But I bet wifi works. Although wifi has always worked. I wish the ecosystem I use would get an old tech to work, so I can stop hearing about Apple wifi isseus all the time. bordering on embarrasing
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But I bet wifi works. Although wifi has always worked. I wish the ecosystem I use would get an old tech to work, so I can stop hearing about Apple wifi isseus all the time. bordering on embarrasing
You must not be in an IT shop supporting Windows.
Funny you should say that. And if MS didn't come with such grand ideas like hiding the search field and the restart button (sadly, both fixed in 8.1), I'd be out of a job.
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What clashing UIs?
One full screen start menu on one screen when needed, desktop applications on both screens.
What clashing UIs?
Two separate sets of apps, one set that runs on the desktop in a window, and another that runs full screen. Two set of multitasking bars for these two separate sets of apps. Two sets of controls and ways to manage these two sets of apps depending on which one you're in. Two control panels, one that works just for the desktop, and another that kinda mixes and matches both desktop settings, and Metro specific stuff. Two sets of..BLARLALRALRLAR!
I kinda like Windows 8, and I know that with a bit of tweaking, you can get it to behave pretty well. But it's hard to deny that MS did some really goofy stupid stuff with it.
Most Windows users don't upgrade to the next version of Windows on the PC that they own, they upgrade when they buy their next PC with the latest version of Windows pre-installed. Windows 8, like Vista before it, has such a bad reputation that many users aren't buying new systems because they'll have to go to Windows 8.
That's worse for business than giving away Windows 10 for free to existing users willing to upgrade. By giving away the upgrade to 10 they are hoping to change the "Windows 8 sucks, hang onto your Windows 7 PC" mindset that has set in amongst consumers and many involved in the corporate IT world.
Windows 8 was an epic failure. If Microsoft can convince a certain percentage of users who dislike Windows 8 to sign onto buying new PC's with Windows 10 pre-installed by offering a free upgrade to Windows 10 for existing users willing to give it a shot then it makes them money in the long run provided that Windows 10, like Windows 7 before it, corrects the problems and bad perceptions associated with its predecessor.
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Microsoft is still operating in the stone age. The OS needs to be free so that people upgrade. Apple figured it out. Microsoft could make a ton of money AND have people upgrade the operating system if they could better capitalize on an appstore and more useful ways of selling their own software.
On topic - everything they've done with Windows 10 is miles ahead of anything they have done with Win 8. It looks fairly good from what I've seen. I'll give it a go on my desktop.
On topic - everything they've done with Windows 10 is miles ahead of anything they have done with Win 8. It looks fairly good from what I've seen. I'll give it a go on my desktop.
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Or, maybe it was his/her comprehensive and analysing faculties.
quite the achievement MS
Same here, this does looks highly intriguing, and damn right cool!
I agree. Windows should act as a gateway into their cloud services, and should always be up to date. Don't give anyone an excuse to fall behind. Make it easy for people to get the latest version of Windows to sign up for Office 365 (or Azure if they're fancy), and all the various Xbox services. They'll probably end up making more money off those than they would on the occasional $120 Windows updates they'd release ever 2-3 years.
Enterprise is always going to subscribe to anything MS offers, and OEMs will always need a license. Let them pay for Windows. Everyone else? Just download it. Different times call for different monetization schemes.
Their tools are superior? You are kidding, right? Just have a look at the apps available for OS X and compare them to Windows. There is a distinct quality difference in almost every app category (but games - Windows is better there).
Let me give you some examples.
I want to find an app equivalent to Omnifocus..Not only based on the feature set, but also based on UI and general polish. AFAIK there is none.
Another example? iFlicks or DayOne, or Tweetbot, iMovie, Aperture, etc..
Windows is a fine OS but apart from MS Office there is nothing there to make me want to use it.
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I didn't refer to any bugs and I don't think my post is Anti-Microsoft. There are definitely some good things in Windows 10, but nothing ground breaking. They are just correcting their mistakes but in a compromising way. Let's not hurt the idiots that thought about Windows 8.
