I just took a look and was actually surprised even after the warnings. It's like you took the bottom 5% of MR and made them the 80% majority at AI.
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Questions for Fanboys (I'm lumping y'all in this silly word: this includes Apple, MS, Google, et al), I'm betting 99% of these folks are NOT the following:
Programmers
Developers
3D modelers
Animators
Digital filmmakers
Game developers
Stockholder
But are:
Average users.
My question is this: why play sides? Don't you want the best product/whatever for YOU? Why does it matter if Apple or MS or Google or whoever "wins?" you have no financial or real technical reason why you would "want some company to win and destroy another" and sure I "get" the fun in debating which tech company is doing what. But besides this, why do you really care?
This truly astounds me on the chest beating mantra that so many "fanboys" have.
W00master
Programmers
Developers
3D modelers
Animators
Digital filmmakers
Game developers
Stockholder
But are:
Average users.
My question is this: why play sides? Don't you want the best product/whatever for YOU? Why does it matter if Apple or MS or Google or whoever "wins?" you have no financial or real technical reason why you would "want some company to win and destroy another" and sure I "get" the fun in debating which tech company is doing what. But besides this, why do you really care?
This truly astounds me on the chest beating mantra that so many "fanboys" have.
W00master
Aptly put.
I often look at AI as the 4chan of Apple Fanboys.
You know it's bad when Gruber even hates that site.
W00master
I've got a camera and two hot girls ready. My number is 555-555-5555. I'm located in the dark alley of 54th and Red Light street.
I don't know about that. This is the same forum where numerous "fanboys" predicted the failure of iPod and Apple's downfall from iPhone 4S and also thought iPad was a toy.
Macrumors is probably a brand-centric forum with the most amount of anti-fanboys I've seen. I've been using Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android and Windows Phone 7 so I have been to other forums and none of those forums were filled with so many people couldn't stop hanging around in the forum discussing the brand they hate so much.
Seriously if you go back to the first thread after the iPod was released, it was full of skeptical people who were accusing Apple for going downhill, ditto for iPhones and iPads. Many of them were making of fun of fanboys for believing those products would suceed, then later claim the products are successful only brcause there are so many fanboys. Macrumors is pretty neutral as far as the overall love-hatred go.
I'm pretty excited for these as a worthy competitor.
BUT Surface RT tablets released in October (based on most recent estimate of Win8 release) + 3 months until x86 version?????
So no x86 version until 7 months from now???
Come on MS have more integrity than that
BUT Surface RT tablets released in October (based on most recent estimate of Win8 release) + 3 months until x86 version?????
So no x86 version until 7 months from now???
Come on MS have more integrity than that
If you look at my join date you'll know I've been on this board for a long time. MacRumors is usually pretty good but it does have its share of fanboys just like any other fan centric site.
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Some would argue the iPod was the first "sexy"product. The people on this board cried from the hilltops when the iPod came out. There was nothing new or inventive, it didn't act as a storage device, and it was overpriced for an mp3 player. Instead the iPod was trendy and cool and people wanted it more than any competitor.
The infamous "Mac vs. PC" commercials tried to make the PC look stuffy and boring and make the Mac trendy and fun. Nowhere in these commercials does the Mac guy suddenly say "dude, i have a USB port and firewire". That's not what is important.
Marketing is more than half the battle, and looking "sexy" or "trendy" is the best way to sell product. It has little or nothing to do with any of the things listed earlier. If Microsoft comes out of the gate and says "you can use USB and it has an Intel processor!", it's doomed to fail.
No, I don't want to have sex with the device as you so blindly ask. I just understand that, if poorly advertised, this product may severely underperform.
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Try arguing that to a marketing executive.
When I first fired up Windows 8, I hated it. Thought every new addition was a pain in the ass to work around. The Start menu was crowded, the charms felt spastic, the screen scrolled left to right instead of up and down. It felt like it worked ass backwards compared to...well...everything you've been used to up to this point.
I pretty much panned it right on the spot. The only reason I didn't immediately wipe Win8 off my drive was because I didn't feel like restoring everything back to Windows 7. The desktop still worked well enough, despite all this GOOFY CRAP MS felt like throwing in my face.
Which was kind of a good thing, because...
After a few days, I started getting the feel of it. Learned the ins and outs of Metro, how to organize and categorize the new Start menu, appreciate all the new additions MS added to the desktop, etc, etc, etc. There's all kinds of good stuff in Win8 that's not immediately apparent because you're so shocked after being dunked into the deep end of the Metro pool.
Now, I feel like going back to Windows 7 would be a slight downgrade.
Give it a chance. More than two hours anyway. Metro is so different, it's almost guaranteed to give everyone who tries it a bit of culture shock when you first fire it up. But there are a ton of good reasons MS has forced the switch, and you'll start to realize them the more time you spend in it.
That's the thing. You won't have to use the Surface on a table, either. If you're sitting on your couch, it'll have an onscreen keyboard, same as the iPad. But if you need a keyboard to type some long winded thesis about the history of African pottery, well hey...there go you. It has a keyboard built into the smartscreen. Flip it out and go to town.
Many of us don't play those childish games. Personally I love Apple hardware, hate their software, but spend tons of money with them. At the same time I'm a diehard Windows user, have Win7 installed on my Macbook Air, it's the best of both worlds the best hardware and the best software.
Neither is better, but I like to take products from both of them, I even have an Android phone. People on here talk like they are shareholders and have a financial stake, they defend their camp so faithfully. I think it's great that the ipad has competition now, I can't wait to see how Apple responds.
On MS's Surface website there is this disclaimer at the bottom:
"Images are design renderings and not photographs."
So hardly any specs, no price or release date and the images on their website are computer drawings not photos of a physical object. Talk about Vapor...
"Images are design renderings and not photographs."
