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What idiots

Well, if Microsoft came out with Office for the iPad, maybe that would help their quarterly numbers.

Obviously, Microsoft didn't market the Surface RT/Pro properly.

I think they need to change the name from Surface to Orifice and then tell people that these are the best devices to jam up people's asses and that the kickstand enables them to do it. So they could have ads that said Click, Click, OUCH!
 
Microsoft dominates in corporate offices and the Surface is designed to integrate in corporate networks. Apple is a very minor player in the worldwide corporate enterprise.

I see more iPad users than Office users in corporations. Apple has removed Blackberry from the corporation, and huge percentage of all iPads are bought by corporations or by employees for use in the corporation.
 
if MS doesn't understand that if they have even a remote chance of getting the office suite on the iPad they had better do it NOW! Of course it is at least a year off. Oops.

It's a very good point. There's probably no point in them bothering now as it would presumably would have been linked to the subscription-based Office365 and will struggle to compete with free apps. I wonder how much investment they have made in developing Office for iOS? Looks like it could be rather wasted now...
 
He has a point.

There is no doubt that the Surface is a better productivity device. I don't anyone could possibly make an argument that iWork is better than office while keeping a straight face.

But the thing is: do people really want a productivity tablet? The answer thus far has been a clear and resounding no.

The iPad is a much better device because of all of the apps it has. This is why the iPad can get away with weaker specs and a higher price.

Microsoft has to step up its game.
 
M$ office sucks...

"But helping people be productive on a tablet is a little trickier. It takes an understanding of how people actually work, how they get things done, and how to best support the way they do things already."

Having spent an afternoon with MS excel I can only say that M$ does not understand "how people actually work, how they get things done, and how to best support the way they do things already."

I hate MS office, each version get worse and worse. I would do anything to go back to Lotus123. I only say this because my livelihood depends on spreadsheets and I have been using them since multiplan...

FU Micro$oft.

BTW: can some one post the email address of the M$ executive responsible for the disaster that is MS office...
 
Just because Office isn't 100% reliable, I can't consider it better than iWork. Maybe just Excel > Numbers since Numbers is a joke unless you're using it for simple calculations. PowerPoint, no question, is worse than Keynote, and I like Pages just for its stability (mentioned before) and faster startup time even though Word has some features I like.

The moment you have to share a formatted copy of Pages or Keynote within a company, it falls apart. Apple is playing catch-up in the productivity software market, so it is up to them to live up to the compatibility standards set by Microsoft.

Numbers is a joke for actual quantitative analysis.

And personally, I've had as many issues with iWorks crashing as I have Office, which is minimal for both.
 
Only because historically there's been little alternative. At the moment, iWork is probably competition for the home users of Office365, essentially those who used to use Works bundled on their PC. Not a major problem for MS you might think, but it loosens their grip on the market. If Apple & Google make significant inroads into the SME sector, those who currently find Office365 more attractive than the full-blown Office, that reduces the stranglehold that MS currently enjoy on the whole corporate sector.

There's still barely any alternative... especially for Excel.

Office 2004 if anything. Why spend money on Office 365 to get the same software repackaged again and again?

Then buy the most recent version completely.
 
I've seen one person use a surface in the past year or so, and that was last week. Can't count the number of iPads that I've seen...

I've only seen them on display. Nothing in the wild.

IPads are all over. The new mini will really be something. Almost wish I waited.
 
Seems like I'm in the minority here, buuuuut....

MSFT has a pretty valid point. Serious users—and especially serious corporate users—don't use this stuff. The only exception I can think of is quasi-professional presenters who sometimes start with a Keynote template. But Word > Pages and Excel >>>>> Numbers. And while I haven't used a Surface, I've heard good things.

Look people. I've been using Macs since the mid 1980s. I have never purchased any non-Apple PC, phone, music player, etc. But give MSFT credit where it's due. They're really ***** good when it comes to matters of productivity and business. You can be an Apple fan and still acknowledge the strengths of your competitors. Doing so does not weaken you, your position, or your love for your product.

I don't see where overly-complicated apps with poorly designed user interfaces promote productivity, but I guess that's just me. Or maybe I've just had to suffer through one too many lousy PowerPoint presentation and had to read one too many disheveled Word document to agree that features and productivity are the same thing.
 