A tablet should stay a tablet. Having a Desktop OS interface on a tablet might apply to some geeks, but for normal people is an abomination..
OSX does have a nice collection of apps I'd love to see on Windows (you should throw Affinity Designer and Pixelmator on that list, by the way), but that doesn't mean EVERY app is better on OSX. Barring those occasional few, most everything in OSX is also on Windows, and works about the same across both platforms.
No, of course not, but a silly thing happened to me some years ago: I couldn't fins such nice apps on Windows. Something was always missing. It could be the UI, or some kind of feature. It's not because the platform is bad. It's because Windows developers do not really care about the things Mac users care. We expect a different kind of polish in applications and Apple knows that. Apple imposes concrete UI restrictions and guidelines, something that Microsoft doesn't do. Apple's tools are cohesive and try to create a continuity between versions, while Microsoft's platform is driven by business drivers. There is a distinct difference to that and as long as this core experience is better on OS X I cannot even think of switching back to Windows.
And something else, that is really subjective though. Am I the only one hating the UI of Windows 8 and 10? Especially in Office 2013 Microsoft did a bad UI job.
If they make their new PC's enticing with faster processors, more memory, and other bonus innovations (meaning they need to introduce a feature we must have) then people will upgrade.
And since others have questioned what the lifetime of a PC is... I'll opinion that it is going to be determined by how long the technology of that machine remains relevant and capable of running the new software.
For example, I have a 15 year old PC that is capable of running Vista, even though it would have come with Windows ME. And it runs Vista fine.
But, it is not able to run Windows 8.x.
But look at the essential technology standstill since approx 2006. Machines produced in 2006 are still quite capable today. If we move up to the Intel core i series, there have been changes under the hood, but nothing that really obsoletes the preceding / first core i series. If we continue on the current path, an aging processor will still be relevant in 10 years. Consider Intel's latest offerings which are not faster, just same speed with a slow setting essentially.
Used to be we went faster and faster. And even offered turbo modes. Now turbo means fast like last years speed, and standard mode is like let's run as slow as we can get away with until we need a touch of nitrous to boost us to yesterday's performance levels.
On this path, a 10 year old machine should have no problems with current / future windows versions.
Now, if Intel releases new processors that make the processors of yesterday suddenly look like a golf cart next to a Lamborghini, and Windows evolves to require that performance, then today's machines might be considered end of life. But Intel doesn't appear headed in that direction. Right now Intel is working on getting us to move from using Lamborghinis, and steering us towards "upgrading" to golf carts.
Really? Just where is MS ahead of Apple in innovation? The only thing I saw from them today that was "innovative" was the hologram glasses and for mass consumers out there they are just plain useless and only geeks are going to find them interesting enough to buy. It remains to be seen if they are going to be of any real use.
OS X is still far ahead of Windows. It's been that way and it will remain that way. I saw so many Yosemite features in the upcoming Windows 10 today. Hmm, doesn't sound like Windows is more innovative if it's still building it's OS's with features that are in OS X.
And heavily upgraded everything else. It's almost like it's not just new paint on an old OS...
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The single OS that reacts to the device type is innovative.
IMO MS will become one of the big two in mobile, with Apple. Notn thios week, maybe not next week
I think Microsoft gave up it's chance to make any dent in the mobile world long ago. Before the iPhone and before Android there were Windows Mobile Smartphones. They sucked of course but Microsoft was in the Smartphone world before Apple and Google and Microsoft (as usual) just didn't understand what customers really want or need and they failed. Also TBH, Microsoft has enjoyed world dominance for much too long and it's good that we as consumers finally have choice rather than being forced to use Microsoft's products.
Samsung and Apple are the major players in Smartphones and I don't see that changing for many years.
This was an April Fools' article that came true:
Microsoft skips 'too good' Windows 9, jumps to Windows 10
Microsoft skips 'too good' Windows 9, jumps to Windows 10
You can hardly call Microsoft stupid when you did not even read the article correctly and came to a conclusion that they are offering an monthly subscription fee.
