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Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads

BaldiMac said:
So, basically, all you want is all the advantages of Apple without all the disadvantages. I wonder why nobody thought of that. :eek:
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"the disadvantages"?

You mean I should want software that I purchased prior to work in an inferior way because of an update? Or are you saying I shouldn't use iCloud? I don't get what you're saying, it doesn't make sense to me. Please try again, maybe make a coherent point.
 
He's right about productivity on a tablet being much more difficult that entertaining people on one. Thats why people still buy desktops and laptops. Trying to force productivity on a tablet is not working, and thats why it just doesn't happen, and Apple understands that. Does iWork (with the exception of Keynote) suck compared to MS Office? YES! However, I think most people would pick a MacBook with Pages over a Surface with Word. Its all about using the right tool for the right job.
 
HenryDJP said:
No offense but you don't know how to use Pages, plain and simple. I run an insurance office and I use Pages exclusively for creating our office banners, flyers and brochures for advertising and the tools in the Inspector offer so much more in three dimensional graphics and layout than Word could've ever think of. Word's tools resemble much of that stinking Publisher. Two dimensional and plain boring.
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Well, no offense, but if you're relying on the themes or creating simple advertising material, then you're not not doing professional docs. I'm a senior tech writer, and I can tell you that next to a package like Frame, Pages, (ESPECIALLY the new one with 'less critical features' like, oh, page numbers--sheesh) looks a little like a sidewalk and a crayon. Even Word has more robust page layout and numbering options. Pages is all flashy, which I suppose serves a purpose, but it's not hefty documentation, I can tell you that.
 
BaldiMac said:
They had different priorities for that than you do. :)
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Alright, so tell me what your point of the snark was? I'd like to know what is the correct response. Because it's sounding like you're trying to stop any complaining. That can't possibly be true, only an apologist would do that when there are obviously real problems.
 
s2mikey said:
Yeah, you are right. Most companies will give you the hardware for free and make it back on the software or consumables. Apple is the opposite because they are the sole producer of hardware that runs their stuff. So, they give you the software as long as you buy their very expensive hardware. Same model, just swapped roles.

There really isn't any comparison between office and iWork. One is more professional and one is geared towards the casual user.
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Yeah, the old school business model had a ton of OEM's acting as off the shelf assemblers. The hardware might not have been free but definitely had low profit margins. That was Microsoft's vision. Hardware was a commodity, software was premium. And this is how you got your x86 sw ecosystem with $1000 software suites.

Apple flipped it and made the hardware premium with huge profit margins, but has been trying to turn software into a commodity with low pricepoints and loss leader strategies. This is why we now have an ARM budget sw ecosystem with a hundred different flashlight apps.

Unless there's a lot of backlash or they lose significant hardware revenue, I expect Apple to keep catering to casual users w/ cheap simple software at the expense of Pro users who need more complicated solutions. The casual user is the larger install base, having a ton of features undermines this group and makes software less of a commodity, and Apple's goal is to sell expensive hardware to the bigger base. Sucks for those who've built businesses off iWork but Apple barely made any money off iWork in the first place. They can do whatever they want to it with very little impact to their bottomline.
 
Michael Goff said:
Alright, so tell me what your point of the snark was?
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Apple has a particular way of doing things that has its advantages and disadvantages. I think it's unrealistic to ask Apple to change the way they do things and expect it to only impact the disadvantages.

I'd like to know what is the correct response.
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Correct response to what? I simply disagree with you.

Because it's sounding like you're trying to stop any complaining.
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:confused: I'm not a mod.
 
BaldiMac said:
Apple has a particular way of doing things that has its advantages and disadvantages. I think it's unrealistic to ask Apple to change the way they do things and expect it to only impact the disadvantages.



Correct response to what? I simply disagree with you.



:confused: I'm not a mod.
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You can be telling people to not complain without being a mod, you know that right?

Also, yep, just like I thought. You're being an apologist.
 
Dave.UK said:
Indeed it is.

Let me make it slightly more easier for you to understand. ;)

http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/08/dayintech_0806/
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lol

This link does not prove your point, Microsoft rescuing Apple does not mean that Apple would not be what they are today if Microsoft did not rescue them. Logically, Microsoft had other reasons for rescuing Apple, potentially because Microsoft could not continue without Apple. Or just for the publicity before someone else rescued them?

Reading the article, Microsoft was in the middle of Anti-Trust litigation and had a tarnished reputation, and rescued Apple to build its reputation.

This by no means proves that Apple could not exist without Microsoft.

Perhaps if there was no Microsoft, Apple never would have needed to be Rescued...

Again, Fail.
 
Swytch said:
lol

This link does not prove your point, Microsoft rescuing Apple does not mean that Apple would not be what they are today if Microsoft did not rescue them. Logically, Microsoft had other reasons for rescuing Apple, potentially because Microsoft could not continue without Apple. Or just for the publicity before someone else rescued them?

