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Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads

Michael Goff said:
Microsoft doesn't make any money from Windows gaming. And it isn't like having the SteamOS will mystically make all the game devs port their games to Linux anyway. The solution?

Stream them from your Windows computer.

No, really, that's their solution.
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They've already started. Unity, Cryengine, Leadwerks, Unigen, just about all the middleware engines from the biggest to the smallest have an option to port to Linux/OSX these days. UDK has OSX, and is soon to have Linux.

All the indie games and A developers? 19 out of 20 are coming out for Linux and OSX. AAA games? Valve has been busy building a support base there, and it's already starting to show a bit of growth. Chances are good that we'll come to a point where SteamOS and Linux parity with the consoles and Windows for the latest games.

The only advantage Windows has is it's massive back catalog of games. Games that are too old to get any port work done, but are still bought and played fairly regularly. That's where streaming comes in. Not as the only way to play the latest and greatest, but to keep a toe in with those older games.

And another thing, this one the most damning. Think about the APIs. Linux and OSX share a goodly portion of the same libraries, which makes porting between them far easier between them than it does from Windows. OpenGL is the biggest example here, and is used by Windows, OSX, Linux, the PS3/4, the Wii/WiiU, Android, iOS, and everything else. DirectX? It's used exclusively only by the Xbox line and the SurfaceRT. It's becoming the odd API out. Pretty soon, it'll be easier for developers to port to literally everything else and hit a bigger audience than it would be for them to work with Windows first, and everything else second like it's been in the past.

We're in the midst of a seachange, and Valve is in an excellent position to take advantage of it.
 
What I don't get is why this guy even remotely thinks that the iPad is merely a device for productivity? If anything, using it productively is the last thing on my mind. It's my video player, web browser, music player, Skype/FaceTime device before it is my word processing or spread sheet editor. Hasn't Apple addressed this enough in its ads? The only ads I see MS uses are ones where people are having WAY TOO MUCH FUN IN THE OFFICE WHILE WORKING! Apple shows families, kids, etc. using it for fun in the beach, on a boat, on a goat!
 
aerok said:
Doesn't really matter if it's better, I haven't met a single College professor that accepted .pages documents. Nor have I been requested to send an iWork documents working in 2 different important international corporations.
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It's a good thing iWork can read and export to all MS formats. And I can do it from any of my devices.
 
Renzatic said:
They've already started. Unity, Cryengine, Leadwerks, Unigen, just about all the middleware engines from the biggest to the smallest have an option to port to Linux/OSX these days. UDK has OSX, and is soon to have Linux.

All the indie games and A developers? 19 out of 20 are coming out for Linux and OSX. AAA games? Valve has been busy building a support base there, and it's already starting to show a bit of growth. Chances are good that we'll come to a point where SteamOS and Linux parity with the consoles and Windows for the latest games.

The only advantage Windows has is it's massive back catalog of games. Games that are too old to get any port work done, but are still bought and played fairly regularly. That's where streaming comes in. Not as the only way to play the latest and greatest, but to keep a toe in with those older games.

And another thing, this one the most damning. Think about the APIs. Linux and OSX share a goodly portion of the same libraries, which makes porting between them far easier between them than it does from Windows. OpenGL is the biggest example here, and is used by Windows, OSX, Linux, the PS3/4, the Wii/WiiU, Android, iOS, and everything else. DirectX? It's used exclusively only by the Xbox line and the SurfaceRT. It's becoming the odd API out. Pretty soon, it'll be easier for developers to port to literally everything else and hit a bigger audience than it would be for them to work with Windows first, and everything else second like it's been in the past.

We're in the midst of a seachange, and Valve is in an excellent position to take advantage of it.
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I can either see things going really well for Valve with the bet they're making, and Windows loses the relevance for gaming, or it goes bad. I can see you being right, and future games being made for OpenGL-type environments, but I also see it being possible for DirectX to still be king. Windows might continue to be big for gaming because it's big for gaming right now.

