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[KnightWRX]

That's OK. Not everyone understands programming and why .NET is excellent.

Maybe it's excellent, but it's a blatant copy of Java (framework that provides many APIs for different features of the underlying OS/hardware + pseudo compiled code that runs inside a virtual machine) so it lacks the creativity angle.

And Java wasn't even creative to begin with.

 

[kdarling]

Maybe it's excellent, but it's a blatant copy of Java ...

Every computing "thing" on the planet is a copy of something since the early 1970s

Anyway, I'd say that most common managed runtimes are derived from the original Pascal p-code machine.

I like that with .net, you can write in different high-level languages and use the common runtime and libraries. It's great for beginners to pros.

There's even a port of .net to the iPhone, which lets you write code in C#.

Sure wish Apple still believed in giving normal users programming power (think Hypercard on the iPhone). But they forbid interpreted code.

 

[(L)]

You say that Putting the quotes on top is: "...not even a matter of preference - it's a matter of following suit."

Let me introduce myself - I'm not someone who follows suit. I began my design career in print when letterpress machines were still in common use. I watched men set type in the old fashioned way. It was as much art as it was science and labour. Everything we have done for us today by the computer, we owe to these men and those who went before them.

Do you stop at red lights?
Do you wear a black tie to a funeral?
Let me introduce myself - I'm a person who recognizes that there are times when it's better to follow suit and other times when it's better to be original. I also couldn't give a flying **** about your career or to whom we owe font design.

When you read a book, the reference material is placed at the back [English tradition], or at the bottom of the page [American tradition], often in an italicised font a point size smaller than the body text. Now, that's the original convention.

You're not quite getting it right, but yes, endnotes and footnotes exist as conventions in (esp. scholarly) written texts or essays. However, notably the writer using endnotes/footnotes is typically not directly responding to what is being referenced. That's the key difference here. It's cute that you see some connections, but not every convention is the applicable convention.

So, just because some people have seen fit to bastardise the arrangement, and trash the print originated conventions in favour of one that suits the mentality that also condones the lax attention to punctuation and grammar, does not mean we all have to be "following suit".

Enough with the non-sequiturs! Hahaha... Seriously, have a look around Internet forums, and you'll see why it doesn't work like endnotes. I hate the lax attention to punctuation and grammar too, but grammar and punctuation exist to clearly express thoughts to the reader. Again, putting the response before the quote is not considerate to the reader. If anything, your careless ignorance for what is easier on the reader shows a similar mentality to that of illiterate punk kids who can't be bothered with spelling/grammar.

Again, it's really not that hard! Well, it is for you, but not for me.

 

[MorphingDragon]

That's OK. Not everyone understands programming and why .NET is excellent.

.Net may be good interpretation of the Java APIs but most .Net apps I come across are unnecessary bloated and the company forever is locked into one solution.

Go Figure

I suppose Cocoa isnt any better.

 

[AidenShaw]

.....most .Net apps I come across are unnecessary bloated and the company forever is locked into one solution.

Sounds like Itunes, but I don't think that Itunes uses .NET...

 

[MorphingDragon]

Sounds like Itunes, but I don't think that Itunes uses .NET...

^^ Read my edit.

 

[AidenShaw]

^^ Read my edit.

LOL

 

[MorphingDragon]

LOL

Heh

 

[Wikinerd]

Every computing "thing" on the planet is a copy of something since the early 1970s

To some extent, yes, but Java was created with a slightly different idea in mind; write once, run anywhere.

And .NET supposedly copied that (If I read his post correctly)

(Just clarifying his point... I don't really have a good idea of how .NET works/is used, thus unable to judge whether it's a "ripoff" of Java or not..)

.Net may be good interpretation of the Java APIs but most .Net apps I come across are unnecessary bloated and the company forever is locked into one solution.

Go Figure

I suppose Cocoa isnt any better.