Reading the article, Microsoft was in the middle of Anti-Trust litigation and had a tarnished reputation, and rescued Apple to build its reputation.

This by no means proves that Apple could not exist without Microsoft.

Perhaps if there was no Microsoft, Apple never would have needed to be Rescued...

Again, Fail.
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Microsoft didn't even rescue Apple. They settled a lawsuit.
 
iWorks is working for me; Word is not.

I just bought a retina MacBook Pro (replacing a four-year-old MBP) and I just realized that my 2008 edition of MS Office does not support the retina display. It is not just ugly; it becomes uncomfortable to look at after a while.

By contrast, iWorks actually has things in the proper resolution. Apple gave me iWorks for free with my new computer, whereas MS wants me to solve the problem by purchasing Office again and getting the retina upgrade.

A no-brainer, really.
 
BaldiMac said:
Regardless, you completely missed the point of my example. It had nothing to do with printing of envelopes. It was about creating a central database for contacts that other apps can access instead of each app having its own database.
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I got your point, I just found it interesting that something you love about Apple is one of the things I hate about them. I didn't mean to start an argument or say either of our opinions have more merit.

I just wish Apple would understand different people work different ways and not force everyone to do it their way or leave.
 
Oracle1729 said:
I got your point, I just found it interesting that something you love about Apple is one of the things I hate about them. I didn't mean to start an argument or say either of our opinions have more merit.
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Fair enough. I just find it ironic that the example that you used is something that you can do very easily using Apple software.

I just wish Apple would understand different people work different ways and not force everyone to do it their way or leave.
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Again, I'm not sure why you expect Apple to provide all the functionality that you want. That's what third-party software is for.

To me, what makes Apple software great is their attention to detail. That's simply not practical without a great deal of focus. You lose that when you try and add every feature that someone might want.
 
On every Apple forum, users are angry over the new iWork, esp Pages. By all accounts it is a disaster.

MS saying the same thing doesn't count as bashing. Let's be honest here, what they said about Surface vs iPad is also true, you may prefer iPad but that's opinion, not facts about storage space/price.
 
ecrispy said:
On every Apple forum, users are angry over the new iWork, esp Pages. By all accounts it is a disaster.

MS saying the same thing doesn't count as bashing. Let's be honest here, what they said about Surface vs iPad is also true, you may prefer iPad but that's opinion, not facts about storage space/price.
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Not if you end up reading the comments here. I mean, the first line will be "yeah, but about half of it is taken up by Windows", followed by "iPad 16GB has more space" and ignoring the fact that with 8.1 a Surface RT (and thus Surface 2) has roughly 17 or so gb of space. That's with Office.
 
jamesryanbell said:
Sales prove it.

Sales show not just "market penetration". Markets can be penetrated, but consumers don't want it, so they don't buy it.

iPad has both. "Here it is" and "Yes we want it".

That's proof enough. Buyers determine the proof.
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Sales prove it's sold more, which is an objective fact. Being better is subjective, and isn't proven. If your measure of "better" is units sold then it does prove that, but your measure of "better" is not definitive.
 
Hrududu said:
He's right about productivity on a tablet being much more difficult that entertaining people on one. Thats why people still buy desktops and laptops. Trying to force productivity on a tablet is not working, and thats why it just doesn't happen, and Apple understands that. Does iWork (with the exception of Keynote) suck compared to MS Office? YES! However, I think most people would pick a MacBook with Pages over a Surface with Word. Its all about using the right tool for the right job.
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I agree mostly but some people may find being productive on a tablet a good thing or even neccessary. Thats where a few of the other alternatives will come in handy. However, most users use tablets to gobble up websites, games, and social media like PacMan on dots. For that reason, I think Apple is smart to stay the course.
 
HenryDJP said:
Get real. MS was not "poking fun", they were crapping on Apple's product suggesting that it's not fit for even toy computers. I just love the MS supporters on here. Keep it up guys. You're hilarious. :p
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Oh, and the Mac Vs. PC ads totally didn't rip on Windows. Yes, Apple is innocent, and FYI, I'll use any computer that works for me. I've used OS X, Linux based OSes and Windows.
 
I just want to know when Microsoft will make office for iOS or android.... Not that I would use it but I think they would make a killing off of it.
 
mazz0 said:
Sales prove it's sold more, which is an objective fact. Being better is subjective, and isn't proven. If your measure of "better" is units sold then it does prove that, but your measure of "better" is not definitive.
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If you really want to get a reaction, you should have responded that by that logic Windows is better than O S X or Android is a better phone OS than iOS. Watch the mental gymnastics.
 
Microsoft really shouldn't be making fun of anyone's tablet but their own.

But iworks should be bashed.
 
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