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*raises eyebrow* I rather have a USB-A 2.0/3.0 port than a USB-C port since most of today's devices including Apple's iPhone and iPad still uses it.

USB-C port is useless for most devices unless you want dongle converters.

Most of today's devices are migrating to USB-C. Find an Android phone with micro USB. It's hard. Most laptops (Windows and Mac) are migrating to USB-C.

Having both a phone (ZTE Axon 7) and Laptop (HP Sprctre x360) with USB-C is great. I love the connector.
 
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Looks like a lot of the black MacBooks from back in the what... early 2k's?

edit: there are some white ones in there too.

The beauty of having a macbook is that there are lots and lots of case options out there, ranging from black (as seen in photo), white (as seen in photo), pink (seen in photo) and even green (ALSO seen in photo) not to mention my 1999, 2002, 2006, 2008, and 2014 ibooks/macbooks/pros all still run like champions. Maybe those people didn't need to buy a new computer. But worst case scenario we kept selling white MacBooks into 2009.
 
Touch Bar made more sense? You can't write complex equations/flow chart/graph/concept drawing with TB. Writing on a laptop screen may not feel good but at least we have options.

It makes sense for it's intended purpose, of course you can't write complex equations or draw on it because that's not what it's intended for. Touch on a laptop is not very good, Apple have spoke about it a number of times with Craig the hair man even confirming that they had prototypes and working models but that it wasn't a good user experience.

The route Apple have gone down is a much better option in my opinion, the Touch Bar can be used in apps to aid workflow, using a pen on a laptop screen is not what a laptop should be, if you want to write or draw on a screen use a tablet. Also that photo was from the Microsoft event and the guy who was showing off the Surface Laptop had to hold the top of the laptop to stop it from falling over in order to draw on it that is a bad experience. Apple have got it right by not putting Touch into their laptops or desktop (iMac) Touch is the iPhone and iPad while laptops and desktops are more precise with point and click.
 
Most of today's devices are migrating to USB-C. Find an Android phone with micro USB. It's hard. Most laptops (Windows and Mac) are migrating to USB-C.

Having both a phone (ZTE Axon 7) and Laptop (HP Sprctre x360) with USB-C is great. I love the connector.

You mean slowly. Not completely.

Windows Laptops still have USB-A ports. I agree that Micro USB is going, but on those new Android devices the included charge cables have USB-C to USB-A, not USB-C to USB-C.

So until the latter happens, USB-A will still be around for years for come. USB-A is still very important today.
 
Except macbook airs still have better specs (-display res.)

How do you figure 1440x900 16:10 128ppi TN panel on the Macbook Air is better than 2256x1504 3:2 201ppi IPS panel on the Surface Laptop? There's also CPU difference with 5th gen Broadwell on MBA vs 7th gen Kaby Lake on SL. And, no 16GB DRAM option on MBA.
 
To be fair, RAM is a very touchy subject on this forum. The torches and pitchforks were equally present when Apple presented the latest MBP with a maximum of 16GBs. Many of the users here are above average power users, so any laptop without a bare minimum of 8GBs is going to be criticized.
That I agree on, with you right there. But even when Microsoft debut the killer studio, with out-of-this-world features and specs, even a new input method, we got the 'but it runs windows' tagline

There's always something wrong or missing lol
 
Your body is way way less dirty than your bare hands. You have a cloth covered steering wheel? Blech, how dirty does that get?

Also metal trim is not the same as solid metal.

Well that all depends on your personal hygiene really. Washing your hands after you go to the toilet or sneeze helps.
And I would claim the likes of Bugatti know better then you too, do you hold leather under the same opinion?

As for metal trim, a laptop isn't a solid lump of metal either, it's a milled out case, and metal on car doors feels solid on 80 grand motors, not really sure what your point is that your making?
 
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the killer studio, with out-of-this-world ... specs
Uh... huh. I'm hoping you were being sarcastic? 'Cause the GTX 965M (980M max) they put in there wasn't bad, I suppose, but with the 1080 already kicking around in the wild at the time it certainly wasn't "out-of-this-world."
 
Well that all depends on your personal hygiene really. Washing your hands after you go to the toilet or sneeze helps.
And I would claim the likes of Bugatti know better then you too, do you hold leather under the same opinion?

As for metal trim, a laptop isn't a solid lump of metal either, it's a milled out case, and metal on car doors feels solid on 80 grand motors, not really sure what your point is that your making?

Bugatti isn't making laptops! Bringing up Bugatti as if it's relevant or as if the MS brand is anywhere close must be a joke. Not sure why we're having this discussion.

A metal unibody laptop IS solid metal. Just like how gold watches are solid gold. As I was saying earlier, a car manufacturer would never make an interior out of solid metal.

Just because Bugatti uses the material for interiors doesn't mean it belongs on a laptop.

