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Microsoft Announces Surface Book i7, Desktop PC 'Surface Studio,' and Windows 10 Creators Update

ashdelacroix said:
You can't appreciate how similar those designs are? Seriously? Factor in the whole history of PC design and see how the iMac feeds directly into the Studio. This is not about the differences you perceive between the designs, but the substantial similarities that point to Apple as the progenitor of the design language involved here.
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I agree with @LordVic How is MS supposed to design a big screen? There are only so many ways to present that.

Does the iMac tilt? No. Does the iMac have the computer built into the base? No. Doe the iMac have two support stands? No.

They are NOT similar in anything other than have a big screen.
 
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aUniqueName said:
I don't know if that is true, but the Surface Pro and Surface Book certainly crash and glitch out more than most hardware on the market right now...
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I'm a long time MBP user and just recently switched to the Surface Book for my primary work laptop (IT Consulting). I'm not experiencing any crashes or glitches. The Surface Book runs like a champ! I think there were some growing pains when they were first announced last year (ie Driver issues). However, these seem to have all been ironed out. I'm running the Anniversary edition of Win 10 and all is great.

Microsoft is doing some really innovative things with the Surface line and they seem to be pricing them accordingly. The prices on the Surface Book released last year are finally starting to break however....I got a fantastic deal on mine. I'll likely hold on to it for a year or two...until I see another great deal on an updated model.
 
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ashdelacroix said:
You can't appreciate how similar those designs are? Seriously? Factor in the whole history of PC design and see how the iMac feeds directly into the Studio. This is not about the differences you perceive between the designs, but the substantial similarities that point to Apple as the progenitor of the design language involved here.
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Are you really saying that anyone who puts a display on an all-in-one is copying apple?

This... this logic... is so asinine.

it's literally a box, with a stand, and a very minimal display on a hinge.

that very different than Apple's product offerings. And claiming because it's an "all in one" that it's copying design? no. Sir, You are absolutely drinking the Kool-aid.

its like saying that any modern car is a copy of the Fore Model T because it has 4 wheels, seats and an engine.
 
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Traverse said:
But I'm sure most current consumer will be less annoyed at no USB-C than no USB-A. I would think one USB-C could have made it on there, but I doubt sales will suffer at all.

No consumer is going to say "no USB-C port!? NO sale!" right now.
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We are talking about a pro machine here. Regular consumer will not be willing to pay for a $3000 desktop. USB-C can also mean Thunderbolt. On the Surface Studio, your fastest external connectivity is just USB3. And not only that, a pro "desktop" with just a single notebook GPU? Come on. Microsoft is positioning this as a "pro" machine.
 
I do like the Microsoft the Surface line including the Studio.. Of course the Studio is too expensive and somehow do those Microsoft products lack the X factor. Let's see tomorrow what Apple will bring to the marketplace..
 
StarkerMann said:
Sadly, agree 100%. Can macOS be "Hackint0shed" on this hardware? They do use Intel processors? Ironic, buying non-Apple systems to install an Apple OS. That states a lot about Apple's [lack of] innovation.
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It all depends on the components being used, such as the GPU
 
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If the Surface Studio is going to have a computer section as big as a notebook lying flat on the desktop...

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...then why would you not want it to be a full notebook computer that you can carry away with you?

They could have had the same beautiful 28" screen and lovely tilting mount as a freestanding monitor.
 
LordVic said:
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Surface Studio:
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cause yes. Those are sooooo similar.

Keep drinking the kool-aid
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Um... Aluminum bodied glass slab suspended over a minimalist base. Yes, the Studio hunkers down for drawing, that's kinda it's signature selling-point. But otherwise, they do look pretty similar. And this comparison shows that pretty clearly.
 
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Bizarro World:
Imagine you are a visitor touring IBM. As you walk through the offices you see hundreds of people working on iMac's and over in the corner there are a couple of Microsoft Surface Studios. Your tour guide explains that there are a few systems that are used by the creative staff.
 
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maflynn said:
The Surface Studio is one gorgeous computer, its very apple like in its elegant lines and function. My iMac with the giant bezels and large chin feels so old and outdated.
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Gorgeous...and powered by Windows 10=not gorgeous. If I had known how easily swayed people in this forum would be by sexy lines I'd have worked harder at being a bikini model.
 
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ok having watched the video very impressive. Easy transition from desktop where touch is useless to giant tablet where touch is awesome given mechanism. Very nice. Impressive and likely worth the cost.
 
pika2000 said:
We are talking about a pro machine here. Regular consumer will not be willing to pay for a $3000 desktop. USB-C can also mean Thunderbolt. On the Surface Studio, your fastest external connectivity is just USB3. And not only that, a pro "desktop" with just a single notebook GPU? Come on. Microsoft is positioning this as a "pro" machine.
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What "pro" devices use USB-C right now?
 
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The design isn't that great if you're familiar with how creative pros tend to use Wacom products: on a swing-arm, which gives a wide variety of positioning and angle choices. If you don't like the built-in angles/positioning for this, then you're not going to buy it for that reason alone.
 
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One word: Innovation.

Microsoft is creative like hell. Apple recycles the same products with small enhancements (iPhone 7) -- or copies MS (iPad Pro). I still don't think their overall user experience is on par with Apple, but innovation counts. I'm still with Apple, but getting closer to the fence.
 
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The Surface Studio sounds interesting, but I wonder how useful the tilt function will actually be in daily use and whether it's worth the premium. Apple patented this idea 7 years ago but clearly haven't seen the value of it in their labs to release it. Maybe if there's demand for Studio they'll change their minds.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html

I still don't get the Surface Book... that awful hinge and the detachable screen for those times when you absolutely need a semi-tablet for a couple of hours and paying through the nose for it?
 
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You put it so well. I had a similar thought when I read that it was aimed at "creatives."

ABCDEF-Hex said:
Bizarro World:
Imagine you are a visitor touring IBM. As you walk through the offices you see hundreds of people working on iMac's and over in the corner there are a couple of Microsoft Surface Studios. Your tour guide explains that there are a few systems that are used by the creative staff.
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maflynn said:
The Surface Studio is one gorgeous computer, its very apple like in its elegant lines and function. My iMac with the giant bezels and large chin feels so old and outdated.

Microsoft is swinging for the fences and its shows, where as I feel Apple is complacent - I hope at least I'm wrong and tomorrow's event will surprise me
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Exactly how I feel.
 
gnipgnop said:
The design isn't that great if you're familiar with how creative pros tend to use Wacom products: on a swing-arm, which gives a wide variety of positioning and angle choices. If you don't like the built-in angles/positioning for this, then you're not going to buy it for that reason alone.
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That's a super good point that I had forgotten about.
 
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