If companies don't get the sales on Linux and OS X that they want, they might not bother.
 
isephmusic said:
yet every single person i guarantee you in this thread used microsoft office from age 8 up to right now to do their homework,projects, and presentations.

anyone here wrote their research papers on pages ? oh did you ? but you exported it to word for format and print right ?

lol the entire planet earth uses office and thats what this is about. not iWork which is now free because guess what ? its second tier . other then that yeah apple won everything else imaginable but still
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Your guarantee that I used Microsoft Office from the time I was eight years old? Microsoft didn't even exist when I was eight years old. I'd have to check, but I'm not sure Bill Gates was even born yet when I was eight years old.
 
Of course a ton of Apple apologists will be weighing in on this, nothing like a chance to bash Microsoft!

I bought iWork in 2009 when I was all Apple-rules and no-more-Microsoft.

After Office 2011 came out I tried it and changed my tune. The new iWorks apps look promising but do not hold a candle to the real thing. Let's face it, MS Office is the standard of the world.

I much prefer to work in real Excel and real Word so much that I've purchased one dual-machine license for Home and Office and another Home and Student three-machine license for a couple of other installations that I have in addition to a Mac Pro and a MacBook Pro.

Yes, I would rather spend the $250.00 and use the real thing than a wimpy wannabe. iWork has a tonne of great Apple ecosystem integration but it's no MS Office. Gotta give Microsoft at least one tiny little credit for a great product.
 
Really?????????

Microsoft can say what they want about how the Surface is better, yet when I want a device that runs smooth, works all the time, I reach for my iPad and I bet Frank does too behind closed doors.
 
sartis said:
Microsoft can say what they want about how the Surface is better, yet when I want a device that runs smooth, works all the time, I reach for my iPad and I bet Frank does too behind closed doors.
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A device that is smooth and just works all the time? From all reviews, that'd be a Surface 2. I have minimal lag with my RT, but it happens from time to time.
 
teknishn said:
It's a good thing iWork can read and export to all MS formats. And I can do it from any of my devices.
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No, it's not 100% compatible - I have personally had excel worksheets and word documents open improperly formatted. Speaking for myself, I would never risk sending a file that doesn't open properly in industry standard software to a client....

Others like you don't seem to care and that's certainly your right and prerogative. I tend to be a little more professional and take a little more pride in my work than to use a non-standard, cheap imitation.....
 
840quadra said:
A history lesson for you, as well as a back story.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/stop-the-lies-the-day-that-microsoft-saved-apple/7036



or here

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjac...-bill-gates-to-make-1997-investment-in-apple/

In the end, it was a patent deal, and kept Apple and Microsoft out of court, and potentially saved Microsoft from having to pay Billions in a court settlement.
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You are correct but Apple would of died before the courts ruling.

Steve Jobs said (From your Forbes Link)

“If we kept up our lawsuits, a few years from now we could win a billion-dollar patent suit. You know it, and I know it. But Apple’s not going to survive that long if we’re at war. I know that. So let’s figure out how to settle this right away. All I need is a commitment that Microsoft will keep developing for the Mac and an investment by Microsoft in Apple so it has a stake in our success"
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Infinitewisdom said:
It just amazes me that Microsoft continues to not get it. For a company with so many resources, they've been fighting a losing battle for years. Thankfully for them, Microsoft Office is such an entrenched part of the working world that it's almost impossible for it to be displaced. But, free offerings, now including iWork, will continue to encroach on their territory. If they don't play their cards right, their Office monopoly will be over sooner rather than later.
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iWork is free? Can you point me to the free download?
 
Lol... Argue with some facts in hand guy.... Really LOL. After epic fail of Windows 8, still MS guys fail to learn any lesson...

I try to honest as possible, I never see anyone using or carrying Surface tablet...

Fix your problems first before you point your fingers on others....
 
