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Alright, perhaps it would be better as a comment on it's own and not as a response to yours. Anyhow, I seem to remember that they also had a one month free upgrade for Windows 8, or was it the beta?

In Apple's case cheap or free software adds value to the platform. In Microsofts case, the software is where they make money so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve here. Does the deal include volume licenses for organizations and business as well as individual users?

I think the number of individual users who goes out and buys a shrink wrapped Windows upgrade is pretty low compared to OEM and volume licenses. So if this is limited to individual users it might not make much of a difference, I dunno.



They way it's written it can be read both ways, that there is no cost the first year specifically.

Yes, the way MacRumors wrote it can be taken either way. The way Microsoft put it can't be, as seen in their blog post where they mention supporting devices for the lifetime of the device for no charge.
 
Windows 8 was a disaster in sales and no one updated


Giving away windows 10 is brilliant in that a huge percentage will update and everyone will be up to date

Yea, the disaster that is installed on 20 times more systems than any Mac os.
 
Companies, including apple, steal ideas from others all the time, apple is founded on a stolen idea

If you are alluding to Xerox, Apple was around for seven years before the Macintosh debuted, so "founded on a stolen idea" is -- at best -- inaccurate.

Point is this, giving windows 10 away for free is a smart move

Yes it is. As I said elsewhere in this thread, props to Satya Nadella for making such a bold move.
 
Alright, perhaps it would be better as a comment on it's own and not as a response to yours. Anyhow, I seem to remember that they also had a one month free upgrade for Windows 8, or was it the beta?

In Apple's case cheap or free software adds value to the platform. In Microsofts case, the software is where they make money so I'm not sure what they are trying to achieve here. Does the deal include volume licenses for organizations and business as well as individual users?

I think the number of individual users who goes out and buys a shrink wrapped Windows upgrade is pretty low compared to OEM and volume licenses. So if this is limited to individual users it might not make much of a difference, I dunno.



They way it's written it can be read both ways, that there is no cost the first year specifically.

I believe that they want to simplify their patching process by having fewer OSes that they have to support. It is better for them and for everyone else.
 
I believe that they want to simplify their patching process by having fewer OSes that they have to support. It is better for them and for everyone else.

Yeah, it potentially makes their work easier provided that everyone upgrade, otherwise they are still stuck to commitments to older versions.
 
Yeah, it potentially makes their work easier provided that everyone upgrade, otherwise they are still stuck to commitments to older versions.

They've been pretty good at it thus far.

I don't think that it's about them having to do less work since they'll have to do it regardless of the number of people that use the older versions.

I prefer their approach to Apple's, I can tell you that much.
 
Windows 10 is correcting a lot of the mistakes Microsoft made with Windows 8 and will definitely be a better OS, but there are some things that still concern me. Here are my comments:
  • Microosft still thinks that one OS to rule them all is the way to go. I disagree. Tablets need a different UI. PCs also. Continuitiy is a compromise.
  • There is nothing in Windows 10 in how the user experience as offered by OEM partners will get better. There are no new rules in what comes with a new device. That means that OEMs will continue SPAMing people with their crap.
  • Windows 10 contains nothing to support better quality hardware. Microsoft didn't announce anything in that respect. The Apple experience is much much much better.
  • Microsoft showed us Spartan and its reading list which we have in Safari for years. Or the ability of syncing music playlists on OneDrive. iTunes Match anyone?
  • The tablet compromise is present just because Microsoft had to satisfy internal politics and balance between various teams inside Microsoft. A product should be developed with other goals in mind. Making everybody happy is not one of them..(politics destroy user experience).
  • The best product Microsoft introduced today is the Surface Hub! It will be a great tool for enterprises
  • The Xbox/Windows 10 integration looks cool and will be of value for people with a PC and an XBOX.
  • The Microsoft Hololens seems impressive and it is certainly interesting, but it feels unnatural. A true hologram should be projected in free space and be visible by everybody, without any glass..I guess we are years away from that..#fail
  • Windows Phone looks like an afterthought. There was nothing impressive there.
  • Microsoft showed us nothing in how people will create more quality apps, like the ones seen on OS X. It is interesting to see the difference in quality of OS X applications..

Overall, Microsoft will have a good year with Windows 10, but didn't do anything to up the game...

Your post does come across as anti MS, so lacks credibility. others could write the same anti Apple sruff as well, with bugs, Flat UI, wifi, dumbing down etc

But back to the point, I feel W10 is huge. Partially as its recovering from 8, so preception counts for a lot. It fixes 8, it follows Apple's lead of integration. Cheeky how MS calls it Continuum.... The one OS to cover desktop, tablets and phones is interesting, lets see how that goes. Clearly, the phone OS is NOT the same as the desktop, its the same UI in a dekstop or tablet or phone mode. Whereas Apple has a full OS for desktop and a simple, limited, consumption based OS for the phone and tablet. The Hololens and Surfac screen are innovative, and that adds brownie points to MS, as these are Apple centric innovations.

IMO MS has stepped up from being, well, just MS, to beinga today, modern, innovative OS, unified to the desktop/tablet/phone. In many ways its copied Apple business model, so it will want the app store to push on as thats a weak link. A strong link is computer/tablet/phone/game console all meld together.

Will I get it? No, I moved to OSX a year ago, and I have my ecosystem sorted. But I see MS have made a big stride here, Id see a hit go Google as it comes down to the big two not the big three IMO
 
Free for one year? Is MS really stupid enough to sell an OS that works on a subscription model? Who would buy a computer that has a monthly fee to use?

After the epic failure that was 8, I really thought it was impossible for an MS to do anything even dumber....