I'm sorry for not following, but I thought .Net is a Framework/VM while Cocoa is an API,... How can they be compared?

It's like DirectX compared to Java?

 

[AidenShaw]

I'm sorry for not following, but I thought .Net is a Framework/VM while Cocoa is an API,... How can they be compared?

Is a "Framework" not an "API"?

To the programmer, they are both a big set of methods and classes used to accomplish something. Whether there's a VM hidden inside isn't a critical distinction.

For .NET and Cocoa, the similarity would be that both tie you to the implementation and make it harder to make portable code.

 

[G58]

It's the other way

Sun, a ship that leaked from the top!

Surely a great lesson in how not to remain a major player, and a large clue to where Bill get his other ideas from!

Sun Microsystems: Just acquired by Oracle for $7.4 billion after losing 80% of its value in 2007.

5th option in a Google search for 'sun'!

Legacy: Told the world how things would be, but failed to do any of it.


"You want it to be one way ... but it's the other way"
Marlo Stansfield

His video, using the pinch gesture in a 1992 project when he was working at Sun, is here.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Is a "Framework" not an "API"?

To the programmer, they are both a big set of methods and classes used to accomplish something. Whether there's a VM hidden inside isn't a critical distinction.

For .NET and Cocoa, the similarity would be that both tie you to the implementation and make it harder to make portable code.

It can be argued that Direct X locks you in.

And Yes, the difference between an API and a Framework is neglible.

 

[G58]

Beware the accountants

Silverlight is just an Adobe spoiler that's already caused California and several other U.S. states to ask a District Judge to extend most of Microsoft's antitrust case settlement for another five years, citing "a number of concerns, including the fear that Microsoft could use the next version of Windows to 'tilt the playing field' toward Silverlight, its new Adobe Flash competitor," says a Seattle Post-Intelligencer article. [Source: Witipedia]

AD?? WTF is that?

Actually, supporting operating systems for more than two years is the complete opposite of creativity, because it negates the necessity to innovate or be creative in any way. Actually it's an accounting solution. And when the accountants are running the company, we all know what happens to innovation and creativity.

The only positive effect of continuing to sell old stuff beyond its natural usefulness, is that the company selling it reaps greater profit from the original development. In reality everything in that market stands still, creatively.

Surface?

Silverlight?

AD?

Actually supporting operating systems for more than two years?

But - you don't want to hear that, so I expect some knee-jerk comments about something irrelevant.

 

[layte]

Seems like Google (gears) and Adobe think Silverlight could be a valid competitor (it certainly gives flash a deserved kicking). Which US state are those two companies based? Given my experiences of Flash on OS X, I wouldn't shed a singer tear if it died a fiery death in the face of any competition.
Also, it takes something special to twist long term software support into a negative.

Yea boo hoo, but lots of people like a bit of stability, especially corporations.

Silverlight is just an Adobe spoiler that's already caused California and several other U.S. states to ask a District Judge to extend most of Microsoft's antitrust case settlement for another five years, citing "a number of concerns, including the fear that Microsoft could use the next version of Windows to 'tilt the playing field' toward Silverlight, its new Adobe Flash competitor," says a Seattle Post-Intelligencer article. [Source: Witipedia]

AD?? WTF is that?

Actually, supporting operating systems for more than two years is the complete opposite of creativity, because it negates the necessity to innovate or be creative in any way. Actually it's an accounting solution. And when the accountants are running the company, we all know what happens to innovation and creativity.

The only positive effect of continuing to sell old stuff beyond its natural usefulness, is that the company selling it reaps greater profit from the original development. In reality everything in that market stands still, creatively.

 

[LagunaSol]

Also, it takes something special to twist long term software support into a negative.

It also takes something special to define long term software support as "creativity," which is exactly what AidenShaw laughably tried to do - causing the point of contention.

I guess there's such a dearth of creativity at Microsoft that its apologists will use practically anything to define it.