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Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads

The sad part here is that MS is somewhat right. I'm a long time iWork user and eagerly downloaded the desktop update. Big mistake. 50% of it's formerly great functionality has been stripped out for parity to iOS and iCloud. As such, iWork as a competitor to Office on the desktop is no more. Check out Apple's iWork forums for rants. It's really sad. Luckily, I was able to restore the previous iWork apps and never deleted iWork '09.
 
cmwade77 said:
Huh? Have they never tried any of the iWork software? It can save to word format and read from it, so I don't see this as the issue they are making it out to be.

Also, you can save to iCloud and people with a PC can edit the files just like they were behind a Mac.

So, I don't understand this, "They can't share" bit.
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Have they fixed the problem where you Pages doesn't actually save anything that isn't .Pages? I know you can export, but I was wondering if you found a way to get it to have an up-to-date version of your .docx file without having to make another, another, and another duplicate as you have to export it any time you want it saved.

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Rbuday said:
The sad part here is that MS is somewhat right. I'm a long time iWork user and eagerly downloaded the desktop update. Big mistake. 50% of it's formerly great functionality has been stripped out for parity to iOS and iCloud. As such, iWork as a competitor to Office on the desktop is no more. Check out Apple's iWork forums for rants. It's really sad. Luckily, I was able to restore the previous iWork apps and never deleted iWork '09.
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Let's be real, iWork was barely ever an Office competitor.
 
blahblah100 said:
Market share only matters if Apple's is higher... c'mon, everyone knows that...:rolleyes:
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Sure, but look at iOS and Android tablet share combined. Both Apple & Google are pushing free alternatives to Office365 etc. For the occasional letter, CV etc, a combination of a tablet and/or cloud word processor is more than sufficient. This move probably gives another very hard and painful kick to the Office365 subscription model. That isn't good news for Microsoft.
 
Moccasin said:
Sure, but look at iOS and Android tablet share combined. Both Apple & Google are pushing free alternatives to Office365 etc. For the occasional letter, CV etc, a combination of a tablet and/or cloud word processor is more than sufficient. This move probably gives another very hard and painful kick to the Office365 subscription model. That isn't good news for Microsoft.
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And yet, for all that, Office is still the king.
 
djtech42 said:
"The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet."

HAHAHAHAHA WHAT! They can't be serious.
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If anything the reality distortion is up in Redmond. Their PC monopoly is becoming irrelevant. The next is their Office Suite monopoly.

More and more office apps like word processing, spreadsheets, project planning and slideshows are approaching open formats to operate on the web and on mobile devices. Some portals are rejecting their updated formats instructing the user to export to an open format.

When they start shipping their Surface tablets without SecureBoot so third party OS installs run without a hardware modification, I'll consider them.
 
MacRumors said:
Following a series of price cuts, Microsoft revealed that its Surface lineup had earned just $853 million for the company...
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No, it hasn't earned $853 million. It produced $853 million of revenue. That's a totally different thing.
 
trip1ex said:
Problem is you can get an iPad and a Windows laptop for the price of a Pro and have a better tablet and better laptop.
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Depends. I like the Surface Pro for the simple fact it's the only tablet with a Wacom tablet quality digitizer on the screen. This is something no one else but Wacom themselves have done well. And Wacom's tablet starts at...what...$1799?

Though I will agree that it is kind of an uncomfortable mix of two worlds, and doesn't really excel at doing either. For the Surface Pro to truly succeed, it needs a more touch oriented UI. The windows 8 desktop can only take you so far on a tablet.
 
The Apple fanboys really came out of the woodwork on this one.. I do agree Microsoft gets a little too into it sometimes, but don't cry because a corporation is bashing another corporation. You'll all have your new little Fisher-Price iPads when they launch next month. I personally own a Surface Pro because it's nice to have my tablet BE my computer as well. Why have a MacBook Pro AND an iPad? You're just shooting yourself in the foot when you say the iPad is powerful. Really?? Well if it's so powerful, why do you need to bring it along for the ride with a MacBook/PC? Long story short, Shaw is certainly right about one thing: iPads are overpriced, overrated toys used to distract kids or help the elderly get on Facebook. Windows and Android products are for those who need to get sh** done. Simple as that. As far as I'm concerned, the only useful product line by Apple is the Mac. I guess because they actually let customers get a thing or two done on them.
 
