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I'd say a touch keyboard *is* meant to accomplish the exact same thing that a physical keyboard is. It is a method of getting words from your head into the device. Part of the problem is simply that the keyboard is on the screen, so it ends up getting in the way and you end up staring down at your tablet in a rather uncomfortable position. Microsoft's cover offers a reprieve from that experience, allowing you to choose your method of input.

I agree that the iPad is a good media consumption device, but it seems like the void the iPad fills is just so small compared to either a smartphone or a laptop/ultrabook. It's obviously selling well enough, but I'd be curious to see how often people use their iPads versus how often they use their desktop/laptop or smartphone.

It's clear to me that tablets are not something that have been figured out. Apple's made probably the best attempt so far, but there's still plenty of work that can be done. I'm interested to see how the Microsoft experiment goes, and how it shapes future devices.

True, a keyboard is just that, and both kinds perform the same function. I was referring to the amount of typing each was intended to perform. Aside from apps that attempt to offer writers an opportunity to play, the majority of apps require very little text input. Laptops still have their strengths and are better suited for certain goals. I can't understand, however, why someone who needs a keyboard doesn't stick to laptops rather than try to make the iPad into one. A trackpad for a touch device? That's anti-progress.

Meanwhile, I think consumption is the dominant activity among computer users. If not, iOS devices would not be outselling Apple's other products. Outside of their 8 to 5 job, few people are creating; the majority are following, friending, gaming, and exploring.
 
Yesterday I was really excited about this new tablets, so today I downloaded Windows 8 to try it out and I must admit now Im really disappointed.

The windows 8 store is really bad. I know its too early, but the apps in there were just awful. In total there were like 100 or 150 tops, and just 10 were useful.

I don't really like either to open a Windows Live ID account. Hated hotmail back in the days. I know I can use my Gmail, but I don't want to have a Windows Live ID ever again.

The UI was nice but not that intuitive, like iOS. And the apps were no that great either. Music is much worse than on iOS, and so is Maps (horrible Bing maps), calendar (ugly UI for me), Mail (I prefer much more Mail in iOS), internet explorer is meh, etc.

Overall I expected something else maybe. Im glad I got to try it out today. Now Im almost sure my next tablet will be the iPad 3 or 4.

Maybe next year the Windows 8 tablets will be worth it, when they get some thousand quality apps. Without apps theres not much to it really. iPad wins in apps. specially quality wise.

I really wanted to buy the ARM version.

Out of the thousands of iPad apps, I've bought 5 and don't even use them.
What use is all those thousands of apps to me or anyone if they don't use them regularly and are mere gimics/games that are used for a brief time.

Why did I need to open an apple account to buy stuff from the apple store?
Is my credit card or paypal not good enough?

I'm not fond of Bing maps either and hope they have a Google map app.

As for email, I hope they allow file attachments without a 3rd party app that must be purchased for the iPad.
 
Out of the thousands of iPad apps, I've bought 5 and don't even use them.
What use is all those thousands of apps to me or anyone if they don't use them regularly and are mere gimics/games that are used for a brief time.

Why did I need to open an apple account to buy stuff from the apple store?
Is my credit card or paypal not good enough?

I'm not fond of Bing maps either and hope they have a Google map app.

As for email, I hope they allow file attachments without a 3rd party app that must be purchased for the iPad.

I've bought several dozen for the iPad and use them frequently.
 
Out of the thousands of iPad apps, I've bought 5 and don't even use them.
What use is all those thousands of apps to me or anyone if they don't use them regularly and are mere gimics/games that are used for a brief time.

Why did I need to open an apple account to buy stuff from the apple store?
Is my credit card or paypal not good enough?

I'm not fond of Bing maps either and hope they have a Google map app.

As for email, I hope they allow file attachments without a 3rd party app that must be purchased for the iPad.

Wow u clearly make things up to justify nothing. Out of the many hundreds of thousands of apps on the iOS app store u choose only 5 and those u don't even use? Right, so how would owning this vaporware help in that regard? I'm guessing you just enjoy looking all tiles all day long.

:rolleyes:
 
It has a USB 3.0, an HDMI and a Display Port.

That's not fair!

Can Microsoft get away with that? Maybe Apple can get that German judge to stop Microsoft.
 
It has a USB 3.0, an HDMI and a Display Port.

That's not fair!

Can Microsoft get away with that? Maybe Apple can get that German judge to stop Microsoft.

