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Thanks, I didn't see that. Makes total sense.

Lol, does it though????
In your mind- supporting 16-19 year old operating systems defines their current software naming conventions??
Ok, pal. Well, here on planet Earth... while we can't be sure why MS chose this name, we can be fairly certain it's NOT because they don't want people using 16 year old software to ever have to make any changes... lmao.
 
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but here is one possible reason:
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology...ows_version_will_be_called_windows_10/ckwq83x

Code:
if(version.StartsWith("Windows 9"))
{ /* 95 and 98 */
} else {

Of course windows versions are a little more complex that that, but just in case you don't think anyone would code something like that, further down the same thread we find this code search. Supporting legacy apps is such fun.

Yes but why search for a partial string name to get a system version, wouldn't it confuse 95 and 98 as well then, it seems so to me. I saw globalhemp's comment some pages ago and it occurred to me that according to that list this is the 10th Windows release.

Code:
3,    95,    98,  2000,  (ME),    XP, Vista,     7,     8,     10
1,     2,     3,     4,     5,     6,     7,     8,     9,     10

Which perhaps is another reason. Still, they haven't been consistent about this before, so why start now? Perhaps they just want to distance themselves from Windows 8.
 
Holly.. I thought I passed out for all that Win8, Win8 SP3, Win9, Win9 SP3 and when I woke this morning after many years I see Win10... :p

What is going on with the version number? So, I guess next will be Windows Heaven instead of numbers? :D
 
I did set it up on a physical system, a MBP 13" mid 2010 7,1. The system has a 480GB SSD and is upgraded to 8GB RAM.

I needed to create a third data partition first, thus the MBP was running OS X Mavericks and Boot Camp W7. Now it runs OS X Mavericks, Boot Camp W7 and "Boot Camp WX". I did not want the WX preview in a VM thus I want to measure the performance also.

Now, how I works ? I am surprised, quite stable and functional. All devices are supported with my installation and I never had a BSOD. I did install MS Office as well for some testing.

Windows 10 looks like a winner to me. I will most likely install the final version on this MBP. Good job, MS !

P.S. According to Apple, this MBP is not supported for Win 8 / 8.1.
 

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Lol, does it though????

In your mind- supporting 16-19 year old operating systems defines their current software naming conventions??

Ok, pal. Well, here on planet Earth... while we can't be sure why MS chose this name, we can be fairly certain it's NOT because they don't want people using 16 year old software to ever have to make any changes... lmao.


They aren't supporting their old operating systems, they are supporting apps with legacy code in them, which you would know if you actually read the link. Microsoft goes to pretty extreme lengths to not break things...
 
They aren't supporting their old operating systems, they are supporting apps with legacy code in them, which you would know if you actually read the link. Microsoft goes to pretty extreme lengths to not break things...

Microsoft sunsets entire operating systems being heavily used (XP, at the time), but has this crazy vested interest in supporting third party decades old software coded for an OS that they haven't supported for over a decade???

I feel like you're just wanting to argue. Lol.
 
Anyone tried running it on Fusion?
Have it running here in Fusion (gave it 2 cores and 4GB RAM). Installation was really fast (under 20 minutes from start to desktop). There's some minor stuff that needs fixing during setup (like the black screen that happens at one point).

Overall, the "out-of-box" user experience has been much better than Windows 8 where it really felt like a Frankenstein experiment with old versus Metro style apps. The Start menu live tiles (needs some refinement like when moving them around) aren't that bad once you get them customized to your personal preferences.

I copied over some media to see how everything worked without 3rd party stuff. Much better than before. HD videos (x264 encoded in a QT mov container); WMP (which looks out of place now) played them without issues (in the past, I would've had to install QT as well as other CODECS to even get going). Image thumbnails updated quickly in the Photos apps as I copied images to the Pictures folder.

Since I only use Windows for some games (though not in a VM as I'm doing for this tech preview) and really esoteric tasks like Visio, couldn't really say how stable the OS is under higher load. But I had no issues running Office style apps and most other general use programs.

