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Microsoft Edge 89 Brings Vertical Tabs and New History View
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A browser that keeps browsing history?
Shocking! I never knew. How could they have done this to us!!!
Oh no! I found this in Safari too!
A browser that keeps browsing history?
Shocking! I never knew. How could they have done this to us!!!
Oh no! I found this in Safari too!
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Really like with Vivaldi, the true spiritual Opera successor.
Back then, during Presto version of Opera, they was most innovative browser, from tabbed interface, transfer tabs which is allow resumable download like default. I am urge to move from Firefox back then because I hate have too many windows open (Firefox still doesn't have tab feature at that time)
People moving from Chrome to Edge, are like people moving from KGB to the Gestapo
Use Brave. Its Chrome without the Google spy code.
Use Brave. Its Chrome without the Google spy code.
Firefox doesn’t.
And Safari privacy label is available to see regardless if it’s not on the AppStore :
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.
support.apple.com
Yes it is being held to the same standard, and the info is available
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.
support.apple.com
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That’s entirely different from the vendor being able to have that data and that data be linked to you. Or can’t you see that difference?
Firefox can sync history, so if it say data not linked to you, they are lying.Firefox doesn’t.
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And Safari privacy label is available to see regardless if it’s not on the AppStore :
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.support.apple.com
Yes it is being held to the same standard, and the info is available
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.support.apple.com
Btw, if you don't want they see it don't use it, or not login
Yes. In the browser. This is obvious. But this is not what this discussion is about. This is about that browser history being visible to Microsoft and that data being linked to you. That’s not the same thing as in browser history.
You can sync browser history and data without it being either viewable by the software vendor or personally identifiable to you.
Btw, Firefox uses end to end encryption to sync history etc. They don’t see your data. So does Safari for that matter.
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Are you sure? Does Mozilla use a mechanism like in iMessage, so that history always gets encrypted specifically for each destination device?
My big issue with this is that the search keeps getting lost (both in macOS and iOS). Search for something, open a link in a background tab, go back to history. Because opening that link causes history to change (obviously), now your search either gets lost altogether and you need to search again, or it scrolls you to a different place, etc. It's infuriating when you're trying to actually find something you recently looked at.
That, too…
It hurts if you have few tabs open, but helps if you have many. For example, here's just ten tabs:
Starting to get pretty hard to read.
Here's the same ten tabs vertically:
You can see there's room for 18 there, actually, whereas with the horizontal layout, you simply can't fit 18 tabs well.
This is their explanation:
Private by Design: How we built Firefox Sync – Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog
Firefox Sync by default protects all your synced data so Mozilla can’t read it. We built Sync this way because we put user privacy first. How it works is...
hacks.mozilla.org
Buried in a support documentation site is not the same standard. The labels are there to put this information into the forefront of the users app selection process.Firefox doesn’t.
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And Safari privacy label is available to see regardless if it’s not on the AppStore :
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.support.apple.com
Yes it is being held to the same standard, and the info is available
Privacy - Labels
Privacy labels inform you of app privacy practices so you can make better choices. See how apps from Apple handle your data.support.apple.com
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Maybe it seems that way. But safari is not available on the App Store to download, so I suppose the only option is to put it in Safari’s website privacy document. It’s exactly the same info as other vendors need to supply though, so it is the exact same standards I’m afraid.
It’s where the information is displayed that isn’t the same standard.
Every browser maker has web pages about how their browser works, but every browser on iOS/iPadOS except Safari has that information on the App Store, the place where people go to discover and download apps.
Apple don’t seem to have a problem putting other default iOS apps in the App Store. What makes Safari special that it doesn’t get an App Store listing?
The apps in the App Store that are also part of iOS are the ones you can remove. By going to the App Store, you can then reinstall them.
Should Safari also be removable? Maybe. (Does that mean apps that use SafariViewController should break?)
Should Apple simply make App Store pages for all iOS apps? Yeah, I think so.
If the browser is preinstalled, and is actually unable to be uninstalled (rightly or wrongly), why would people even look for it on the App Store?
Perhaps for completeness sake it should be listed, but it isn’t and it is for a logical reason. The info that other apps must display is also displayed by Apples own apps, regardless of this fact. That’s the thing that people deny, and that was the point of my original comment.
Just like with Apple, they don't sell your data. It's used to identify malicious websites, so it's actually a noble endeavor. If you were on Windows, it'd also feed Windows Defender.
I don't know if they want to see it or not, but the data still linked to you.
They don’t need to see your data. It’s got nothing to do with malicious websites. It’s to do with wanting your data. Safari warns me of potentially dangerous sites, as does Firefox, as does Brave. Non of them have access to my browsing history. There is no need for Google chrome or Microsoft edge or any of the others to see my browsing history other than to glean information from it. Non at all.
They can’t see it. That’s the point. If that data is linked to you then it doesn’t even matter does it. If the data is a garbled encrypted mess then it’s not data.
But the fact with Safari and Firefox et al is that even this encrypted mess of data is not associated with you. It’s specifically disassociated with any unique identifiers on safari, and on top of that, with Firefox you can easily set up a sync account anonymously using made up details. You can even host your own sync server!
Microsoft really has no business or need to be seeing what one browses.
Yes... Yes they do need to see the website you're visiting for the malicious website warning to appear. That's..... precisely how SmartScreen works. It takes the URL and asks is xyz dot com on the list? Yes? Load the warning instead.
That's also precisely how Brave Shields works, a company that sells your data by the way and hasn't stripped out all of Google's trackers... which is how they fund Brave Rewards. They send your website data in to compare it against their database before loading the page.
That's also precisely how Firefox Phishing and Malware Protection works... by checking the website against many available lists of malicious websites.
It's also how Safari Safe Browsing works. The data is compared against an online database for malicious websites. Actually, against Google's Safe Browsing Service.
Notice any trends here?