So hardly any specs, no price or release date and the images on their website are computer drawings not photos of a physical object. Talk about Vapor...
What a cheesy commercial. However I'm not surprised. Something I'd expect to see from a company like Microsoft. After seeing that commercial it left a bad taste for the product, not like it's anything nice to begin with anyways. The beginning felt like a trailer from a horror movie, reminded me of The Ring. Windows 8, Metro UI? Trash, the thing crashed during the keynote too. Only thing positive that comes out of this is competition for Apple to do better.
Yeah and all those things on stage and in the media area were 3D hologram pictures an stuff. None of it was real.
Apple has never used a rendering of a product on their web site.... ever.
Microsoft's patented process for building products out of magnesium.
According to Microsoft the casing is created by molding metal and depositing particles that creates a finish similar to a luxury watch. Using magnesium, parts can be molded as thin as .65mm. Much thinner than your typical credit card but lighter and stronger.
Someone in the iPad forum posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9JIYHxTxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I think this thing will suckseed.
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Delusional at best.
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Wow stupidest comment ever. Why don't we go back to CRT monitors. Go back to thicker laptops and why not even go back and enjoy fast Ethernet. I'm surprised you didn't say you wanted to see an Ethernet port in this thing.
I'm glad apple doesn't listen to people like you or else you'd have crap like this vapor tablet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9JIYHxTxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I think this thing will suckseed.
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Backwards because Apple says so? You obviously don't know what the public wants. IF this thing is a hit, we'll see what you say what you have to say.
Your analogy honestly sucks. And sometimes IT'S MORE EFFICENT to go back. It's nice to go back sometimes. Or else we would have the Camaro '10......
Delusional at best.
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Backwards because Apple says so? You obviously don't know what the public wants. IF this thing is a hit, we'll see what you say what you have to say.
Your analogy honestly sucks. And sometimes IT'S MORE EFFICENT to go back. It's nice to go back sometimes. Or else we would have the Camaro '10......
Wow stupidest comment ever. Why don't we go back to CRT monitors. Go back to thicker laptops and why not even go back and enjoy fast Ethernet. I'm surprised you didn't say you wanted to see an Ethernet port in this thing.
I'm glad apple doesn't listen to people like you or else you'd have crap like this vapor tablet.
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OLOL SO SLOW WINDOWS IS SO FAT! Wait. On an SSD, Windows 8 boots up from a cold start in 7 seconds, and wakes up from sleep immediately. Not exactly a hellish wait.
Derp.
You know, the eventual future is the inevitable merging of the iPad and the Macbook Air. You know how whole bunches of people chirp on and on about how we're in the Post PC era, and the iPad is the vanguard of the change? Well, how can we be in a Post PC world if you have to rely on at least an Air to do any serious work? How can we be in this whole new world if the iPad has to be squirrelled into it's own little low power niche, while more expensive laptops, which are still selling by the tons, are there for people who want to render a movie or do some real Photoshop work? If we're in a Post PC world, wouldn't we have Post PCs capable of doing all those things?
No, that's dumb. What the hell am I thinking? I'd rather read a webpage on a device that can last 10 hours than make a model on a device that only lasts 6.
...wait. Why am I even replying to you? You haven't posted anything except "OLOL THIS IS DUMB I HATE IT AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR THINKING OTHERWISE DAR DAR DAR" since this thread started. Waste of time.
I'm certain that a large number of the Apple Fanboy army are wealthy people who have sunk all or most of their investment money into Apple stock.
And there are a lot of people on this site who have a lot of money. The $2,199 Retina isn't expensive enough for them, they have to drop at least three grand on theirs and tell the world about it.
I don't fully understand the haters on either side here.
This might compete with the iPad, but I think its going to attract a different kind of user, I think alot of enterprise situations and power users have really been waiting for something like this.
This is literally the first tablet I'm even considering. It looks like it might be useful.
This product I don't think will fail at all, I think its going to attract people who've always wanted the ultra mobility of a tablet, and need the power/keyboard/ Real OS offered on a laptop
Its a hybrid, and a damn good one at that
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a fanboy, if Apple or Samsung or whoever came out with something like this, I'd still be interested.
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I wouldn't mind an Ethernet port, beats the crap out of wifi for data transfer More secure as well.
And my laptop is really thick, and weighs almost 10 pounds, I'd love to see a tablet try to do what it can do lol.
This might compete with the iPad, but I think its going to attract a different kind of user, I think alot of enterprise situations and power users have really been waiting for something like this.
This is literally the first tablet I'm even considering. It looks like it might be useful.
This product I don't think will fail at all, I think its going to attract people who've always wanted the ultra mobility of a tablet, and need the power/keyboard/ Real OS offered on a laptop
Its a hybrid, and a damn good one at that
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a fanboy, if Apple or Samsung or whoever came out with something like this, I'd still be interested.
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Someone in the iPad forum posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9JIYHxTxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I think this thing will suckseed.
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Delusional at best.
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Wow stupidest comment ever. Why don't we go back to CRT monitors. Go back to thicker laptops and why not even go back and enjoy fast Ethernet. I'm surprised you didn't say you wanted to see an Ethernet port in this thing.
I'm glad apple doesn't listen to people like you or else you'd have crap like this vapor tablet.
I wouldn't mind an Ethernet port, beats the crap out of wifi for data transfer
More secure as well.And my laptop is really thick, and weighs almost 10 pounds, I'd love to see a tablet try to do what it can do lol.
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No mouse = no cursorA bloody Trackpad for a tablet!!
but Seriously a Trackpad LMAO
With mouse or trackpad = cursor
I know it's hard to comprehend, because it's unApple to include an OPTIONAL input. If you have seen all the tablet demos, you have noticed the cursor is never shown if a mouse or trackpad is not available.