Still plenty of rough edges they need to deal with; like consolidating common functionality which right now, is split between newer apps and old ones. Settings is a good example: newer PC settings versus the older (more detailed) Control Panel. There are also redundant apps (old Windows Photo Viewer versus the new Photos app, Notepad, Wordpad, and OneNote, etc).

The Finance and Weather apps are pretty good (their respective live tiles need work though).

I know the big marketing point they made was "one application platform"; a lot of that really revolves around being able to get application support for mobile tablets and phones from the larger developers that make desktop apps for them. If they execute well on this design, it might become one of their biggest selling points. But it's probably one of those things that sounds good from the marketing perspective, versus the actual issues the developers will face.

It's sort of like the "write once, run anywhere" mantra. The native user experience suffers (as is the case with many Mac apps that were ported this way). A similar situation exists with design when it comes to user input types. Some apps can work well across a wide variety of input methods as is the case with many productivity apps so long as their tool bars and options, make sense with regards to the input type.

Games though are a perfect example where it isn't as easy: something like Hearthstone works well from touch, to keyboard/mouse, to pen, to game controller. A real time strategy game like StarCraft 2, may not translate well to touch though. Then there are actual system requirements/performance envelopes where not everything will actually be universal.

But I guess that's why I'm just trying it out since I want to see how they deal with these. Being completely honest though, I'm actually surprised at how well it runs at this juncture.
 
Microsoft sunsets entire operating systems being heavily used (XP, at the time), but has this crazy vested interest in supporting third party decades old software coded for an OS that they haven't supported for over a decade???

I feel like you're just wanting to argue. Lol.
Microsoft's backwards compatibility is a blessing. Old apps still run just fine on latest versions. Which is much more than OS X can manage.

It makes upgrading OS much much simpler knowing your apps will just work without the need for an update.
 
Kind offtopic here, but do you know of any PC with a trackpad as smooth as the macbook pro? That thing is buttery smooth

Nope. That is the biggest hook Apple has in my opinion.

Multi-touch on a Mac is my heroin.

But I'm hoping someone else makes one just as good soon; I don't want to have to "depend" on Apple should things go south on the Mac like they did for me with iOS. Otherwise, I'll be stuck in older Mac hardware for a while.
 
Windows 10 seems to run faster than windows 8, but the login screen is again enabled by default. I prefer it to be disabled and the way to disable it before was to search for netplwiz, select the username, untick the box on "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer", click Apply, enter and confirm password in the popup, and then click OK.

Unfortunately searching for netplwiz no longer opens it.

You can still run netplwiz though by either:

- manually finding and double clicking it in the folder C:\Windows\System32

- or alternatively, from the start button, click all apps, scroll down to and click windows system, scroll down and click run, and in the popup, type netplwiz and click OK.

Now upon restarting, it will take you straight to the desktop without need to login.

Of course if you ever need to get the login back, just run netplwiz again and tick the box you previously unticked.

I typed "netplwiz" into the search box and it came right up.
 

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Have it running here in Fusion (gave it 2 cores and 4GB RAM). Installation was really fast (under 20 minutes from start to desktop). There's some minor stuff that needs fixing during setup (like the black screen that happens at one point).

Overall, the "out-of-box" user experience has been much better than Windows 8 where it really felt like a Frankenstein experiment with old versus Metro style apps. The Start menu live tiles (needs some refinement like when moving them around) aren't that bad once you get them customized to your personal preferences.

I copied over some media to see how everything worked without 3rd party stuff. Much better than before. HD videos (x264 encoded in a QT mov container); WMP (which looks out of place now) played them without issues (in the past, I would've had to install QT as well as other CODECS to even get going). Image thumbnails updated quickly in the Photos apps as I copied images to the Pictures folder.

Since I only use Windows for some games (though not in a VM as I'm doing for this tech preview) and really esoteric tasks like Visio, couldn't really say how stable the OS is under higher load. But I had no issues running Office style apps and most other general use programs.