Since Apple invented USB, it's a good possibility. Plus they have the patent on rectangles too.
 
This really seems like a challenge to the Macbook Air and the Ultra-books rather than a challenge to the the the iPad.

The need to use a Keyboard, and a stylus are counter the iOS and Android devices. The idea that the Surface will use differing CPU platforms is also a concern with compatibility for applications. The price point for the Surface will likely be high; so use of current software on Windows 8 will be a make or break option for this product. Especially at the IT Manager level...

I will be watching to see if Windows 8 becomes an environment where most everything runs on all platforms - PC / TABLET / PHONE. That would be the next step that Apple has not yet integrated.

In the end, I suspect that Price and flexibility will be the deciding factor. Right now Apple has the lead in that realm and Android is close, especially with speciality devices.

I also see the "need/desire" factor as a concern for sucess:
If the surface is a PC/LAPTOP replacement then people ask the question "Do I need a new PC/Laptop?" rather than "Do I want to Add to my digital toys?"

Seriously, I think a lot of people got and iPad or Android Tablet because it was not a replacement of something they already own. If it replaced something I think people question more weather they actually "need" or desire a change.
 
Another big mistake by MS

If I need to have a keyboard and trackpad with full fledged apps, why wouldn't I
just buy one of the many great laptops out there? I don't want a "Combo" device that is half laptop and half tablet, what's the point? It just seems kind of
dumb to me. Who really knows for sure though, since the majority of people still use Windows.:eek:
 
oh so people bought the ipad to play around with small iphone apps that took up a fifth of the screen.

those iphone apps meant nothing to the draw of getting an ipad

Of course not.

But it meant everything.

There was the perception. The mental justification of saying "I can buy this now because there's already apps that work (which easily scaled to the full screen) until developers make more iPad specific apps." mind you, I said justification, not motivation.

And plenty of games did just fine on the upscaled screen. I played my iPhone version of angry birds until I got tired of it and never actually bought the iPhone version.

But most importantly, there was an installed base of developers for ios ready to take advantage of a relatively easy conversion into the iPad format. So the iPad app store grew very quickly.

None of which would have happened as quickly as it did if the iPhone apps didn't pave the way
 
If I need to have a keyboard and trackpad with full fledged apps, why wouldn't I
just buy one of the many great laptops out there? I don't want a "Combo" device that is half laptop and half tablet, what's the point? It just seems kind of
dumb to me. Who really knows for sure though, since the majority of people still use Windows.:eek:

Definetely better to go all retina with the iPad and MBP but these 99% people say they don't have the money.
 

Be fair that says 1 day before Launch!

We are, I believe 5 months away from Microsofts Launch & I would care to guess the quality of the apps for this new tablet will be on average a lot higher than many of the early iPad titles on launch day, which lets face it were more like large screen tweaked iPhone apps.

I'm sure both the iPad tablet and the Surface tablet can own their own areas of the market and both can offer excellent software to both types of customers.

I think Android is going to be the big loser here.

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If I need to have a keyboard and trackpad with full fledged apps, why wouldn't I
just buy one of the many great laptops out there? I don't want a "Combo" device that is half laptop and half tablet, what's the point? It just seems kind of
dumb to me. Who really knows for sure though, since the majority of people still use Windows.:eek:

Sure, you can buy two devices and have to carry them both with you all the time. Exellent. Why have one device that can do it all in the same form factor when you can have two.

Do you carry a MP3 Player, a Camera and a Mobile phone around with you, or do you think one device that can do all 3 tasks pretty well is more practical?
 
Yesterday I was really excited about this new tablets, so today I downloaded Windows 8 to try it out and I must admit now Im really disappointed.

The windows 8 store is really bad. I know its too early, but the apps in there were just awful. In total there were like 100 or 150 tops, and just 10 were useful.

I don't really like either to open a Windows Live ID account. Hated hotmail back in the days. I know I can use my Gmail, but I don't want to have a Windows Live ID ever again.

The UI was nice but not that intuitive, like iOS. And the apps were no that great either. Music is much worse than on iOS, and so is Maps (horrible Bing maps), calendar (ugly UI for me), Mail (I prefer much more Mail in iOS), internet explorer is meh, etc.

Overall I expected something else maybe. Im glad I got to try it out today. Now Im almost sure my next tablet will be the iPad 3 or 4.

