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Microsoft Announces Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2

Anti-Lucifer said:
Come back in 6 months time and re-read my response here:

1) Way too expensive for a "competing" device against the iPad. $449 should've been $229.

2) Nvidia components; it's not gonna be even competitive against the A7X

3) 1080 resolution 16:9 aspect ratio; DOA.

4) Microsoft Surface name - the failure stigma.

5) When the iPad mini 2 w/retina and iPad 5 w/A7X debuts, no one will want to buy a surface 2.

I don't care what you say about the iPad being a toy, a facebook device, whatever you name it - one thing is for sure: the apps that are on the ipad and the hardware itself just blows away everything for the past 4 years.

This surface 2 is just a rehash of the surface 1. If you want to seriously compete, do not name it Microsoft Surface, do not make 16:9, do not market it as an Office device. For f'sake, people want an iPad to NOT DO WORK even though it is fully capable of doing real work.

This is no doubt Steve Ballmer's road map to success. Dump more money into a 2nd generation device when the 1st one is a total failure. Makes logical sense :rolleyes:
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1) So they should have lost money on it? I can agree the price should be a little lower, but still... no company should really price a product to lose them money.
2) So now specs matter, when it's the iOS device that's ahead. If it's an Android phone that defeats the iPhone, suddenly specs won't matter the experience will. For the record, specs never matter.
3) 16:9 is a good aspect ratio for doing things like watching video and surfing the internet.
4) Most people never heard of a Surface.
5) Different markets with the mini 2, though I doubt it will be retina. As for the iPad 5, different strokes for different folks. They're two separate products being aimed at slightly different markets.

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Anti-Lucifer said:
you're almost right though - it's not called niche, it's called amateur work
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And why do you say that?
 
Michael Goff said:
3) 16:9 is a good aspect ratio for doing things like watching video and surfing the internet.
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This is the only point I disagree with you on. 16:9 is great for some things, but surfing the internet isn't one of them. The best pure internet surfing device is actually the iPad in portrait. It gives you tons of page space, while still being easy to read.

And why do you say that?
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And your other mistake is expecting an answer out of him beyond "olol cuz it's dumb no one uses a tablet for that". :p
 
Renzatic said:
This is the only point I disagree with you on. 16:9 is great for some things, but surfing the internet isn't one of them. The best pure internet surfing device is actually the iPad in portrait. It gives you tons of page space, while still being easy to read.



And your other mistake is expecting an answer out of him beyond "olol cuz it's dumb no one uses a tablet for that". :p
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I never liked holding my iPad up in portrait. I don't even hold my iPad most of the time when I'm playing games, I use the stand that came with my wedge keyboard to prop it up. :D

Also, I generally browse in landscape.
 
This will fail until it gets unanchored to Wi-Fi and picks up LTE. When it gets LTE, it has a potential to compete.
 
Michael Goff said:
1) So they should have lost money on it? I can agree the price should be a little lower, but still... no company should really price a product to lose them money.
2) So now specs matter, when it's the iOS device that's ahead. If it's an Android phone that defeats the iPhone, suddenly specs won't matter the experience will. For the record, specs never matter.
3) 16:9 is a good aspect ratio for doing things like watching video and surfing the internet.
4) Most people never heard of a Surface.
5) Different markets with the mini 2, though I doubt it will be retina. As for the iPad 5, different strokes for different folks. They're two separate products being aimed at slightly different markets.

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1) You want to gain marketshare, you are late to the game, yet you have a pathetic list of apps. You also charge devs 70/30 split ratio just like apple. You ain't apple. So don't expect people to jump on in. Chicken or Egg problem.

2) Specs don't matter but you know what? Apple makes it rain with their hardware and software. The difference is android likes to pat themselves on the back listing out specs and features that no one uses.

3) You obviously do not use the internet much on a tablet. That's why you think 16:9 is comparable. For the videos/youtube, it's outstanding.

4) Most people never heard of a surface because it's just a piece of dung. Most people don't even bother walking into a complete copy cat microsoft store either. Be original, the name of a device called Surface means exactly what? Billions can understand an "i"Pad.

5) iPad defined the genre. Ipad mini 2 will have retina. How do I know? I don't but I'm not also not as stupid as microsoft with their surface 2 debut. Anyone with half a brain can see this surface 2 is DOA.

And why do you say that
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Amateurs do exactly that kind of stuff. Shoot in the field and edit in a car. Pathetic even with a surface pro. Get out a laptop for real work. The surface pro isn't a device good enough to do any real work vs. a laptop.
 
osofast240sx said:
Microsoft seem to think they are competing in the same field. The bottom line the masses are moving away from windows.
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Let me guess... you're one of those people that thinks a large number of people are throwing out their laptops and desktop to use a tiny smartphone screen or a tablet? You think people don't have multiple devices, using the more portable ones when it makes more sense?

POST-PC IS A MYTH.
 