Still plenty of rough edges they need to deal with; like consolidating common functionality which right now, is split between newer apps and old ones. Settings is a good example: newer PC settings versus the older (more detailed) Control Panel. There are also redundant apps (old Windows Photo Viewer versus the new Photos app, Notepad, Wordpad, and OneNote, etc).

The Finance and Weather apps are pretty good (their respective live tiles need work though).

I know the big marketing point they made was "one application platform"; a lot of that really revolves around being able to get application support for mobile tablets and phones from the larger developers that make desktop apps for them. If they execute well on this design, it might become one of their biggest selling points. But it's probably one of those things that sounds good from the marketing perspective, versus the actual issues the developers will face.

It's sort of like the "write once, run anywhere" mantra. The native user experience suffers (as is the case with many Mac apps that were ported this way). A similar situation exists with design when it comes to user input types. Some apps can work well across a wide variety of input methods as is the case with many productivity apps so long as their tool bars and options, make sense with regards to the input type.

Games though are a perfect example where it isn't as easy: something like Hearthstone works well from touch, to keyboard/mouse, to pen, to game controller. A real time strategy game like StarCraft 2, may not translate well to touch though. Then there are actual system requirements/performance envelopes where not everything will actually be universal.

But I guess that's why I'm just trying it out since I want to see how they deal with these. Being completely honest though, I'm actually surprised at how well it runs at this juncture.

How did you download it? Oh, using a Windows install in Fusion? I don't have any to spare at the moment. I tried to download it from OSX and it refuses...
 
Nope. That is the biggest hook Apple has in my opinion.

Multi-touch on a Mac is my heroin.

But I'm hoping someone else makes one just as good soon; I don't want to have to "depend" on Apple should things go south on the Mac like they did for me with iOS. Otherwise, I'll be stuck in older Mac hardware for a while.

I LOVE your signature - how completely true. God bless you my dear friend :)
 
They aren't supporting their old operating systems, they are supporting apps with legacy code in them, which you would know if you actually read the link. Microsoft goes to pretty extreme lengths to not break things...
How much of that legacy code is 32-bit and how much is 16-bit? Considering that virtually all hardware that will be running Windows 10 will be running 64-bit Windows (which doesn't support 16-bit Windows apps) taking legacy apps into consideration seems to be a bit suspect.

For the legacy code that is 32-bit, how many of them will run on new systems running Windows 10?

... and nothing prevented Microsoft from using the string, "Windows 09" internally for version description text.
 
Lol, does it though????
In your mind- supporting 16-19 year old operating systems defines their current software naming conventions??
Ok, pal. Well, here on planet Earth... while we can't be sure why MS chose this name, we can be fairly certain it's NOT because they don't want people using 16 year old software to ever have to make any changes... lmao.

It has nothing to do with supporting old operating systems, or operating systems at all. It's to avoid breaking software with code in there left over from the 95/98 period.
 
It has nothing to do with supporting old operating systems, or operating systems at all. It's to avoid breaking software with code in there left over from the 95/98 period.

Look, anybody that is seriously trying to say that something as trivial as the name of Windows can break compatibility with applications is as willfully ignorant & absolutely ridiculous as those that claimed that there was a Y2K bug and we all needed to head for the hills. You guys are embarrassing yourselves; PLEASE stop. It's not cute or endearing... it's wince inducing.

Btw, a lot of apps you use are coded for 19 year old operating systems, are they?? You now, personally, believe that you have even one app.. that 1st runs a check to see if you're running Windows 95/98, before it opens?? You're being silly. Any app built in the last ten years is NOT going to have a special "95/98" mode... don't be absurd. Lol, if you believe that if it was called Windows 9 all your modern apps would turn retarded & try to open in 640x480 windows, thinking that you're on Win 95; I can only assume that you threw out canned food in 2000, because you thought it would rot when the can thought it was 1900!! =P
 
If Microsoft wants everyone to upgrade to 10 then they should follow Apple's lead and release the desktop version for free.
BTW I wonder if I can boot the latest Windows 10 natively on my Mac Pro 1,1 unlike Yosemite which doesn't. Probably not because the quad Xeon's are 64 bit.
Apple can afford to do that, because their revenue comes mostly from hardware. But Microsoft's revenue is software-based for the most part. They may reduce prices, or turn to subscription like their Office suite, but free, not gonna happen.
 