Maybe next year the Windows 8 tablets will be worth it, when they get some thousand quality apps. Without apps theres not much to it really. iPad wins in apps. specially quality wise.

I really wanted to buy the ARM version.

I think a lot of this event was to get developers moving on Win8.

Most people cant get an app into the Store at this point either so the number is low. You need a code given to you before you can be a part of the developer program and submit apps at this point. I tried submitting my app yesterday but couldn't make an account for this reason.
But yes a lot of the apps need work done on them before I start to use them often. THe bigget issue is developers not working scrolling abilities into their app's navigation.
 
Yesterday I was really excited about this new tablets, so today I downloaded Windows 8 to try it out and I must admit now Im really disappointed.

The windows 8 store is really bad. I know its too early, but the apps in there were just awful. In total there were like 100 or 150 tops, and just 10 were useful.

I don't really like either to open a Windows Live ID account. Hated hotmail back in the days. I know I can use my Gmail, but I don't want to have a Windows Live ID ever again.

The UI was nice but not that intuitive, like iOS. And the apps were no that great either. Music is much worse than on iOS, and so is Maps (horrible Bing maps), calendar (ugly UI for me), Mail (I prefer much more Mail in iOS), internet explorer is meh, etc.

Overall I expected something else maybe. Im glad I got to try it out today. Now Im almost sure my next tablet will be the iPad 3 or 4.

Maybe next year the Windows 8 tablets will be worth it, when they get some thousand quality apps. Without apps theres not much to it really. iPad wins in apps. specially quality wise.

I really wanted to buy the ARM version.

Remember we are, I think 5 months from Launch and this is, in effect Microsofts iPad1. Lets see what their 3rd tablet is like before we say it's all doomed. No-one gets it right on their 1st attempt, Apple make dramatic design changes between it's 1st and 2nd models.
 
Out of the thousands of iPad apps, I've bought 5 and don't even use them.
What use is all those thousands of apps to me or anyone if they don't use them regularly and are mere gimics/games that are used for a brief time.

Why did I need to open an apple account to buy stuff from the apple store?
Is my credit card or paypal not good enough?

I'm not fond of Bing maps either and hope they have a Google map app.

As for email, I hope they allow file attachments without a 3rd party app that must be purchased for the iPad.

iPad has lots and lots of great apps that I used frequently: Plex (connected to my NAS), IMDB, Ignition (to control my iMac and Mac Mini), Downloads, Mobile Mouse (to control the mouse on another mac), apps that can access my NAS and download files, Amazon webshop, VLC, Facebook, Google translator, etc.

I mainly wanted the Windows 8 tablet because it will allow things that Apple blocks, like USB peripherals (Pendrive, cameras, etc), file system, etc.

I thought I would like the Windows 8 UI, but after using it today for about 2 hours I prefer iOS. Maybe Im so used to it, plus I rely on iCloud. Having to set new accounts on Windows Live ID plus Skydrive would be a mess.

For me, its a bummer. I really thought Windows 8 was going to be my perfect dream tablet. Like I said, maybe in a year it will be much better.

My disappointment is not with the tablet itself, which I think is gorgeous. My disappointment comes from Windows 8 itself. The tablet is just perfect with HDMI, SD and all.
 
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Depends... are we talking RT or Pro?
Pro... there are millions of apps since pretty much any Windows based application should run just fine on it. Remember... it's a PC running Windows, not a stripped down OS. ;)

Some serious graphics heavy games and apps may have issues, but that is not what this platform is designed for.

As for RT... there are a few hundred and growing.


Wrong platform.


It's Windows, not Windows Phone, so your comment is moot.

You're right, I didn't realize that windows phone apps would not work on windows 8 or RT

But this creates a different kind of chasm. Developers will gladly develop for the windows 8 (pro) tablet. But what is their motivation for developing for RT? It's not like they already have phone apps that they can tweak into tablet apps. So they'd have to develop for RT, windows, and windows phone.

It's very possible that developers will take the path of least resistance and develop for desktop and windows 8 tablet, ignoring RT. then, even if the RT tablet matches the iPad in price, consumers will get sticker shock to realize that they have to jump to the next price tier to the "pro" to run all the apps they wanted to run.

People won't want to buy the RT if they can't get apps, and developers won't want to develop RT if theres no people.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not predicting failure. I think it's really a compelling product. But it will be interesting to see how they handle some of these issues

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Out of the thousands of iPad apps, I've bought 5 and don't even use them.
What use is all those thousands of apps to me or anyone if they don't use them regularly and are mere gimics/games that are used for a brief time.