And of course dropping production of the Surface, and taking massive write offs for the 'successful' launch of that device is just a mark of the way that Microsoft 'owns' the 'tablet' market.

People realize how to perform work and 'get things done' and have chosen not to use the awkward and clumsy Surface with it's optional, yet required clip on keyboard.

Yeah, THAT is what it looks like to provide a device that everyone that wants to get things done (won't) buy...

Yeah, Microsoft has a lot of room to talk... *COUGH COUGH*
 
someone is a bit jelly

Yep! Exactly what I thought. Apple just landed a one two bunch on MicroSoft after they tripped and fell with Surface and now MS is lashing out at Apple over the strategic move. Lets face it, the free Mac OS update, free iWork and a table tOS that actually works will have a serious impact on MicroSoft.
 
Same decision dilemma for me...decided on a windows tablet. Btw, none of the windows devices have battery issues this time round.

Seem to be getting an awful lot of complaints from reviewers for battery life.
 
I don't see where overly-complicated apps with poorly designed user interfaces promote productivity, but I guess that's just me. Or maybe I've just had to suffer through one too many lousy PowerPoint presentation and had to read one too many disheveled Word document to agree that features and productivity are the same thing.

Poorly designed UI? Are we talking about the most recent iWork apps? Wait, no, we can't because iWork is more dumbed down than "overly-complicated".
 
Microsoft are being throttled by Apple and Google, their leader's resigned, and all they can do is poke fun at people… anyone else think this is seriously bad for them?
 
Having spent an afternoon with MS excel I can only say that M$ does not understand "how people actually work, how they get things done, and how to best support the way they do things already."

Say what you will about Word or Powerpoint, but Excel is pretty much the gold standard in spreadsheets and databasing. There's literally nothing else out there that does the job as good as it does.
 
As much as I dislike some things Apple does, this shows that MS starts to get really nervous.

Apple does not control most of the software market, neither does Google - however they are now going for the "free software"-model. Okay "free" is relative as in you pay for it with the higher hardware prices (Apple) or with tons of advertisement and giving away your data (Google) - but where does that leave MS? Same time: Apple and Google established an app-model were you pay nothing or just a few $$. This is dragging prices down!

Companies like Autodesk or MS and others are already feeling the pressure.

MS Office 365 for 99 Euros per year? Adobe software as subscription? NO WAY!

One guy wrote that MS and Android are dead. That is bs. Android (which I do not like) is alive and very much kicking. So is Google!

I think what we now see is: Nokia #2 - and its name is Microsoft. It will take a while and it will not be like Nokia or Blackberry - but MS is now going down slowly.

The much bigger issue - and the more interesting one - is Google vs Apple vs Samsung.

Samsung depends on Google. Google does not really cash in when it comes to Android. That is not a stable way to develop things.

So my money still is on Apple. The only two things Apple has problems with are:

* their arrogance, which keeps many customers away
* right now: not taking any risks.

We are about to have a market saturation when it comes to smart phones. Pads will follow. I do not see a Apple TV set as something big. Wearables are for now the new market.
 
Why? Exchange is a POS on a server and client system. While it has tons of installed users, most are SMB's and in enterprise-type operations it's about 50%-50% Notes and Exchange with some "Other" thrown in for good measure.

And don't get me started on Sharepoint. The product most hate to use and even MS admits implementation is ~7x the acquisition cost. It's cumbersome, hard to use, and another utter garbage app from Microsoft.

I'm not sure what you're going on about, but exchange is awesome. Sounds like the typical Apple enthusiast bashing anything that isn't Apple to me.

Quite frankly, from a productivity perspective, MS is right. iPad is nowhere near as productive of a device as Surface. Anyone claiming otherwise either doesn't know what productivity means or has never used a device that allows you to be productive and doesn't know any better, which is pretty much the same thing. Though it's certainly not an "inexpensive" device. Heck, a Galaxy Note 3 is a more productive device than an iPad.

Funny thing about the key note, they talked about design (shocking!) then they talked about design some more, and after that, they talked more about design. And somewhere in between they throw in an obscure office app for free. All in hopes that people will forget that the device doesn't actually do anything more than it did 3 years ago...
 
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