Maybe Some people on here see different text when the word Microsoft is out in a post.... Dunno... But your comment makes no sense in relation to this article. Your seeing stuff that is not there!!!
I think the different approaches that Apple and MS are taking are really interesting.
Apple creates their OS to be optimized for the UI of the various devices that they sell. Apple focuses on interoperability between different types of devices to make the user experience as seamless as possible when moving between devices. Apple is in the hardware business, so they want you to be buying and moving between multiple devices. OS X for keyboard and mouse/trackpad computers, and iOS for touch devices. Apple strive for seamless integration and interoperability via the cloud and connectivity.
Microsoft seems to be striving for one OS that allows different UIs on the same device. So, in theory, your laptop can convert into a tablet and visa versa. In this way, the user doesn't need to but both a computer and a tablet. Instead, they can have the touch experience with a laptop or desktop device.
In theory, the MS approach might save a consumer from buying 2 devices (tablet and computer), since both touch and desktop features can be found on one device. Of course, using a single device adapted to two different UIs involves compromises and can be problematic and challenging.....the neither fish nor foul dilemma.
Apple creates their OS to be optimized for the UI of the various devices that they sell. Apple focuses on interoperability between different types of devices to make the user experience as seamless as possible when moving between devices. Apple is in the hardware business, so they want you to be buying and moving between multiple devices. OS X for keyboard and mouse/trackpad computers, and iOS for touch devices. Apple strive for seamless integration and interoperability via the cloud and connectivity.
Microsoft seems to be striving for one OS that allows different UIs on the same device. So, in theory, your laptop can convert into a tablet and visa versa. In this way, the user doesn't need to but both a computer and a tablet. Instead, they can have the touch experience with a laptop or desktop device.
In theory, the MS approach might save a consumer from buying 2 devices (tablet and computer), since both touch and desktop features can be found on one device. Of course, using a single device adapted to two different UIs involves compromises and can be problematic and challenging.....the neither fish nor foul dilemma.
You think Apple were the first to give an OS away for free? You can't be that naive, surely...?
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Yeah, as much as I love my iPhone's over the last 4 or 5 years, I could be quite easily persuaded to get a Windows Phone. In fact I think I will anyway, even if it's just as a secondary device.
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Out of interest, what do you find difficult? I manage over 65,000 and it couldn't be easier. I'm just wondering what you are having an issue with...
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I'm not sure what Apple is doing with Siri, other than clearly not enough as Cortana trounces Siri.
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Microsoft isn't going anywhere in the enterprise. Over the last few years people have started to buy cheap crappy Android tablets to do tasks they would normally have done on their PC's (internet/Facebook/YouTube etc), but Microsoft have made it possible since last year to buy a very cheap Windows tablets which are far more useful than an Android tablet. Many even come with Office 365 for a year which is a bargain.
Microsoft know what they are doing. Windows 10 is essential to their plans.
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Yes it has a registry and I've never heard of the registry being prone to corruption when installing/uninstalling software! If there's ever a registry issue, it is because the vendors software has been very badly coded to cause such an issue.
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It's the 10th Iteration of Windows and you forgot to include Windows 8.1...
Yes they were. If you don't like the modern UI then that's fine, but 8.1 fixed the usability issues that plagued 8.0.
I don't get why people complain about the tiles so much. I spend 99% of my time on the desktop and just treat the modern UI as a Start Screen as that is exactly what it is. Granted, I am not a fan of the tiled apps, but the Start Screen is very usable.
I like Windows 10 much better though. It's perfection.
The Idiot of the year award goes to....
LOOL How could you think there would be a sub model for an Windows OS? Are you high? Its free to upgrade to Windows 10 for the first year which is really cool of Microsoft. After the first year people will have to pay the usual upgrade fee.
Monthly sub hahaha how stupid... you really thought that? Are you new to computers by any chance?