The update to 10 will be free of charge in the first year after release. It's not a subscription scheme, just a bonus to early adopters.

And there was nothing wrong with 8 that a minute with Google, and the 8.1 update didn't fix.
 
Giving it away for free is mind blowing and will really impact their bottom line. Unlike Apple, they rely on the sales of Windows. Apple gets their money by selling you the hardware. MS doesn't really do hardware (other then the xbox/mice/surface tablet)

From what I've read, consumer OS sales are a drop in the bucket compared to their business licence sales of Windows and Office.
 
Giving it away for free is mind blowing and will really impact their bottom line. Unlike Apple, they rely on the sales of Windows. Apple gets their money by selling you the hardware. MS doesn't really do hardware (other then the xbox/mice/surface tablet)

I don't think it will be free for OEMs who make up the majority of MS licenses anyway.
 
Free for one year? Is MS really stupid enough to sell an OS that works on a subscription model? Who would buy a computer that has a monthly fee to use?

After the epic failure that was 8, I really thought it was impossible for an MS to do anything even dumber....

Microsoft has clarified its stance on Windows 10. The free offer for Windows 10 is a perpetual license, not a subscription model. The offer for the free upgrade expires after a year following release, not the upgrade license.
 
Giving it away for free is mind blowing and will really impact their bottom line. Unlike Apple, they rely on the sales of Windows. Apple gets their money by selling you the hardware. MS doesn't really do hardware (other then the xbox/mice/surface tablet)

Microsoft is a beast in the corporate world. Windows server licenses are expensive, they own multiple enterprise class software products, and last but not least office, still the industry standard

Add to that their very successful cloud services such as dynamics, and they are set
 
Apple could use a new browser unless they do something to improve Safari, especially after this latest Jony Ive destruction of it.
Safari is terrible now-the layout stinks with everything on top in one line, small bar and having to delete everything even if I just want to only delete history.
Safari keeps hanging on sites and either crashes once a day or gives me the beach ball.
Apple will rue the day they gave Ive so much power. He is removing as much function from the machines to make them ever slimmer and he's a total incompetent when it comes to software which he obviously knows nothing about.

Grow a pair, Cook, and reign Ive in
 
Your post does come across as anti MS, so lacks credibility. others could write the same anti Apple sruff as well, with bugs, Flat UI, wifi, dumbing down etc

Just to get you back to reality here....you ARE on an Apple-enthusiast board and just the stuff you wrote about Apple makes you lose a ton of credibility as well.

Nothing wrong with people discussing both sides of tech in a civil manner but this forum craps on Apple a lot and very often so if someone here wants to crap on Microsoft they shouldn't have to be scolded about it.
 
I don't think it'll mean that much to their profits. Most of the license revenue from Windows is from either OEM installs or annual corporate-level license agreements that already give larger companies the option to run the latest OS. I'd imagine upgrades by individuals or small companies that don't have a subscription is a fairly small piece of the puzzle.

I agree, and that small piec of the puzzle will be buying apps, games, etc for the duration if they stay and get married to Windows. Apple's busines smodel and it works

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Just to get you back to reality here....you ARE on an Apple-enthusiast board and just the stuff you wrote about Apple makes you lose a ton of credibility as well.

Nothing wrong with people discussing both sides of tech in a civil manner but this forum craps on Apple a lot and very often so if someone here wants to crap on Microsoft they shouldn't have to be scolded about it.

A) I am an Apple user.
B) This may be an Apple centric forum but we all know there are non Apple trollers here
C) There are also Apple lovers who like what MS is or is doing. Read the Apple Quality threads
D) There are also Apple users here who are agnostic

I am happy to praise Apple, I am happy to criticise Apple , as many Apple dedicated users are doing of late due to the steady failings. Same for me for MS. I have credibility as I am not married or in love with one or the other, or be a dedicated hater of one or the other. Thats where the credibility is lacking. That is general comment not raised at you in particular
 
If Windows 7 was a patch to Vista, why did it take 3 years to come along?

Because Windows 7 is basically Vista SP1 with a new taskbar and some slight behind the scenes streamlining.

As everyone here is well aware, Vista wasn't very good when it first came out. It was buggy, tended to bog down, didn't have drivers for everything like XP did, and was installed on a bunch of machines that could barely handle it. It was a mess. SP1 pretty much fixed 99.999% of all the problems it had at launch, but it was too late. Vista had already made a name for itself as something to avoid at all cost.

Remember when MS ran that HEY SURPRISE IT'S VISTA ad campaign? Remember how it didn't do crap to get people to buy it? Yeah.

Remember when Windows 7 came out, and everyone was singing its praises to high heaven, though it didn't perform any better than a patched Vista? Yup. It was a reputation patch. A slight update with an entirely different name to separate it from what came before. It obviously worked, because people are still clinging to it to this day, and saying it's the best OS MS has ever released.
 
Google, who dominate smartphones, trying to expand Android up beyond tablets and Microsoft, who dominate desktops, trying to become a serious contender in tablets and phones...

The question is, will Google replace Microsoft as dominant in the desktop world, will Microsoft replace Google as dominant in the mobile world, or will things tick along as before?

IMO MS will become one of the big two in mobile, with Apple. Notn thios week, maybe not next week :) but this two giant companies are computer companies with brand names. If MS hadnt diddled around then jumped into mobile once everybody had bought a phone/tablet it would be sooner. Android appears to be yesterdays news, although it will still be big, given the many and large range of devices, i predict Applea and MS will dominate proceddings in mobile in two to three years. Once the slide gathers momentum, and 5 drop in Android becomes a 10% shift in share. If more manyfactures shift Android to Windows 10 then it gathers momentum.
 
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