Sounds about right!
But seriously, to have MS weighing in against copy-protection would make a major difference.
But seriously, to have MS weighing in against copy-protection would make a major difference.
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So what would people like to see in the iApp range come Jan. 7 to beat off any Microsoft 'Digital Hub' products?
isn`t that entertainment center just another word for things microsoft is already doing? i mean, what did you expect? ..."cool music app? ah no, apple did that..."
this step is just natural, and by this point it doesn't mean anything.
and please stop always saying microsoft only steals ideas. maybe they do, but i would as well if the other side was as impressive as apple with itunes-ipod, imovie, etc.
only because the apple guys seem smarter and faster it doesn't automatically make competioners give up. who of you expected microsoft to leave the entertainment market to apple? what would you in a bill gates`position do? would you know a totally different approach to a computer that fits the needs of people who just bought a digital camcorder, mp3-player or whatever?
i agree with those who see that only this will bring us more itools, better itools and at least faster macs. (maybe even cheaper macs)
and i don't think this news article necessarily does not fit microsoft's way to copy-protected media. first step for that would be to offer apps that allow you to use these files (at least play them). windows-whatever can't just suddenly come up with a blue box saying "can't open file... .mp3 unknown file-type".
even microsoft wouldn`t.
just keep cool everyone. we're on the bright side, don't we?
this step is just natural, and by this point it doesn't mean anything.
and please stop always saying microsoft only steals ideas. maybe they do, but i would as well if the other side was as impressive as apple with itunes-ipod, imovie, etc.
only because the apple guys seem smarter and faster it doesn't automatically make competioners give up. who of you expected microsoft to leave the entertainment market to apple? what would you in a bill gates`position do? would you know a totally different approach to a computer that fits the needs of people who just bought a digital camcorder, mp3-player or whatever?
i agree with those who see that only this will bring us more itools, better itools and at least faster macs. (maybe even cheaper macs)
and i don't think this news article necessarily does not fit microsoft's way to copy-protected media. first step for that would be to offer apps that allow you to use these files (at least play them). windows-whatever can't just suddenly come up with a blue box saying "can't open file... .mp3 unknown file-type".
even microsoft wouldn`t.
just keep cool everyone. we're on the bright side, don't we?
While I agree with you that the "I hate OS9" idiots are a cancer in the mac community, I must say that as a full-time OS 9 user I get really hacked off with the fact that it crashes at least twice a day. And yes, I do have it set up correctly.
I'm moving to OS X as soon as my new machine arrives this week although i'll still be booting into OS 9 every now for recording purposes. I won't miss the force-restarts.
Originally posted by skunk
urge your compatriots to be less profligate in their consumption of energy...
i agree with you. but everyone on earth uses oil. everyone. we need an alternative energy source that isn't directly tied to the middle east. oil does fund terrorism.
Keep on topic here, the oil/mid east talk should be handled in another thread.
I think it was just a matter of time before MS tried to counter Apple's Digital Hub - they have to see it as the future of personal computing as well. A little competition is a good thing. And I'll be very interested in seeing the software in action when it comes out.
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I think it was just a matter of time before MS tried to counter Apple's Digital Hub - they have to see it as the future of personal computing as well. A little competition is a good thing. And I'll be very interested in seeing the software in action when it comes out.
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this is not the right place for that. anyway i just couldn't leave that unanswered: the reason for terrorism is definetely not that some sheiks do not know how to spend their money in a more peaceful way.
what you're saying is that keeping certain countries from earning money will stop terrorism. this is so stupid and sad that i just thought i'd have to tell you.
maybe terrorism is supported by money made in oil, but saying oil is funding terrorism is not the same! yes we need energy alternatives, for a little different reasons though.
back to microsofts great invention now everyone.
Keep the oil out of this thread.
The problem with Apple is they market a digital hub strategy yet fail to complete the whole picture. They don't have decent sound-out, they can't play .divx files properly without running another app to validate them.
I want to know what a digital hub really is, if you look at avsforums.com and at their digital hubs they specifically DON'T recommend a Mac because of the shortcomings of the hardware.
Apple needs some serious beefups not just cpu-wise in order to compete in the market it started.
