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Honestly, looks like bunch of bling to me. It‘s nice to see large manufacturers trying to be innovative - but just throwing new form factors and see what sticks isn‘t my idea of finding to solutions to problems.

And Microsoft knows this: Windows is NOT made to run on tablets. It‘s terribly clunky to use on those.
Did you read the part where they called the OS’Windows 10 X’.
Or would that get in the way of a good rant?
 
The Surface Neo is certainly the only thing that grabbed my attention here.
I like the idea of dual screen.
If Apple made a dual screen ipad (two hinged together), I might go for that, especially if the orientation kicked in a keyboard on the horizontal screen.

This foldable display stuff from samsung is destined to fail - the screen is too soft and easily scratchable, prone to dust ingress
 
This isn’t going to sway iPad users and Mac users, who, for many years as of lately have stuck to the well built, seamless and appliance like conventional laptop design of the Mac lineup and the class-leading, world-leading iPad, Pro, Air and Mini now with iPad OS - constantly redefining what a tablet can do.

Maybe if people actually buy these, if Microsoft doesn’t cancel like they’re known to do last minute with last minute concepts (Remember the Kin?!).. AND if people start using them.... again, not likely beyond tech reviewers slamming Apple for not being innovative.. then I can’t see a second or third gen of these.
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Seriously? You do know that Windows 10 is miles ahead of MacOS when it comes to productivity, for which these devices are made for.

...how do you work that one out? Hahaha
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How so, explain further...

I’ll explain it in one word... Windows.
 
Any update to the Surface Studio desktop? That design was the true successor to the iMac G4 flowerpot

Except nobody is buying them. The iMac sold like weed.
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Duo and Neo run a heavily skinned version of Android.

And Android, especially on a tablet, is worse than anyone could ever claim iPad OS to be..
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They crushed it plain and simple.

While Apple launches 2019 MacBooks which are immediately added to a keyboard repair program, year after year after year, Microsoft comes along and sets the form factor of the future.

While Apple launches the 3rd iteration of the iPhone X chassis, Microsoft steals the iPhone 12's thunder 11 months early with the Duo. The iPhone 12 better be something incredible.

If all they do is reduce/eliminate the notch, they will simply have caught up with Android 2018 devices 2 years later and will have to continue to play catch-up as the world moves to folding, dual screen pocket devices.

The lackluster port selection and performance of the Laptop 3 suggest a strong 'Pro' Surface Book 3 is coming. They needed to avoid overlap across those product lines.

I'm holding out for an awesome 16" MacBook Pro in a few weeks, but it's going to cost 2 arms and 2 legs and is likely going to be the same form factor with thinner bezels and a better keyboard.

In the meantime, my $1250 2018 Matebook X Pro 13.9" 3000x2000 i7/mx150/16GB/512GB 2x USB C/Thunderbolt USB A good keyboard and large trackpad touchscreen laptop still beats out everything Microsoft just launched and everything Apple currently sells, at anywhere near the same price point.

The future? It’s an iPad mate. Those who disagree today will look as stupid as Steve Ballmer dismissing the original iPhone due to it’s software keyboard in 2007... In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if half of the Apple haters here were still typing replies on their Nokia N95’s and raving how ‘T9’ is for Pros... ..
 
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the duo and neo is what innovation looks like . Wake up apple, you havent innovated anything since jobs died . And nooo the apple watch or airpods were not Tims creation . do you think Jobs didn't leave them without a 10 yr plan to follow? get real .

Hahaha, ‘10 year plan’, if that was the case Apple would be sunk by now and maybe you’d make a valid point from time to time. That’s not how it works bud, go check out the share prices on these companies...
 
It actually works and doesn't require a bubble around it to keep it from breaking.
I'd say it's a better idea than the plastic screen garbage that's out there right now.

This is basically a Sony Tablet P (from 2011) with large screens and smaller bezels. The divider in the middle is really jarring unless you are using the two parts separately. It didn't work for Sony then, and with better software MS may make it work this time, but I doubt it.
 
