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Not a fan of the surface at all, but many features of Pages was destroyed in this update. Not ready for professional use like it used to be (seems like the FCP X thing all over again).

Ground-up rewrites tend to have missing features at v1. Give it time.
 
Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads

That isn't news or rumor. What's it doing on this site?

Microsoft Surface tablets are a loss, a fail. They're just jealous.

Move along. That is not the droid you seek.
 
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance."

Steve Ballmer
April 2007
 
Interesting one. The man's got good points. However, I don't use an iPad to be productive (that's what I use desktops and laptops for) so the point is moot to me.

I'm still not really sold on hybrids like the Pro. Usually either I'm being productive (laptop) or chilling (tablet) - certainly it's becoming more financially difficult to have both and have them up to date. But I think while MS does have some good points here, Apple are right to stay focused on what they do well.
 
Honestly... simply coming from an enterprise standpoint using exchange, I would rather have a tablet that has full Outlook/Calendar and Office with full SharePoint support... than an iPad with iOS Mail and Cal.

I can see where MS is coming from and what they are trying to prove/do, but they are doing it the wrong way bashing Apple.

Where I work, we are trying to remove all laptops from our field users, and replace them with iPads+BT Keyboards only. I can not wait for that disaster.

Not sure why Outlook/Calendar would be better, I'm quite happy with my Exchange email and calendar on my iPhone and would love it on an iPad. I think you'll be surprised at the reception of field workers who don't have to lug a laptop, power brick, and accessories around.
 
And here's what Ballmer also said about the iPhone five years ago:

"it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine .... I like our strategy. I like it a lot....Right now we're selling millions and millions and millions of phones a year, Apple is selling zero phones a year. In six months, they'll have the most expensive phone by far ever in the marketplace and let's see ... let's see how the competition goes."

Still he's a billionaire. So what do I know

You'd think M'Soft would know when to shut the ___ up
 
Oh dear... Here's the difference between Microsoft and Apple when it comes to throwing shots at the competition as far as I see it:

Apple almost always links their stuff to a specific function or feature that they know they're ahead of the rest of the market on. There are often many rebuttals to that claim that can be made but, by and large, they're at least on some form of solid ground.

Microsoft has a tendency to go off the deep end and make very general and quite wide ranging claims. This tends to lead to situations where those claims both come across as very negative (rather than being positive about what they have to offer) and, worse, a bit silly when they claims don't stack up to reality.

In this particular case: Don't claim that Apple don't know how to help users be productive on tablets when the iPad is - by a massive margin - the leading business tablet in the world right now. Certainly don't do so when the Surface has been... let's be charitable and go with under performing compared to expectations. Sure as hell don't say "Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet" when those self same people aren't buying your products!

Oh and don't have a *kickstand* as the first entry in your productivity enhancement list either. Plus that whole 'multiple keyboard options' line is a wee bit suspect when you start looking at the iPad ecosystem....

It's a shame really, Microsoft have got so much potential to do something incredible and move the game forward yet they really don't seem to have anything up their sleeves to counter the iOS and Android invasion. Fingers crossed they up their game with this new reorganisation as I think it'd be a shame to see the company that really brought PC's to the masses relegated back to a business-focused entity.
 
About the only thing I like about the surface is the built in kickstand, and the keyboard cover. Don't know if I would ever use the keyboard cover, but it's a nice option to have. I would really like the kickstand, my smartcover collapses and makes my iPad fall if the table it's on even gets slightly bumped.
 
If MS spends 1/10th as much time and energy into improving their own product as they do spend bashing Apple, they might have a chance. Might.
 
Oh dear... Here's the difference between Microsoft and Apple when it comes to throwing shots at the competition as far as I see it:

Apple almost always links their stuff to a specific function or feature that they know they're ahead of the rest of the market on. There are often many rebuttals to that claim that can be made but, by and large, they're at least on some form of solid ground.

Microsoft has a tendency to go off the deep end and make very general and quite wide ranging claims. This tends to lead to situations where those claims both come across as very negative (rather than being positive about what they have to offer) and, worse, a bit silly when they claims don't stack up to reality.


In this particular case: Don't claim that Apple don't know how to help users be productive on tablets when the iPad is - by a massive margin - the leading business tablet in the world right now. Certainly don't do so when the Surface has been... let's be charitable and go with under performing compared to expectations. Sure as hell don't say "Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet" when those self same people aren't buying your products!

Oh and don't have a *kickstand* as the first entry in your productivity enhancement list either. Plus that whole 'multiple keyboard options' line is a wee bit suspect when you start looking at the iPad ecosystem....

It's a shame really, Microsoft have got so much potential to do something incredible and move the game forward yet they really don't seem to have anything up their sleeves to counter the iOS and Android invasion. Fingers crossed they up their game with this new reorganisation as I think it'd be a shame to see the company that really brought PC's to the masses relegated back to a business-focused entity.

Yes, exactly.
 
ohh shaw, when Surface starts making money you can start saying you understand the consumers...
 
Ok this made me lol for real.

If Surface is so much better, why are businesses all over handing out iPads to their staff like candy?
 
To me an iPad is a much more mobile device than the Surface. And the Surface 2 weighs about the same as the current 4th gen iPad. Surface Pro is around 2 pounds. That's not something I'd want to crawl in bed with and read a book on. Or throw in a purse or backpack. You rarely ever see the Surface without the keyboard cover, without the kickstand or being used in portrait orientation. It's really a stretch to call it a tablet, IMO and I would guess most people who own one are using it more like a laptop.
 
The reason I left MS years ago...

Corrupt DLL's.
BSOD's
too many stupid problems that came up, in fact even though it was fairly easy for me to figure them out (in time), I stopped one day and asked myself- WTF am i doing?

Went to Apple, never looked back.

So, is MS any better now? I do run Window 7 on my MBA for work (as little as possible), but I find it more stable than any other platform I recall running except for XP.

So, bash if you will MS- but Apple does keep it simple. The spin machine over there seems to be in overdrive with their comments and (videos).
 
But helping people be productive on a tablet is a little trickier. It takes an understanding of how people actually work, how they get things done, and how to best support the way they do things already.

The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet.

Right, and that is why Surface has been such a runaway success, has resonated perfectly with the users, and has totally destroyed the iPad sales, bringing Apple's customers to Microsoft.

Oh, wait..

Seriously, if Microsoft had an ounce of intimate understanding of consumer wants/needs, they'd be the ones with a "reality distortion field" - not Apple.

The Surface and Surface 2 are less expensive than the iPad 2 and iPad Air respectively, and yet offer more storage, both onboard and in the cloud.
- ... come with full versions of Office 2013, including Outlook, not non-standard, non-cross-platform, imitation apps that can't share docs with the rest of the world.
- ... offer additional native productivity enhancing capabilities like kickstands, USB ports, SD card slots and multiple keyboard options.
- ... include interfaces for opening multiple windows, either side by side or layered to fit the way most people actually work.

So this is Microsoft being intimately familiar with, and understanding of, how people work nowadays? :rolleyes: By making a "laplet" hybrid which is neither as good as a full laptop, or a dedicated tablet, and includes a jumbled, bipolar OS, with a metric ton of legacy baggage?
 
The ONLY MS Office app I can not get by without is Excel. The software engineers at google and apple need to go down to the finance departments at their respective companies to see how excel is used on a day to day basis.
 
Well Apple talked crap yesterday and backed it up with impressive hardware and software announcements. Microsoft is talking crap today, what are you going to do to back it up?
 
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