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The wasted vertical space above the address bar, where it uselessly say "new Tab".. like you didn't know you just opened a new tab. That is just bad design.

And on a more personal preferance, I dont like the vertical tabs.

So basically I don't like anything about it :)
I think "New Tab" is an actual tab, showing the New Tab page, it's not a label for another tab.
 
The area of space taken up by vertical tabs compared to horizontal is considerable. I don't really see the trade-off to losing all that space. But hey, choices are good.
I have been trying it all morning.

My biggest initial gripe was that it doesn't increase vertical space. And it doesn't provide more information regarding tab names than the standard tab on the top, until that is, you get a few dozen tabs open and the tabs would have shrunk.

So I wish I could expand the size of the open tray to show longer tab file names, since it can be set to collapse on its own. I'll give it time.
 
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I have been trying it all morning.

My biggest initial gripe was that it doesn't increase vertical space. And it doesn't provide more information regarding tab names than the standard tab on the top, until that is, you get a few dozen tabs open and the tabs would have shrunk.

So I wish I could expand the size of the open tray to show longer tab file names, since it can be set to collapse on its own. I'll give it time.
Apple has limited this to about max 72 characters for Safari (the vertical display option for the bookmarks/reading list segment, history limited to 66 char @1920x1200dpi). How many are there with Edge?
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Them vertical tabs look sure like a waste of space.
IDK - I have the MR forums open full screen right now, and about 20% of the screen is useless empty space on either side of them. Replacing the blank space with tabs on the left and history on the right could be a vastly better use of space...

I also really like the idea of having a hierarchy of tabs - I could just click an X when I'm done with a project and remove all the tabs relevant to it at once...

I wonder if this idea can be taken even further - could tabs, history, and bookmarks be consolidated into a single thing?
 
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(a) Everything old is new again.
(b) So many youngsters now, unfamiliar with the history of this field.

Kids, gather round. Let me tell you of a glorious time known as the year 2000. It was a crazy time, people were just happy to still be alive after the twin terrors of the rapture and the Y2K. The world was buzzing with talk of an exciting new operating system called OSX, with its wild new appearance known as Aqua.

Into this space, Microsoft introduced an exciting new "aqua-inspired" browser for the mac, known as IE5.
And what was one of the headline features of IE5?
You guessed it -- vertical tabs!

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Apple has limited this to about max 72 characters for Safari (the vertical display option for the bookmarks/reading list segment). How many are there with Edge?
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Are you asking how many tabs can be open or how many characters does it show for a single tab? If it's the latter give me a URL and I will tell you where it cuts off.
 
Why?
- Can Edge also synch all bookmarks on all devices (macOS and iOS?)
- Does it block ads as effectively (plug-in) and secure (native script analysis) as Safari?
- After deleting the application, does it leave as much data junk and support data as Chrome, for example?
- It it a MS$ gift without ulterior motives?
- Is it optimized for speed? (new Apple CPU?; Microsoft Visual Studio with Official Apple Silicon Support has only been available since today.)
- What disadvantage with Safari's history view or even their bookmark management should I learn to see?

These are the thoughts you have when you live under a rock ;-)

Well, to be fair, the "synch all bookmarks on all devices (macOS and iOS?)" is more something Apple aspires to than something actually achieved...
It's been a feature for about four years now. And in those four years it's probably worked correctly for a total of three weeks.

There's lots of good stuff in Safari (including Reader Mode and Reading List). it's just a shame that state sync (and related features, like remembering *where* you were reading on a PDF) is such a dumpster fire of incompetence.
 
I use Keychain so I am stuck with Safari. I wish Apple would let us use Keychain inside of Edge/Chrome on Mac since I prefer Edge. They recently added that for Windows. I doubt they will though, since they want us to use Safari.
What are you talking about? Keychain is a standard Mac (and, I guess, though I know less about that, iOS) API. Lots of apps use it.
If Edge and Chrome refuse to, take it up with MS and Google, certainly it's not Apple that's stopping them.
 
How many characters. E.g.

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The tab itself cuts off at the end of Streets, and there doesn't seem to be any way to make it wider. MouseOver shows the whole thing (which I can't seem to screenshot), and the selected tab now gets the entire title where the tabs used to be.

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When not active it either shows the tabs as above, or just the page icon:
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What are you talking about? Keychain is a standard Mac (and, I guess, though I know less about that, iOS) API. Lots of apps use it.
If Edge and Chrome refuse to, take it up with MS and Google, certainly it's not Apple that's stopping them.
yes of course you are right
 
It’s a case of if horizontal tabs work perfect why do you need a worse version vertically. Maybe because it’s a feature of Windows that has vertical options in the Settings app. It is part of the Windows 10 design language...

...the original PC Guy might like it

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Not sure if serious? For screen estate. Laptops and the like you're vertically challenged for usable screen estate, moving it to the side removes that issue. It's the same reason a lot of people (me included) keep the dock on the left or having it auto-hide and the like.

Don't like it? Don't use it. Choice & competition is a good thing.
 