[From the video] “The WonderBar, which seems to be much more functional and useful than Apple’s TouchBar”.

Once again, Dan From MacRumors is trolling Apple users with baseless, nonsensical clickbait. “More functional”? Really? You mean that a touch area that is literally SIX to EIGHT times larger than Apple’s Touch Bar potentially has more functionality? Shocking! And all Microsoft had to do was shrink the keyboard to be the size of a Bluetooth accessory? If only Apple had thought of that for their full sized laptops.

Also, “more useful”? If Dan hasn’t used the device, what point does a statement like this serve? Dan seems to barely tolerate Apple products, and it permeates every frame of the videos.

The writers at MacRumors continue to be consistently great, and always the first place I turn for Apple news. But these videos continue to be far below the standard MacRumors has forged over the years, and I regularly turn to other sites for their video content. In doing that, sometimes I wind up reading their written content as well. Change is needed in the video department, MacRumors, before you lose previously loyal users to sites that take their video content seriously.
 
They crushed it plain and simple.

While Apple launches 2019 MacBooks which are immediately added to a keyboard repair program, year after year after year, Microsoft comes along and sets the form factor of the future.

While Apple launches the 3rd iteration of the iPhone X chassis, Microsoft steals the iPhone 12's thunder 11 months early with the Duo. The iPhone 12 better be something incredible.

The 2019 MBP is in the repair program because the previous iterations were bad, just to give people peace of mind, not because Apple is expecting it to be defective. No outstanding reports of high failures rates so far, unlike previous generations.

I don't expect the hinged dual screens work too well because it is already a tried a failed form factor. Sony did it a long time ago with their tablet P and Kyocera did it with the Echo, back in the early 2010s. Having a bunch of different looking models doesn't mean MS is being innovative if they don't work well. They didn't invent the 2-in-1s nor this foldable form factor. Not sure where you're getting this setting the form factor of the future idea. Samsung's foldable design at least shows some promise once the software is polished up in a few years.
 
Android on their own phone? What a fail. They should have been able to put a flavour of Windows on the phone. Never liked Android, probably never will. Not sure why MS chickened out on this one.

If they release a phone with Windows it will fail like all the other windows phones that came before because of the lack of third party app support. Microsoft even paid developers to make apps when they were launching windows 8 and it didn't work. Regardless of your opinions on Android, it's simply not feasible at this point to create a competitive smartphone without it or iOS.
 
The design challenge for earbuds/earpods is to make them look cool, fashionable and desirable. Negative comments in this thread about Q-Tips, and Guages are an indication of how this challenge is yet to be overcome.

When someone needs glasses there are countless cool and fashionable options available to provide the required functionality of correcting impaired vision or protection from sunlight. This doesn't yet apply to hearing aids, which face the same design challenge as earbuds/earpods. I wonder - could this be a real innovation opportunity for Apple?
 
[From the video] “The WonderBar, which seems to be much more functional and useful than Apple’s TouchBar”.

Once again, Dan From MacRumors is trolling Apple users with baseless, nonsensical clickbait. “More functional”? Really? You mean that a touch area that is literally SIX to EIGHT times larger than Apple’s Touch Bar potentially has more functionality? Shocking! And all Microsoft had to do was shrink the keyboard to be the size of a Bluetooth accessory? If only Apple had thought of that for their full sized laptops.

Also, “more useful”? If Dan hasn’t used the device, what point does a statement like this serve? Dan seems to barely tolerate Apple products, and it permeates every frame of the videos.

The writers at MacRumors continue to be consistently great, and always the first place I turn for Apple news. But these videos continue to be far below the standard MacRumors has forged over the years, and I regularly turn to other sites for their video content. In doing that, sometimes I wind up reading their written content as well. Change is needed in the video department, MacRumors, before you lose previously loyal users to sites that take their video content seriously.