Am I the only one who gets the joke?

Nein in German means no. So Windows Nein/Windows No... it's word play but quite funny I think.

Nein and Neun is pronounced VERY VERY VERY differently - So not funny.

You tried - you failed hard

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Are we talking about the Amiga that was introduced a year and a half after the Macintosh?

Wooopppssss :) I was sure Amiga 1000 was 83

Anyway - The Amiga back then kicked ass compared both to MicroSoft and Apple. Also in sales.

4096 colours on ONE screen :-O :-D
 
One of the really cool features, left out of the list is the application named Asimov, it allows Microsoft to monitor users in near real time…came from the Xbox One...to help Microsoft figure out what user's need from the new OS (which won't arrive till the end of 2015).

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-9-to-Come-with-Real-Time-Telemetry-System-Codenamed-Asimov-460430.shtml

With Microsoft's history of actively working with the NSA:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

I'm sure the NSA is looking forward to Windows 10 as well.

Now, who wants a copy? /s

If you are going to add information on new features and systems, it might be a good idea to to actually inform yourself first. Unless off course, you did that and then deliberatly misrepresented it.

Telemetry has been with windows since the very beginning. What they've done now is implement it more like xbox uses it, which indeed makes the data available at faster pace.

It still is completely anonymous and you can still opt out. In fact, it's a feature that you need to opt IN to. It's activated by default. Perhaps on "home premium" version though, not sure about that.

However, i've never had to manually opt out as "opting out" has always been the default on pro and enterprise editions.

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Apple licensed Parc and improved upon it. Microsoft copied the Mac.

Apple didn't license anything.
Xerox actually tried to sue apple.

Both windows and the mac were inspired by xerox. Don't pretend history didn't happen.
 
Nein and Neun is pronounced VERY VERY VERY differently - So not funny.

You tried - you failed hard

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Wooopppssss :) I was sure Amiga 1000 was 83

Anyway - The Amiga back then kicked ass compared both to MicroSoft and Apple. Also in sales.

4096 colours on ONE screen :-O :-D

But nine in English and Nein in German sound the same which is what he was referring to. Yes a German speaker would say neun but it was just a joke..
 
Look, anybody that is seriously trying to say that something as trivial as the name of Windows can break compatibility with applications is as willfully ignorant & absolutely ridiculous as those that claimed that there was a Y2K bug and we all needed to head for the hills. You guys are embarrassing yourselves; PLEASE stop. It's not cute or endearing... it's wince inducing.

Btw, a lot of apps you use are coded for 19 year old operating systems, are they?? You now, personally, believe that you have even one app.. that 1st runs a check to see if you're running Windows 95/98, before it opens?? You're being silly. Any app built in the last ten years is NOT going to have a special "95/98" mode... don't be absurd. Lol, if you believe that if it was called Windows 9 all your modern apps would turn retarded & try to open in 640x480 windows, thinking that you're on Win 95; I can only assume that you threw out canned food in 2000, because you thought it would rot when the can thought it was 1900!! =P

Lots of software has old code in it. Microsoft recently fixed a vulnerability that affects all versions of Internet Explorer going back to IE 6 (released in 2001). In the Unix world, the recent Bash vulnerability affected every version going back 25 years. Firefox is built off of old Netscape code. OpenSSL supports all kinds of old operating systems and has code left over from the early 2000's.

Codebases aren't purged when they get significantly large because nobody is quite sure whether that will break anything. It's difficult, time consuming work to sift through and figure out what is doing what. Plus, many of the original developers are no longer there, so there's often nobody to consult. That's why Microsoft has to be careful, because they don't know exactly what will happen with 3rd party applications, and possibly their own code.
 
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