Not convinced that a spec bump is what was holding the original Surface back, but hey it's Microsoft. They love to float unpopular electronics along (Zune, WinMo, etc) in the hope that after a while it will stick (Xbox). Good luck on their latest gamble.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
Amateurs do exactly that kind of stuff. Shoot in the field and edit in a car. Pathetic even with a surface pro. Get out a laptop for real work. The surface pro isn't a device good enough to do any real work vs. a laptop.
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And the difference between a laptop and the Surface Pro is...
 
That totally misses my point ....

Yes, Microsoft tried a "tablet PC" first. But so what? The "pen computing" concept never caught on. Unlike the iPad, it didn't have anything like a capacitive touch interface. At best, you got a simple resistive touch-screen that couldn't do multi-touch at all. And you did it all on top of an older version of Windows that used the pen just like a mouse unless you ran specific apps that used some bolted on software to let you draw with it.

I think the industry accepts that the iPad was a truly new way to approach the whole idea, and one that made it commercially viable.


Dr McKay said:
Yeah Microsoft just copied the iPad. If it wasn't for Apple, Microsoft would have never tried to put a desktop OS on a tablet.

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Morons I swear. I wish they threw Ballmer out before they had a surface 2 strategy. RT continues to be junk, they cannot out ipad the ipad with RT, it still confuses consumers, especially now that they are dropping the "RT", and they lose their key advantage, legacy programs.

The surface Pro 2 is better news, although still not what I wanted to hear. It's still as thick and heavy as the Pro 1, but at least it should have better battery life. Still, MS missed the boat IMO by not releasing an Atom powered surface, namely Baytrail which is getting pretty great reviews in power, graphics, battery life, etc. Baytrail is the key to competing with the ipad IMO, and MS is squandering it, shame.

What an odd company, to keep making such mistakes, not learning from them and continuing to make them.
 
Ford learned its lesson with the Edsel and didn't bring out Edsel 2. MS however does not see the writing on the wall.

"...The Edsel was introduced amid considerable publicity on "E Day"—September 4, 1957. It was also promoted by a top-rated television special, The Edsel Show, on October 13, but the promotional effort was not enough to counter the adverse initial public reaction to the car's styling and conventional build. For months, Ford had been telling the industry press that it "knew" (through its market research) that there would be great demand for the vehicle. Ford also insisted that, in the Edsel, it had built exactly the "entirely new kind of car" that Ford had been leading the buying public to expect through its pre-introduction publicity campaign for the car..."

Sounds familiar
 
Michael Goff said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I never liked holding my iPad up in portrait. I don't even hold my iPad most of the time when I'm playing games, I use the stand that came with my wedge keyboard to prop it up. :D

Also, I generally browse in landscape.
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Dude, why? NOOO! :(

Portrait mode is one of the reasons why I just can't quite leave my iPad.

Also, as much as everyone hates a know-it-all...

Amateurs do exactly that kind of stuff. Shoot in the field and edit in a car. Pathetic even with a surface pro. Get out a laptop for real work. The surface pro isn't a device good enough to do any real work vs. a laptop.
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Told you that's what he was gonna say. :p
 
Michael Goff said:
I assume you use your laptop in portrait mode while you're at it, right? :rolleyes:
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No you seem to not want to listen: 16:9 is pathetic for web browsing on a tablet.

I have a 16:10 screen and that's actually way better than 16:9. And yes, there are times I need portrait orientation on my external IPS screen which I rotate vertically position.

Stick with your 16:9 - you will be the only fool microsoft steals money from. The rest of the world will buy an ipad.
 
Renzatic said:
Dude, why? NOOO! :(

Portrait mode is one of the reasons why I just can't quite leave my iPad.

Also, as much as everyone hates a know-it-all...



Told you that's what he was gonna say. :p
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> What'd I say? I'm not saying you have to browse in landscape on a 16:9 device, just that I do. Actually, when you think about it... 16:9 is more of a landscape aspect ratio and 4:3 is great for portrait. It's why 16:9 isn't as good for phones when compared to 4:3.

Also, you did call it.
 
Michael Goff said:
And the difference between a laptop and the Surface Pro is...
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Huge difference - people buy laptops - no one will buy a surface pro 1 or 2. Give it up already you are so evangelic for Microsoft, why don't you hop over to that forum and brag more about the surface 2 :rolleyes:
 
i'm shocked they refreshed the RT considering what a collosal failure the first RT was (they had to write off 1 billion dollar loss or something)
 
Gotta hand it out to the guys at Microsoft. They failed with the 1st generation and now plan to roll out the 2nd gen. Somebody's taken the "Try try until you succeed" quote way too seriously!
 
FrozenDarkness said:
i'm shocked they refreshed the RT considering what a collosal failure the first RT was (they had to write off 1 billion dollar loss or something)
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Microsoft is the only company in the world that throws money in the toilet. Why do you think their CEO is fired?
 
Michael Goff said:
Let me guess... you're one of those people that thinks a large number of people are throwing out their laptops and desktop to use a tiny smartphone screen or a tablet? You think people don't have multiple devices, using the more portable ones when it makes more sense?

POST-PC IS A MYTH.
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People are firing up PC's most of the time because they literally have to, not because they want to.

That's a problem for the pc industry, easily reflected in PC sales compared to something like the iPad.
 
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