The problem with Apple is they market a digital hub strategy yet fail to complete the whole picture. They don't have decent sound-out, they can't play .divx files properly without running another app to validate them.
I want to know what a digital hub really is, if you look at avsforums.com and at their digital hubs they specifically DON'T recommend a Mac because of the shortcomings of the hardware.
Apple needs some serious beefups not just cpu-wise in order to compete in the market it started.
jayscheuerle
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Nice try....
Microsoft is like the geek that shows up late to the party with mismatched socks and tries to impress the ladies with his PDA that he can't get to work while dropping his cell in the punch bowl as he knocks over a lamp. Everybody looks at him trying so desperately hard while miserably failing and just wishes he would leave...
Microsoft is like the geek that shows up late to the party with mismatched socks and tries to impress the ladies with his PDA that he can't get to work while dropping his cell in the punch bowl as he knocks over a lamp. Everybody looks at him trying so desperately hard while miserably failing and just wishes he would leave...
What is so shocking to me is the sheer arrogance on part of the members of this group.
The first dozen thread replies consisted of phrases such as, "MSFT couldn't find an original idea of its own if it **** on its face." Or: "I think it's a nice try by Microsoft but I don't think it will matter much." Or: "blah, blah, blah." Or: "WHO CARES?!"
These comments underscore the very attitude that has gotten Apple into the position it is in today. Trace the Apple snobbishness to 1977 and you will see the root of all today's troubles. If you think that Microsoft's moves are irrelevant, unoriginal, 'blah' or otherwise unimportant, you belong to the Apple of 20 years ago.
Start accepting the massive juggernaut we are up against as a legitimate competitor and deal with it directly, not in some juvenile passive-aggressive way. Who owns 95% of the market?
Grow up.
The first dozen thread replies consisted of phrases such as, "MSFT couldn't find an original idea of its own if it **** on its face." Or: "I think it's a nice try by Microsoft but I don't think it will matter much." Or: "blah, blah, blah." Or: "WHO CARES?!"
These comments underscore the very attitude that has gotten Apple into the position it is in today. Trace the Apple snobbishness to 1977 and you will see the root of all today's troubles. If you think that Microsoft's moves are irrelevant, unoriginal, 'blah' or otherwise unimportant, you belong to the Apple of 20 years ago.
Start accepting the massive juggernaut we are up against as a legitimate competitor and deal with it directly, not in some juvenile passive-aggressive way. Who owns 95% of the market?
Grow up.
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
And this has what to do with having original ideas? Surely you don't think that number has anything to do with innovative products? The legitimacy of Microsoft's competition has little to do with the quality of their products.
Do you understand better now?
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
And this has what to do with having original ideas? Surely you don't think that number has anything to do with innovative products? The legitimacy of Microsoft's competition has little to do with the quality of their products.
Do you understand better now?
jayscheuerle
I think i understand what tgrundke is trying to say. I think he's saying that we sit here and say "who cares" and "its crap" just because we know Apple makes better products. The problem however is that our dismissive attitude is not going to help apples cause. We need to better understand what MS is doing to better educate people to understand that their product is not superior despite their large market share.
We sometimes live in a bubble here and forget that some people don't even realize apple exists as a legitimate alternative.
These people are easily fooled by such things as MS introducing a digital hub. They'll be the people that in 5 years will say "remember how MS revolutionized computing with the digital hub stategy".
I think what tgrundke is saying is that we can't just dismiss this stuff with "who cares" we need to see it as a legitmate competitor to the mac despite the macs superiority and educate people otherwise. In order to win a debate one must be familiar with both sides. How can we argue the macs superiority if we don't want to take the time to see what the competition offers.
I think thats what he meant
And if not , then thats what i make of things
Jayscheuerle: I think you just validated my point with your response.
Instead of poo-pooing Microsoft's competitiveness, we should take the threat honestly and work to counter it. Stop wasting time mocking and start working - that's my point.
Apple spends far too much time patting itself of the back. You and I and everyone else here may not have much respect for Dell and the way they do business, but they are unrelenting sons-of-bitches who at the end of the day come out on top. I wish to God I would see that aggressiveness in Apple that can place us where Dell is today in the marketplace.
