, at least Zune offers this feature, whereas iPod does not. Don't like wireless syncing? Then don't use it, and use the cable. That way there would be no real difference between the Zune and the iPod. As far as syncing goes, the Zune offers all the features iPod does, while offering something extra that iPod does not offer. Doesn't that mean that as far as syncing goes, Zune beats the iPod?



And it would be radically different if you used a cable? Why?
 
...because you don't like it when Windows fanboys go "OMG MAC SUX0RS!!!!" when they've never used one

There are no windows fanboys. Just anti-apple boys. I mean c'mon, who could get excited over windows?

:p
 
What? Firstly-

You must not have an EyeTV. I record all my TV shows, trim out the adverts and send them to my iPod with about 6 clicks, 7 if I have to press Sync in iTunes. I can set my shows to record remotely too, so long as I have access to the internet. And also get an iPod Touch or iPhone to view the recordings remotely, with a bit of trickery I've turned my computer into a veritable slingbox style device.

Zune can do that?

My iPod has a radio function. The same device also acts as a remote control.

Yes, the Zune can do that and, unlike the iPod, you can do that without having to buy anything extra. The only exception is the sync to the Zune remotely from a different location but, then again, neither can the iPod unless you use third party software. I don't have to be at my PC to tell it to record something. I can program it from another PC. Hell I can access it from my 360 and that's with no additional software!

I'd love to see how your iPod gets FM 'cause my 5.5G iPod sure doesn't have that feature and it was not announced for the classic.
 
Here is the deal: You calculate 125MB at 40 Mbps -- which you won't get, you'll get 36 max

So what? So it takes a bit longer, big frigging deal. If you are in a hurry, use the damn cable.

Saying a 125MB WiFi sync on g will take about 25 seconds is like saying, I have to get 10 miles from point A to B, the speed limit the whole way is 60 MPH, so it will take me ten minutes to get there.

feel free to adjust the 25 seconds to one minute if you feel like it. But still: fact remains that by the time I head out the door, the sync is complete.

For small bits of text-based data, like calendar items, contacts, this is not such a big deal over WiFi.

I routinely use Bluetooth for that, and WiFi is a lot faster...

WiFi sync'ing rich media to/from media players is a poor user experience. It is a checkbox item on the feature list at the expense of good design.

And what would you say if Zune actually has very good WiFi-syncing? And Wifi-syncing seems to be working on the AppleTV just fine.
 
Correct they are all the things I use my touch for but its not meant to be a music hub for home... it has a limited battery life and all the music that’s on your pod is on your PC...... why are you trying to shove a square peg into a round hole ? You say you cant put a laptop in your pocket and that’s my point.... touch/iPod is a mobile device........ thanks for agreeing with me. period. end of story. Game set match 50dollarshoes. :p:p:p:p:p

Do you happen to be 10?
Kidding.
Sure the iPod is a mobile device. Doesn't mean you can't use it at home. I listen to my iPod Shuffle when going to sleep.
 
The only reason someone would get a Zune, from what I can derive, is because iTunes on Windows is absolute crap. All my friends who are power users on Windows absolutely hate iTunes. But they love their iPods. I don't know why because iTunes works great in Mac OS X. But they hate it. They complain about crashes, memory leacks, how when you try to quit it it stalls, etc. I wouldn't be concerned if it was just one but it's four different friends. So if there was a MP3 player out there that works even remotely as well as the iPod, they might just dump the iBandwagon and go with a Zune.

It's sad really. What makes Apple so great is that they make the software and the hardware. Something Microsoft has begun emulating.

Um, ALL applications on Windows, including M$ Outlook, etc exhibits "crashes, memory leacks, how when you try to quit it it stalls". It's a Windoze problem, not iTunes problem.
 
I think the argument is: Zune != iPod=> therefore it sucks. QED.


I love the bagging on the Xbox... Especially since the Pippin did so well during it's lifetime ;)

What does this have to do with quantum electrodynamics? ;)

No, not everything that is not iPod sucks. Zune sucks. For God's sake people Zune won't even support -- or didn't until now, if they changed it -- Microsoft's own Plays For Sure DRM. If you bought a bunch of PFS music trusting Microsoft support for it, and you wanted a Zune, you had to repurchase all that music through the Zune store. That's not "sucks" that's "moronic".

How is saying I loved my X360 bagging on it? It has a flawed design and perhaps poor build quality. But when it works, it's great. Tremendous fun, great games, great graphics, great audio. When it works.

Pippin was unmitigated product disaster. How is pointing out the flaws in X360, which despite the hardware nightmare and support issues is very much a going concern in current generation consoles and deserves to -- MS should fix the damn things for good and all after almost two years, but its' got some smashing content -- how is being frank about X360's problems in anyway saying Pippin should then or now be used for anything other than a uniquely designed rather expensive tea tray?

To wit:

Zune sucks.
Current X360 hardware design sucks.
X360 gaming experience is great.
Pippin sucked.

NPP. (Nuclear and Particle Physics) ;)
 
I'd rather buy something unique than something nearly every teen in America has. I'm not saying anythings wrong with the iPod, I like it, bit its too mainstream for me..

There's nothing wrong with mainstream if its good. Buying something 'exclusive' simply because its more expensive is a little depressing - it essentially functions as a badge indicating that you are lucky enough to be able to afford it...

I think there's a bit of a whiff of this around the iPhone. Many who can afford it are secretly quite pleased that it's so expensive I suspect :rolleyes:

If you really want to be individual you'll need to look beyond what you choose to buy. To be really individual, why not choose not to have a cellphone at all. No? Thought not... ;)
 
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