Michael Goff said:
And yet, for all that, Office is still the king.
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Only because historically there's been little alternative. At the moment, iWork is probably competition for the home users of Office365, essentially those who used to use Works bundled on their PC. Not a major problem for MS you might think, but it loosens their grip on the market. If Apple & Google make significant inroads into the SME sector, those who currently find Office365 more attractive than the full-blown Office, that reduces the stranglehold that MS currently enjoy on the whole corporate sector.
 
Aaaah, a good old fashioned episode of MS vs. Apple. How I've missed it.

I think I'll go pop some Alice in Chains in my CD player if I can find it and spend the afternoon reminiscing about the glory days.
 
I prefer the Surface for multitasking and I like a lot about Windows 8. I do agree the iPad is more of a toy and an expensive one at that but Apple will sell millions.

I shouldn't even mention iWork in the same sentence as Office. There is no comparison for those of us who have tried both. I'd love it for Apple to continue to work on iWork but it has a long way to go.
 
if MS doesn't understand that if they have even a remote chance of getting the office suite on the iPad they had better do it NOW! Of course it is at least a year off. Oops.
 
cdebnil said:
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/08/opinion/the-apple-of-microsoft-s-eye.html

You need a history lesson...

Preview: "Mr. Gates and Mr. Jobs announced that Microsoft would inject more than $150 million into Apple and take other steps to guarantee Apple's near-term survival. Some Apple zealots in the audience hooted. Others sighed in relief. Virtually all were surprised and confused. Even in cyberspace it is odd for one company to bail out its only rival in a key area of business. Between them, Microsoft and Apple sell the operating systems, which dictate how computers analyze and display information, that run virtually every personal computer."
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A history lesson for you, as well as a back story.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/stop-the-lies-the-day-that-microsoft-saved-apple/7036

Microsoft's $150 stock investment was the result of a settlement of a lawsuit. In fact, the investment was just an initial payment for other "substantial balancing payments" that would be spread out over then next few years, then Apple CFO Fred Anderson said at the time.
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or here

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjac...-bill-gates-to-make-1997-investment-in-apple/

In the end, it was a patent deal, and kept Apple and Microsoft out of court, and potentially saved Microsoft from having to pay Billions in a court settlement.
 
"Let's be clear - helping folks kill time on a tablet is relatively easy." Then why do you suck at it?
 
The sweet Irony (Netscaped?)

This is just too funny. Microsoft, after close to a couple decades... is getting Netscaped....LOL

BTW... if none of you have tried it before. OpenOffice is pretty kick ass. I bounce between using that and Pages/Numbers when I use a word processor or spreadsheet. I've got MS Office on my Mac... but like all MS crap... it still does some kind of weird crap, and the interface get's annoying. Anyway.... this article made for a good laugh.
 
Bill Killer said:
iPad > Surface

Office > iWorks

There.
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Just because Office isn't 100% reliable, I can't consider it better than iWork. Maybe just Excel > Numbers since Numbers is a joke unless you're using it for simple calculations. PowerPoint, no question, is worse than Keynote, and I like Pages just for its stability (mentioned before) and faster startup time even though Word has some features I like.
 
I have a surface. It's a poor laptop, and a bad tablet. Wanted to like it so bad, but now I rarely use it.
 
Good, Im glad Microsoft did this, considering the pathetic childish way Apple slated them on stage yesterday! Yeah Apple, way to go, your so amazing not charging for incremental OS updates :rolleyes: that's right you go off and proclaim your competitors are lost...

We won't mention the Beta version of iOS 7 you launched onto the public eh ;)

Oh and Office > iWorks every day of the week! One of these is used right across industry and business every single day, the other is not.
 
Yes, MS knows how people work, but their software does everything it can to impede the work....everyday at work, I curse at Word and Outlook...do the people who code this stuff every talk to people who use it???
 
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