The screen the keyboard is covering is of a 3:2 aspect ratio, therefore the keyboard doesn’t have to be shrunken down to have a taller space left for Wonderbar. More space equals more usefulness, like they’ve showed in the video. May be obvious, but true nonetheless.

I don’t feel like he was biased saying that. It makes sense pointing out the differences with Apple hardware to Apple users.
 
Microsoft is making its hardware look really price competitive for the screen size that you can buy.
 
How so, explain further...

Exactly that. I wish Apple wouldn't have given up on the Mac/MacOS because I'd really prefer to stay in this eco system. But the MBP is getting more horrible, the lightweight 12" MB killed, screens haven't changed in years, keyboards got worse, prices higher. Instead of touch there's the useless idiot touchbar. I am sorry but...
 
Very nice. Love my current Surface Pro. While Tim is out playing politics, MS and Samsung are innovating! Focus on the business Tim and stop playing rock star.

It's undeniable that the mac lineup ran down after countless user complaint about hardware reliability like typing error and a first for the laptop made by Apple
 
I really like the surface laptop 3 in black, it's kinda sexy. Although i prefer MacOS over Windows, the Surface lineup is really good, i wish Apple would give us more options, like MBP 15 without TB, and maybe a bit more affordable?
 
The screen the keyboard is covering is of a 3:2 aspect ratio, therefore the keyboard doesn’t have to be shrunken down to have a taller space left for Wonderbar. More space equals more usefulness, like they’ve showed in the video. May be obvious, but true nonetheless.

I don’t feel like he was biased saying that. It makes sense pointing out the differences with Apple hardware to Apple users.
He’s biased because he consistently rags on Apple design choices as if he were an Android user who doesn’t understand the Apple ecosystem enough to know why certain choices are made. There are plenty of video reviewers in the web who point out stuff Apple could do better, but they don’t do it with such a smug, derogatory air. Dan never feels like he actually likes any of the Apple gear he reviews, and consistently seems to pine for features found in other products.

Also, I can’t imagine that flip up keyboard is as comfortable to use as a full sized keyboard on a MacBook Pro. And since it doesn’t have a trackpad below the keyboard, it needs to have a massive bar above the keyboard for trackpad functionality, albeit in an awkward, less ergonomic location.
 
There will be a lot of haters here naturally, but for years now Microsoft/Google/Huawei events have been far more exciting than Apple events.

what you just said is something most people tend to agree.
 
He’s biased because he consistently rags on Apple design choices as if he were an Android user who doesn’t understand the Apple ecosystem enough to know why certain choices are made. There are plenty of video reviewers in the web who point out stuff Apple could do better, but they don’t do it with such a smug, derogatory air. Dan never feels like he actually likes any of the Apple gear he reviews, and consistently seems to pine for features found in other products.

Also, I can’t imagine that flip up keyboard is as comfortable to use as a full sized keyboard on a MacBook Pro. And since it doesn’t have a trackpad below the keyboard, it needs to have a massive bar above the keyboard for trackpad functionality, albeit in an awkward, less ergonomic location.

Actually, the keyboard is only attached magnetically and can move upward to reveal a trackpad where you would expect it to be. The keyboard is also optional as a software keyboard could be used as well. It’s way better than the Smart Keyboard of an iPad (being more flexible, no clue about feel and size), but probably smaller than an MBP keyboard due to the smaller size of the NEO itself (only guessing).

I’ve watched these videos or heard of that Dan guy, just thought this example was unfair.
 
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Godlike innovation. This, Apple. This. This is what innovation looks like. Not that APFS crap. Not that triple camera crap. Not that FaceID crap. Not that A13 Bionic crap. Not that Swift crap.

I cannot wait to get these and be more productive. Watching two YouTubes videos at the same time. Watching Netflix AND working on a document. This is magic.

Some of the innovation you just mentioned is undoubtedly implemented with some sort of flawed on Apple products.
 
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