Michael Goff said:
I can either see things going really well for Valve with the bet they're making, and Windows loses the relevance for gaming, or it goes bad. I can see you being right, and future games being made for OpenGL-type environments, but I also see it being possible for DirectX to still be king. Windows might continue to be big for gaming because it's big for gaming right now.
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The only way DirectX would continue its dominance is if MS is willing to lose its exclusive hold on it, and even then it all depends on if the other platform vendors are willing to pick it up. But that would lead to a competition between APIs, and would only go so far to secure Windows place as the go-to OS for gaming. It'd help strengthen MS' position in the new tech world that's coming soon, but wouldn't secure it outright. At least as solidly as it has been.

If companies don't get the sales on Linux and OS X that they want, they might not bother.
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Yeah, there are a ton of "ifs" to account for, but there's a ton of promise out there to make it worth the attempt. If you want an example, Paradox Interactive released one game for Linux and said that if it sold well, they'd continue making games for the platform. Now? Just about every game they make has a Linux port. That's enough to assume they saw enough of a return to make it worth their while. I'm sure they won't be the only success story out there once Steam Machines starts hitting the shelves.

Though even if it is a resounding success beyond everyone's wildest dreams, it won't be the death of MS. They're too entrenched and have too much legacy support for that to happen anytime soon. But it will lead to a situation where you can switch to whatever platform without feeling like you have to sacrifice access to something in the transition. It'll end up being a more competitive, equally split market.
 
djtech42 said:
"The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet."

HAHAHAHAHA WHAT! They can't be serious.
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Have you tried using Apple Mail instead of Outlook at work?

Outlook for Windows is a far superior productivity tool. Not to say Microsoft is perfect in this respect--Google understands collaboration and sharing better than Microsoft ever did and until now, Apple (iWork collaboration still has yet to prove itself).

But yes I see where he's coming from and fanboying aside he's really not that far off.
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
Didn't Balmer wish Microsoft had made the iPad?
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Microsoft had the tablet PC for years before the iPad, and they were moving towards the direction of the iPad. Balmer preview their version of an iPad, the HP Slate in 2010, before Apple announced the iPad. The problem was that HP ended up canceling the Slate, and Microsoft have always been hampered by the OEMs. For example when they wanted to create a media center, they partnered with HP again, and provided plans for a sleek small device that was comparable to a PS2, or a DVD player. HP basically made a computer tower to be used with televisions, and at a size that won't fit most media centers.
 
Michael Goff said:
Second and third, mostly. The first is mainly opinion, so I can't really say anything about it.
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Why wouldn't Apple think of buying Microsoft? I realize that it's not at all likely to pass, but it would be interesting. I was surprised that Oracle bought Sun. It made no sense. Did Oracle want hardware? It looks like they don't with all of the BS they make Sun owners go through to get updates. Do they want Java? I imagine that Oracle keeps a crew of Java software engineers locked in a darkened room with a food slot somewhere in the wall, but does Oracle really want Java? Did they want Solaris? Why? The Oracle database software runs on other operating systems. Would anyone buy the Oracle database software if they started dictating the operating system, and requiring their own OS? Would Oracle want to require their development staff to support a complicated OS AND a complicated software system? Sure Sun had MySQL (afaik), but I really can't see where that was a showstopper for Oracle to buy them... Did they buy Sun to stop MySQL? Hmm...

I wonder if AOL bought Netscape to stop the browser for Microsoft...

It's a weird world. Would Microsoft have bought Apple if they could. An interesting question. What if Sony had bought Apple at its lowest (Apple's lowest, not Sony's :D )...

Apple could leverage Microsoft's developers to get back into the 'Business Market'... But them Microsoft could end Apple like Compaq almost did for HP...
 
Lol

The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet.
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Which is exactly why I switched to Apple after being a diehard Microsoft user. The only Microsoft product in my home is an Xbox -- at least until Apple comes out with an iBox. *crosses fingers*
 
rewrite: The good news is that Microsoft understands how it has coerced people to work in modal drudgery and under cryptic alerts and viral threats better than anyone else on the planet.:D
 
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