Instead of poo-pooing Microsoft's competitiveness, we should take the threat honestly and work to counter it. Stop wasting time mocking and start working - that's my point.
Apple spends far too much time patting itself of the back. You and I and everyone else here may not have much respect for Dell and the way they do business, but they are unrelenting sons-of-bitches who at the end of the day come out on top. I wish to God I would see that aggressiveness in Apple that can place us where Dell is today in the marketplace.
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
And this has what to do with having original ideas? Surely you don't think that number has anything to do with innovative products? The legitimacy of Microsoft's competition has little to do with the quality of their products.
Do you understand better now?
On 1machine I only use audio apps, including protools with digi 001. NEVER crashes.
1 machine mainly used for internetting and gaming.
And 1 for running servers.
Thirteenva:
You've hit the nail right on the head.
The dismissive attitude of Apple supporters is often Apple's greatest double-edged sword. Apple has learned a LOT by paying close attention to competitors like Microsoft in software and Dell in manufacturing and logistics. Apple would never have paid attention to such things before.
We dismiss Windows as "crap" and Windows users as "dumb", and yet many Macintosh users in these forums have little fundamental understanding of why people are happy with their Wintel machines and won't move to Macs in droves.
As an IT consultant I can give reason after reason after reason why 99% of people will *not* switch, and sadly, in many cases it is like a bad relationship: there's just too much history and momentum to break the bond for a greater fear of the unknown. Sounds silly, but for many it is legitimate.
Ever had to work with your 'basic' office paper-pushers? Just moving them from Windows 98 to XP was like forcing them to convert religions. Moving 175 people to Macintosh would be a shift of plate-tectonic proportions.
These are small examples, but I am trying to impress upon everyone that we cannot afford to be dismissive: that is what got us into the position we are in today. Many of Steve Jobs' rather immature decisions made in the early 1980s still haunt us today.
Know thy enemy - no better words were spoken.
You've hit the nail right on the head.
The dismissive attitude of Apple supporters is often Apple's greatest double-edged sword. Apple has learned a LOT by paying close attention to competitors like Microsoft in software and Dell in manufacturing and logistics. Apple would never have paid attention to such things before.
We dismiss Windows as "crap" and Windows users as "dumb", and yet many Macintosh users in these forums have little fundamental understanding of why people are happy with their Wintel machines and won't move to Macs in droves.
As an IT consultant I can give reason after reason after reason why 99% of people will *not* switch, and sadly, in many cases it is like a bad relationship: there's just too much history and momentum to break the bond for a greater fear of the unknown. Sounds silly, but for many it is legitimate.
Ever had to work with your 'basic' office paper-pushers? Just moving them from Windows 98 to XP was like forcing them to convert religions. Moving 175 people to Macintosh would be a shift of plate-tectonic proportions.
These are small examples, but I am trying to impress upon everyone that we cannot afford to be dismissive: that is what got us into the position we are in today. Many of Steve Jobs' rather immature decisions made in the early 1980s still haunt us today.
Know thy enemy - no better words were spoken.
Originally posted by Thirteenva
jayscheuerle
I think i understand what tgrundke is trying to say. I think he's saying that we sit here and say "who cares" and "its crap" just because we know Apple makes better products. The problem however is that our dismissive attitude is not going to help apples cause. We need to better understand what MS is doing to better educate people to understand that their product is not superior despite their large market share.
We sometimes live in a bubble here and forget that some people don't even realize apple exists as a legitimate alternative.
These people are easily fooled by such things as MS introducing a digital hub. They'll be the people that in 5 years will say "remember how MS revolutionized computing with the digital hub stategy".
I think what tgrundke is saying is that we can't just dismiss this stuff with "who cares" we need to see it as a legitmate competitor to the mac despite the macs superiority and educate people otherwise. In order to win a debate one must be familiar with both sides. How can we argue the macs superiority if we don't want to take the time to see what the competition offers.
I think thats what he meant
And if not , then thats what i make of things
Question
Hey where did that movie file come from? I htink it is cool and I wanted to put it up on my site. Who is responsible for it? Who can I get permission from?
