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How so? A fully blown laptop have more ports, memory, larger screen, full size "real keys" keyboard and ports. In order to make the surface small and portable alot of these things is gone, I understand why, and it's not really a problem, unless you need them. If you do need them then buying a surface or any tablet is a compromise, no?

How did you get to the 90% figure?

If you need a computer that has a ton of ports, supports 16-32GB of memory, and has at least a 15" screen, you're not going to buy a Surface, no. That's not what it's for. You wouldn't want to buy a Macbook Air for that, either.
 
So the consensus here seems to be that the surface is the best thing since sliced bread, and it's not accepted to be skeptical about this yet to be released product. :rolleyes:
 
So the consensus here seems to be that the surface is the best thing since sliced bread, and it's not accepted to be skeptical about this yet to be released product. :rolleyes:

Given the rest of your posts here, in addition to being unable to explain your reasoning despite multiple requests, I'm not surprised you came to that conslusion. It's not accurate, but not surprising considering the source.

The fact that you're getting this much friction on an Apple forum from Apple owners should be pretty telling.
 
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Right. I don't know where he's coming from on this. It's not like any of us have said it's the greatest thing since chocolate was mixed with milk, and will destroy everything in it's march to inevitable glory and greatness or anything.

It's another option. A computer for people who want the power of an ultrabook in tablet form. If you don't understand this very basic of points, then there's no reason to continue on with the discussion. No offense or anything, it's just pointless until you finally wrap your head around that.


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I don't get it. Why is he putting the Windows 8 logo behind the Finnish flag?
 
How so? A fully blown laptop have more ports, memory, larger screen, full size "real keys" keyboard and ports. In order to make the surface small and portable alot of these things is gone, I understand why, and it's not really a problem, unless you need them. If you do need them then buying a surface or any tablet is a compromise, no?

How did you get to the 90% figure?

One model of the Macbook Air has a bigger screen. Both have a lower resolution, and an inferior display. The larger the screen the less portable, and more cumbersome the unit is, reducing its utility. We don't know RAM specs on the Surface Pro yet, and the sdxc port is cool considering the 2tb 300MB/s SD roadmap. It has the same USB3 ports (that obviously you can use hubs with,) no thunderbolt (which is a bit moot as of now... very very few uses, and no serious adoption,) and a mini display port. The keyboard is spaced well, and the Type Cover has keys with travel, and non-blocking, non-ghosting multi-touch accelerometer based keys (the latest and best keyboard tech available.)
 
So the consensus here seems to be that the surface is the best thing since sliced bread, and it's not accepted to be skeptical about this yet to be released product. :rolleyes:

No, its this:

1: I think even for guys like me who own Macs but use PCs much more heavily ( gaming tower for fun, work station for work, mac for daily driving for me ). That microsoft came up with something this different. Its not really a copy of anything, its a total rebirth of the tablet PC.

2: we are skeptical, its a new product.

3: I've been noticing, Apple and PC guys for the most part like this product, it's something new, its different, its a game changer if it works

4: excited well...if its as good as Microsoft says it will be. I'm sold, looks like many others are as well.

5: apple really hasn't changed the iPad at all, or offered anything like this, if the surface does well, it would motivation Apple to makethe iPad better, and that's good for Apple customers
 
For the second time at least. They "kind of " did this for Xbox and Xbox 360, which arguably have been successes. (Although their hardware bungling and frying 360s cost them all their profits for a while). If they are able to do this for the tablet market without the costly mistake, it could go very well for them.

Good point. But that's always been the case for consoles, so I think it was more following the market than anything else. :) but I love my xbox, so even though I have had a critical hardware failure, they repaired it for free, so all is forgiven.

It's just nice to see them take this approach when it comes to tablets and Personal Computing :)

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I stand by my comment. This thread does not represent the usual array of comments I read every day on this forum. Unlike many people here I will reserve my judgement as to whether this device is any good or not until I can see it for myself. I notice there was no price or release date.

Just because you marry hardware and software together doesn't necessarily mean it will be any good. Remember their last attempt - the Zune. What a pile of ***** that was.

I'm by no means an Apple cheerleader, I make my own mind up. However in my experience of Microsoft products over many years I fully anticipate this to be another pile of *****.

As for the Metro UI. It may work well on a tablet but the reviews of the desktop version have been scathing. Thank god I won't have to endure it as I shall be ditching the last of my Windows computers once I can get my hands on the new MBP Retina.

I have no animosity towards Android. I think the Galaxy S series are cracking smartphones.