The surface laptop will stain, guaranteed.
 
*raises eyebrow* I rather have a USB-A 2.0/3.0 port than a USB-C port since most of today's devices including Apple's iPhone and iPad still uses it.

USB-C port is useless for most devices unless you want dongle converters.

And here I am...using my new MacBook Pro, with three external devices and not a single dongle.
 
It's not a bad looking laptop, although I am not so sure how that material will look after regular use. What's funny to me is how much Microsoft wants to be Apple. In the keynote, release video, etc. it is all exactly the same as Apple. I actually think Microsoft has some decent people behind it and Windows 10 is pretty good, but some originality would be appreciated.
 
Here's on a desktop with 32GB and it's using 1.3GB DRAM. As a matter of fact, I've never seen Windows 10 Pro use above 1.xGB on any device.

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Used RAM when opening OS or doing nothing have absolutely no value.

Actually it could even be considered as wasted ressources.

It's better to have things in cache waiting to be used, who will simply be overwritten if needed than keep it empty for no real reason.

Using RAM doesn't mean "bloated", it mean using available ressources.

Right now my MBP (8 GB), 1.30 GB of unmovable memory, 1.60 GB of app memory that could be compressed or put to cache. 2.87 GB of cached memory (I just restarted the OS and already the OS loaded stuff to be used "in case" I need it)

Basically free ram is pointless, what matter is what happen when multiple apps are open, when the system have to manage ram.
 
And here I am...using my new MacBook Pro, with three external devices and not a single dongle.

Those externals are definitely not iPhone or Galaxy Sx though, unless you went out of your way to buy the special cable.

Anyway you are definitely the minority when you are no longer using USB-A.
 
Those externals are definitely not iPhone or Galaxy Sx though, unless you went out of your way to buy the special cable.

Anyway you are definitely the minority when you are no longer using USB-A.

I see this repeated so many times and its garbage. USB cables have two ends. iPhone and iPad don't have USB-C but they never had USB-A either - they were 30 pin and then lightning. What's on the other end of the cable is irrelevant. The "but iPhones don't have USB-C!!11one!" meme has to die. It's nonsense.
 
I see this repeated so many times and its garbage. USB cables have two ends. iPhone and iPad don't have USB-C but they never had USB-A either - they were 30 pin and then lightning. What's on the other end of the cable is irrelevant. The "but iPhones don't have USB-C!!11one!" meme has to die. It's nonsense.

What a HUGE piece of garbage that I bolded there. HUGE.

You go on saying USB cables have two ends but one end is irrelevant. Ok so how am I going to charge or transfer data without the other end?

Of course the other end is VERY relevant, how am I suppose to bloody charge my iPhone on the new MacBook without some buying a new cable??
 
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I see this repeated so many times and its garbage. USB cables have two ends. iPhone and iPad don't have USB-C but they never had USB-A either - they were 30 pin and then lightning. What's on the other end of the cable is irrelevant. The "but iPhones don't have USB-C!!11one!" meme has to die. It's nonsense.


Was gonna buy one for my Dad.

Then I realised the USB is the old type and there's like a DisplayPort, what???

The USB choice by Microsoft is a huge disappointment for me. Who made that decision? :eek:

My Dad has a USB-C phone and I was looking forward to upgrading him to a new MS laptop, but I'll just have to look elsewhere now.
 
What a HUGE piece of garbage that I bolded there. HUGE.

Of course the other end is VERY relevant, how am I suppose to bloody charge my iPhone on the new MacBook without some buying a new cable??

If you have an iPhone and a 2016 MacBook I would suggest you needn't spend much time worrying about the cost of a cable. Since you presumably consciously ordered and spent thousands of dollars collectively on these the requirement for a $10-20 cable to connect presumably will not come as a huge surprise or problem, would it? Not without an incredible feat of poor planning or budget misjudgment.
 
It's not a bad looking laptop, although I am not so sure how that material will look after regular use. What's funny to me is how much Microsoft wants to be Apple. In the keynote, release video, etc. it is all exactly the same as Apple. I actually think Microsoft has some decent people behind it and Windows 10 is pretty good, but some originality would be appreciated.

It's not a bad looking laptop, but they messed up royally by not providing USB-C. Old USB and DisplayPort? Really???
 
If you have an iPhone and a 2016 MacBook I would suggest you needn't spend much time worrying about the cost of a cable. Since you presumably consciously ordered and spent thousands of dollars collectively on these the requirement for a $10-20 cable to connect presumably will not come as a huge surprise, would it?

So this is your excuse. Give Apple more money in order to use your phone with the MacBook.
 

I have no "excuse" for anything, nor do I require one. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of this conversation. Even with that aside, here's a protip: Apple are not the sole supplier of cables. You can keep that one for free.
 
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