Why did I need to open an apple account to buy stuff from the apple store?
Is my credit card or paypal not good enough?

I'm not fond of Bing maps either and hope they have a Google map app.

As for email, I hope they allow file attachments without a 3rd party app that must be purchased for the iPad.

The amount of apps aren't meant to show that everyone will use 2000 apps. That's just a fallacy.

What it points out is that, while there are 5 apps that you use, there are 15 that I use for my business, and few if any are the same. Someone may have a different business and use seven other apps.

The point is, with a large number of apps, there's better odds that there will be something for everyone, from the casual user to the power user, from a salesperson to a small business owner.
 
I heard one review about these tablets on CBS Morning Show they mentioned "...bringing "Sexy" back to MicroSoft..."

"Sexy" is not the first thing that comes to mind when referring to "MicroSoft". Actually, "butt ugly" coding and performance with checkered hair plugs of fustration might satisfy the description.

Fine... bring on the competition! Anything to watch Ballmer do his "Developers!...developers!...developers!...." rant again might make it all that worth it. ;):cool:
 
I heard one review about these tablets on CBS Morning Show they mentioned "...bringing "Sexy" back to MicroSoft..."

"Sexy" is not the first thing that comes to mind when referring to "MicroSoft". Actually, "butt ugly" coding and performance with checkered hair plugs of fustration might satisfy the description.

Fine... bring on the competition! Anything to watch Ballmer do his "Developers!...developers!...developers!...." rant again might make it all that worth it. ;):cool:

Did that get you a bit upset? It's okay. Apple might come back with something better with iPad4 and iOS7.
 
The difference is Apple in the Jobs II era has been extremely disciplined in product launches, where M$ launches products in an almost willy-nilly fashion, numb to what the market wants or can be sold on.

The last huge flop Apple had was the Cube, which failed mostly because it was too expensive for what it was, and adding to that was the fragile build quality of the case. But even those who bought Cubes were able to use them, and upgrade them, well after Apple discontinued them.

Compare that to M$'s flops like Bob s/w, the Zune (including the Windows Plays For Sure incompatibility fiasco), UltimateTV, the Kin phone (lasted all of, what 3 months), just to name a few off the top of my head. Most of these became bricks once, or soon after, M$ dropped support.

OTOH the Apple products you list were discontinued mostly because technology eclipsed their need. iDVD/DVD Studio Pro -- both still work fine. iWeb and Ping are the only real clunkers in the list. Everyone who set up an iWeb site knew it couldn't be exported. And Ping was 1) free, and 2) not anything anyone depended on. Heck I don't think anyone even used it. iDisk was ahead of its time, and not a short-lived product but people like me who used it easily xfered all their data to services like DropBox. Nothing was lost.

I heard one review about these tablets on CBS Morning Show they mentioned "...bringing "Sexy" back to MicroSoft..."

"Sexy" is not the first thing that comes to mind when referring to "MicroSoft". Actually, "butt ugly" coding and performance with checkered hair plugs of fustration might satisfy the description.

Fine... bring on the competition! Anything to watch Ballmer do his "Developers!...developers!...developers!...." rant again might make it all that worth it. ;):cool:
I'd love to know exactly what is "sexy" about this tablet. :confused:
 
I'd love to know exactly what is "sexy" about this tablet. :confused:

Pro:
VaporMag body, solid construction, i5-Ivy Bridge power, Perimeter venting, can double as a workstation as well as a portable tablet with the solid and well designed kickstand, Windows apps, two awesome looking keyboards that have form and function, HDMI, mini displayport, USB 3.0, Metro interface, looks sick (maybe not "sexy" like a woman's product?), magnetic attachments, works with all the old and coming peripherals.

All that combined in the nice looking package could be called 'sexy', I think of it more as a solid product in a nice case.
 
Pro:
VaporMag body, solid construction, i5-Ivy Bridge power, Perimeter venting, can double as a workstation as well as a portable tablet with the solid and well designed kickstand, Windows apps, two awesome looking keyboards that have form and function, HDMI, mini displayport, USB 3.0 (pro, 2.0 in reg), Metro interface, looks sick (maybe not "sexy" like a woman's product?),.

None of those things are sexy.
 
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