Hmmm... Zune wasn't all that terrible. :p
 
Laugh all you want, but it was infinitely better than anything Apple had at the time.

You're making an assumption. My lol did not indicate in any way that I thought Apple had anything better. Go back and read some of my posts before you start assuming I'm a fanboy of either platform (ok, maybe a little bit on the MS side since my I make a living supporting their products.)

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Just because you marry hardware and software together doesn't necessarily mean it will be any good. Remember their last attempt - the Zune. What a pile of ***** that was.

I think most people would disagree with you. Zune's UI was far better than anything else out at the time. And the Zune HD was a sweet piece of hardware. MS's mistake at the time was fighting a battle in an empty arena. By the time they were really coming out with a great hardware and software combination, everyone else was focusing on a phone-based platform.
 
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You're making an assumption. My lol was not indicate in any way that Apple had anything better. Go back and read some of my posts before you start assuming I'm a fanboy of either platform (ok, maybe a little bit on the MS side since my I make a living supporting their products.)

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I think most people would disagree with you. Zune's UI was far better than anything else out at the time. And the Zune HD was a sweet piece of hardware. MS's mistake at the time was fighting a battle in an empty arena. By the time they were really coming out with a great hardware and software combination, everyone else was focusing on a phone-based platform.
What is interesting to see is that MS basically has gone 'all in' with Metro, which started its life as the UI for the Zune...
 
I won Zune once at a bar contest and told them I'd rather eat nachos that fell on the floor in a pile of vomit instead of owning one. Needless to say had my friend take it home. She said the audio quality was clearer and better than what Apple offered.
 
If you must know why there's so many versions of Windows, it's because they cater to end users like yourself, small businesses, and fortune 500 companies. Do you really think that someone like yourself wants a full active sync control panel on their desktop? Likewise, a server that's optimized for database speed doesn't need Windows Media Center. Different strokes for different folks you might say.

It's not catering; it's money grubbing. Windows should be 1 version and cost way less.
 
Profit margin for Windows is 81%; don't let the point stab you in the eye. ;)

Hardly. Profits for Windows is more like 99.9%. The cost of shipping a DVD is negligable. If you're talking about the Windows division within Microsoft, you need to include Windows Live services in it, too.

As of their reports for 2011, there's a server and tools division that has a 4.77bn income. Compared to their Windows division which took in 4.74bn. If you seriously want Microsoft to give their server + tools away for free, they'd lose almost 25% of the company's income.
 
Hardly. Profits for Windows is more like 99.9%. The cost of shipping a DVD is negligable. If you're talking about the Windows division within Microsoft, you need to include Windows Live services in it, too.

As of their reports for 2011, there's a server and tools division that has a 4.77bn income. Compared to their Windows division which took in 4.74bn. If you seriously want Microsoft to give their server + tools away for free, they'd lose almost 25% of the company's income.

You can't really look at something like a Windows license and determine profit margin because it has no manufacturing cost. If someone buys an upgrade license, that particular one has 100% profit margin. But the real way to evaluate things is in terms of divisions.

Windows
Business
Server & Tools
Entertainment + Devices
Online

Online is the one consistently losing money as Microsoft is ramping up datacenters at a prodigious rate, although it seems they will finally reach break even in 2-3 quarters there. It's the first 3 that are the cash cows of the company. E+D has been profitable in the last 2-3 years but not consistently so and not as massive.
 
Profit margin for Windows is 81%; don't let the point stab you in the eye. ;)

Apple rolls the cost of its OS development into its hardware. Their hardware is not competitive especially when you consider the phantom OS upcharge.

Considering that, Microsoft is competitively priced or a bargain, really. When you visit an android vs iphone thread, 90% of the responses are dry humping Apple's profit margin. You can't have it both ways... profits are either understandable or undesirable.

I have no issues with Windows 7 licensing. I think the cost is inconsequential considering the use I get out of it, and as far server product costs, if you can't make profits including server licensing, you're doing it wrong.
 
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Hardly. Profits for Windows is more like 99.9%. The cost of shipping a DVD is negligable. If you're talking about the Windows division within Microsoft, you need to include Windows Live services in it, too.

As of their reports for 2011, there's a server and tools division that has a 4.77bn income. Compared to their Windows division which took in 4.74bn. If you seriously want Microsoft to give their server + tools away for free, they'd lose almost 25% of the company's income.

I just looked it up u r wrong, but if you already know EVERYTHING then why are you trollin a forum?
 
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