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The surface pro (2) is actually a great device
For students - specially for those who need to draw (design engineering etc).

I don't think it's that bad of a device

Honestly, most of the people in the design field (myself included) are more intrigued by the Wacom Cintiq Companion.
 
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Its awesome for students which IMO should be who the surface rt appeals too. Cheap but does everything a student needs. At least non science or engineering degrees

So does an iPad, particularly if you exclude the same groups. So what makes this new Surface so whiz bang that students should pick it over an iPad or even a Galaxy anything. What do those performance upgrades work out to in real numbers and how do those numbers compare to the other players.

It seems like the answer is that it comes with Office but that doesn't seem like much of a winning point with all the perfectly serviceable clones out there etc. It has a kickstand with two positions. Okay yeah that is a real winner. It has three keyboards you can pay more to add. The others work just fine with any BT keyboard. It has a remix cover. How is that really better than the dozen or more options on iOS and Android.
 
A good 80% is by force. If given a choice the number would be quite different

I love this excuse. It's like MS hires a bunch of armed thugs to go to a bunch of Best Buy's and force people at gunpoint to buy Windows PCs.

"I wanted a Mac, but I didn't have a choice. THEY WERE GOING TO BREAK MY LEGS"!

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Honestly, most of the people in the design field (myself included) are more intrigued by the rumored Wacom Cintiq Companion.

You're talking about Wacom's tablets, right? They're not rumored. They're coming.
 
Windows XP had its bugs in the early 2000's, it was a radical upgrade, but with various Service Packs (particularily SP2 and beyond) became the gold standard for most fortune 500 companies. Forget average Joe at his home, millions of employees, to this day, use Windows XP at work. I'm sorry, it can't be 'terrible' security wise if it's still the world's most popular OS, 12 years later. If there is one thing Balmer did right at Microsoft, it's XP, followed by 7.

The cloud is promising, but for serious productivity, no, Office still has the advantage. I don't talk about a colorful excel sheet; I'm talking about Micros, VBA, and other advanced features that quite frankly are leaps and bounds over anything Google or Apple offer.

There are few flaws with your post here. Firstly, MS Windows XP or any version of Windows isn't "the world's most popular operating system". It's the most used. Don't confuse the two. Also did you notice that you said "millions of employees to this day use XP at work?" Right, because they have an I.T. department that runs and maintains the upkeep of the system in the background. The employees aren't doing crap on the system but reading emails, running spread sheets or running any proprietary software.
And you have so much to defend MS for against Apple and Google. Why are here? Just curious? I run an insurance office where we do nothing but paperwork, presentations and such and while MS office is "used", we don't highly depend upon it. Do you actually use Office for business or are you spouting theories? I use it real world and it's relevance is becoming lesser and lesser. And I'm not sure why you thought Ballmer had much to do with XP. Gates was around at the time.
 
As someone who is old enough to have seen the whole MS vs Apple battle for the desktop, this is truly a mirror reflection of that.

Just like Apple before, no one will give the underdog (now MS), any consideration when buying a tablet or phone. And while they have a decent product in the Surface and Windows 8, no one wants to jump on board a platform with a single digit market share.

As someone who is old enough to have seen the MS vs Apple battle for the desktop, I'd have to say you are totally off base. This isn't similar at all. Maybe a slight similarity if MS = OS/2, but certainly not = Apple.
 
I love this excuse. It's like MS hires a bunch of armed thugs to go to a bunch of Best Buy's and force people at gunpoint to buy Windows PCs.

"I wanted a Mac, but I didn't have a choice. THEY WERE GOING TO BREAK MY LEGS"!

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You're talking about Wacom's tablets, right? They're not rumored. They're coming.
By force I mean MS desktops are provided at work. Again iOS and andriod is a breath of fresh air. The escape from windows. What MS needs is a great mobile platform.
 
Apple announced the 5S ten days (as usual) before launch. I got mine today, via UPS. Is there a delay? Of course, and it was expected!

Microsoft announcing a product a month before launch---a product hardly anyone cares about but Ballmer---(did you see Microsoft is buying up used iPads? Yeah, they are...)

I'm no fanboy--I enjoy my new 5S as much as my sweet stock Android Nexus 4; though customization aside, I'll admit I like 5S better, but I look forward to Nexus 5.

Chill out with "you people" -style rhetoric. It only goes to show you're either new here, you're a Microsoft troll, or you're completely missing the point of consumer demand. Microsoft as a hardware company is/has/will failing/failed/fail. Let them! It's just nice to watch from this angle.


Can you imagine if, god forbid, Apple did this?! Thankfully the 5s delivery dates are just a joke, they're actually on next day delivery.

You people. I like Apple products and all, but you support the company in the same way someone might support a family member. It's intense.
 
Can you imagine if, god forbid, Apple did this?! Thankfully the 5s delivery dates are just a joke, they're actually on next day delivery.

For some models yes.

But there is a huge difference between waiting a month between announcement and first delivery, especially when your biggest competitor is rumored to be announcing their new update in the in between time (which could cause some of your pre orders to be cancelled). And having a delivery time of up to a month on an item that has been released due to demand issues. Sure folks are pissed that they might have to wait a month for their precious good colored iPhone 5 but they are still placing the orders.

By comparison, how many folks knowing full well they will absolutely not get their Surface before a month from now, if not even later, are placing orders versus waiting to see what Apple announces and then jumping into whatever they pick
 
But there is a huge difference between waiting a month between announcement and first delivery, especially when your biggest competitor is rumored to be announcing their new update in the in between time (which could cause some of your pre orders to be cancelled).

Honestly, if Apple were to release an iPad with a stylus digitizer, that'd dull a good bit of the appeal of the Surface Pro for me.

Course you'd still need the software to take full advantage of it, and to get that software, you'd need more ram, so it's not something that'd change overnight. But it would be a first step.

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So what's your number 50%?

Hell if I know. On a guess, I'd say about 30%.
 
Really, I think having pre-orders for the Surface either:

1) Makes them feel important and valued
2) The 1-month delay gives them time to make the few thousand or so that they'll need to ship.

It's actually a good idea, so they have some excitement
 
Considering I just received mine by UPS today, 3 days.

Or longer. He asked 'in a shop'. For all we know the next batch of gold units will be us to fulfill confirmed online orders placed Friday-Sunday with shops only getting anything that is left over, if there are any. After all, the online orders already have money in the system unlike the stores which are a gamble on which models will be wanted at any particular place.

It's a bit of a pity that we can't do personal pickups on items not yet at the store for the iPhones yet. It can be done for other items and folks might be okay with continuing the order even with an expected wait of a couple of weeks.
 
Isn't Mac Rumors supposed to bring news about MAC?

I guess I don't understand the rationale for people to keep making comments like this.

If people don't like what the owners and editors of THEIR website report on, then there are other sites for readers to choose from.

"MacRumors attracts a broad audience of both consumers and professionals interested in the latest technologies and products." No mention that everything they report on must be related to a Mac.

By the way, the New York Times reports on news that doesn't specifically relate to New York. Just an FYI.
 
I'll pick up the new Surface once the price drops to $79 (should be in two weeks) and use it as a kick stand for my iPad. :D
 
losing the plot...

Hi,

I believe that Microsoft are jealous of how well Apple has done over the years, so they are trying to copy in the hope it will put them back at the top :D

Apple has its iPad that sells very well, Microsoft design something similar that doesn't. Apple has its iPhone that also sells well, Microsoft purchase Nokia which also doesn't do well.

At least Apple is original.
 
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