~Digital1
Hey where did that movie file come from? I htink it is cool and I wanted to put it up on my site. Who is responsible for it? Who can I get permission from?
~Digital1
Oh, for the love of God, kids.
The debate over whose computer crashes more/less often is so pathetic it makes my head swim.
In normal day-to-day use the Win2000 machines we have deployed crash about as much as my OS X box loaded up with all kinds of crap that I just should not be messing around with.
Point is: Configurations and use differ and no computer (well...true UNIX aside) is 'crashless'. But in the majority of cases, for those who just boot, check mail, type and browse, they won't be blue-screening or kernel panicking all that frequently.
The debate over whose computer crashes more/less often is so pathetic it makes my head swim.
In normal day-to-day use the Win2000 machines we have deployed crash about as much as my OS X box loaded up with all kinds of crap that I just should not be messing around with.
Point is: Configurations and use differ and no computer (well...true UNIX aside) is 'crashless'. But in the majority of cases, for those who just boot, check mail, type and browse, they won't be blue-screening or kernel panicking all that frequently.
Re: Question
Hee hee, if Apple really wanted to get snarky, they'd run that video clip as one of their "Switchers" ads. That's a good one. ;-)
QUOTE]Originally posted by digital1
Hey where did that movie file come from? I htink it is cool and I wanted to put it up on my site. Who is responsible for it? Who can I get permission from?
~Digital1
[/QUOTE]
Hee hee, if Apple really wanted to get snarky, they'd run that video clip as one of their "Switchers" ads. That's a good one. ;-)
QUOTE]Originally posted by digital1
Hey where did that movie file come from? I htink it is cool and I wanted to put it up on my site. Who is responsible for it? Who can I get permission from?
~Digital1
[/QUOTE]
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
Clarification
Yes, Microsoft is a legitimate competitor, not because of their ability to create great products, but for their financial position that enables them to spend oodles of money copying products and then using the monopoly entrypoint of their OS to force such products upon users. They can buy-out patents, take over companies.... but the one thing they can't do is lead. They try to strike out in as many directions as possible (and strike out they do). Keep an eye on the TabletPC that will never catch on. They are decent copiers, but don't have the finesse to avoid tossing in the kitchen sink & creating bloatware.
Beware of Microsoft, but not of their ideas...
- my apologies for my arrogant tone.
Yes, Microsoft is a legitimate competitor, not because of their ability to create great products, but for their financial position that enables them to spend oodles of money copying products and then using the monopoly entrypoint of their OS to force such products upon users. They can buy-out patents, take over companies.... but the one thing they can't do is lead. They try to strike out in as many directions as possible (and strike out they do). Keep an eye on the TabletPC that will never catch on. They are decent copiers, but don't have the finesse to avoid tossing in the kitchen sink & creating bloatware.
Beware of Microsoft, but not of their ideas...
- my apologies for my arrogant tone.
Micro$oft may be stupid but they dont look stupid
Microsoft may very well be cheaters and imitators but to the general public the don't appear that way.
I think that this move by Micro$soft will hurt Apple, heres how:
I know that you don't want to go here again but here we go, Now that the PC side is offering "comparable" software that Apple offers and for cheap why would anybody buying a new computer get an Apple that has a much slower processor!
I know, I know, but that IS how the general public looks at computers.
One of Apples strong points was the Software that came with the OS X, and now that point is not quite as strong as it used to be.
I hate Micro$oft.......and hurry up IBM or Motorola or whoever is supposed to come out with a new processor..................
Microsoft may very well be cheaters and imitators but to the general public the don't appear that way.
I think that this move by Micro$soft will hurt Apple, heres how:
I know that you don't want to go here again but here we go, Now that the PC side is offering "comparable" software that Apple offers and for cheap why would anybody buying a new computer get an Apple that has a much slower processor!
I know, I know, but that IS how the general public looks at computers.
One of Apples strong points was the Software that came with the OS X, and now that point is not quite as strong as it used to be.
I hate Micro$oft.......and hurry up IBM or Motorola or whoever is supposed to come out with a new processor..................