Speaking of history... In Safari, why is history just a menu with an endless list of webpages, just like it was 20 years ago? Say you visited a website 2 weeks ago, there is just no easy way of finding it other than clicking through the menu one by one until you give up. How about thumbnails? How about search? How about organizing them by website?
 
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I started the Dell XPS just now, after 4 fingerprint attempts i launched Edge and was bombarded with a useless and much despiiized aspect of earth, NEWS- news on some jan6th lawsuit i could care about. meaning i had to reformat my options again and again...
does the safaris work on windows 10s?
i guess i should try to sell the dell xps
or use something besides edge
 
(a) Everything old is new again.
(b) So many youngsters now, unfamiliar with the history of this field.

Kids, gather round. Let me tell you of a glorious time known as the year 2000. It was a crazy time, people were just happy to still be alive after the twin terrors of the rapture and the Y2K. The world was buzzing with talk of an exciting new operating system called OSX, with its wild new appearance known as Aqua.

Into this space, Microsoft introduced an exciting new "aqua-inspired" browser for the mac, known as IE5.
And what was one of the headline features of IE5?
You guessed it -- vertical tabs!

explorerbarcollapsed.gif


this was an enjoyable post and i loved the creative and sarcasm, thank you!
 
well, MSFT can add as many cool features as they like, I won't install it on my Macs ... Safari for me and Chrome for the other 5% ...
 
You can answer this very question. You have understood the idea. Apple's App Store does not coincide with the interests of these software distributors.
Browsers want to delineate markets. As far as I know, you can only sync Edge's bookmarks with iOS if you have a Microsoft account.
Well same goes for and Apple ID if you want sync Safari bookmarks.

Also the App Store or not means nothing. There have been reports of a lot of scam apps and apps with security issues that passed Apple reviews. Even Apple their software has security risks hence they update it every two months.

Microsoft is a trillion dollar company that hosts data in Office365 for more than half the world. I trust there security is up to snuff. Also Edge is open source on GitHub. Same can't be said about Safari.

I am a huge Apple fan as well but I can't stand it when people treat Apple as this unique holy god that is the only one that tries to do good for you. It is a company with profit first as their interest. Just like all the others.
 
How do they prevent tracking? That would be welcome news. With Safari it is well known in detail and has been very torn in the advertising market. I haven't heard that about Edge yet.
Do your research before bashing everything.

Edge has full fledges privacy trackers built in. In fact it is one of the best chromium browsers that goes this far with tracker blocking. On top of that you can install third party tracker blockers.
 
I have been trying it all morning.

My biggest initial gripe was that it doesn't increase vertical space. And it doesn't provide more information regarding tab names than the standard tab on the top, until that is, you get a few dozen tabs open and the tabs would have shrunk.

So I wish I could expand the size of the open tray to show longer tab file names, since it can be set to collapse on its own. I'll give it time.

Edit: Never mind about show more vertical space for webpages with vertical tab mode. I guess its to manage tabs..not give more vertical space for webpages as a benefit I initially assumed.

I supposed if I had a lot of tabs opened, then it could make managing tabs easier. (Good thing over the years, I've cut back on how many tabs I open! ;) )
 
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Edit: Never mind about show more vertical space for webpages with vertical tab mode. I guess its to manage tabs..not give more vertical space for webpages as a benefit I initially assumed.

I supposed if I had a lot of tabs opened, then it could make managing tabs easier. (Good thing over the years, I've cut back on how many tabs I open! ;) )
I am still getting used to it. There is this weird delay where you can mouse over and click the page icon and jump to the page without opening the drawer, but if you are a fraction of a second slow it goes through the entire display drawer open and then the close animation. At one point I was repeatedly moving between tabs and had to switch back to the top tabs because it was annoying me. It might be something I have to learn to navigate, but it would be nice if I could make the delay to open the drawer a little longer, or maybe if I could toss a few tabs on the top.
 
I am still getting used to it. There is this weird delay where you can mouse over and click the page icon and jump to the page without opening the drawer, but if you are a fraction of a second slow it goes through the entire display drawer open and then the close animation. At one point I was repeatedly moving between tabs and had to switch back to the top tabs because it was annoying me. It might be something I have to learn to navigate, but it would be nice if I could make the delay to open the drawer a little longer, or maybe if I could toss a few tabs on the top.
I can see how that's annoying. I guess the other option is turn off the auto collapsing of the vertical tabs.

I tried vertical tab with the auto collapsing tabs. Then I resized vertically the window until the number of tabs shown is less than the number of tabs I have opened. I guess then have to scroll through the list of tabs. I guess I'll play around with this..but I can muscle memory-wise and habit-wise, I'll be tempted to turn it back to horizontal tabs. But good to have options.-
 
Vertical Tabs (and Grouping) on the side is a huge improvement. Managing a lot of tabs in Safari & Firefox has always be a PITA. Hopefully they will copy this feature.
Yep. I love it when the tab bar on someone's browser has so many tabs that you can't even read the first word. And they have to cycle through all of this to find the tab they want.
 
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