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Well, I have to quote you then: No free upgrades at all you said, completely ignoring that every main version of Windows have had a longer lifespan than any OS X versions ever. A lot of the upgrades of Windows through the years - within the same version number - have been anything but minor. We are not talking tiny bug fixes here - several of them have brought more new functionality to the OS - still within the same version number and for free - that your average OS X upgrade.

I also find it interesting that you completely ignore that I burst your bubble by documenting that OS X has only had one free upgrade - ever. That is very different than your 'been free for years' argument.

I have been using both Macs and Windows based computers more or less every single day since the 90s and have a very good overview of the cost related to both when it comes to keeping them updated since that have been a part of my job for years.

Really? Tell me what Windows upgrades that "have been anything but minor" and were given free "within the same version number"? You've repeated that over and over without giving any concrete examples. I demand to see your list. Deliver it NOW.

Mavericks is two generations past Snow Leopard. Mavericks was a free upgrade for Snow Leopard users. That's 2 upgrades right there (you're a Windows troll if you don't know Mountain Lion was in between there and you claim to be a Mac user). 2 upgrades right there. Let me quote you: "OS X has only had one free upgrade - ever". Your bubble is burst, not mine. LMAO!!!
 
Lots of pointless arguing and attempted up-staging... and over what? Chill out for goodness sake, and stop being so completely childish and argumentative.
 
Really? Tell me what Windows upgrades that "have been anything but minor" and were given free "within the same version number"? You've repeated that over and over without giving any concrete examples. I demand to see your list. Deliver it NOW.

Mavericks is two generations past Snow Leopard. Mavericks was a free upgrade for Snow Leopard users. That's 2 upgrades right there (you're a Windows troll if you don't know Mountain Lion was in between there and you claim to be a Mac user). 2 upgrades right there. Let me quote you: "OS X has only had one free upgrade - ever". Your bubble is burst, not mine. LMAO!!!

No, he's quite right, it's still only one free upgrade. The fact it was backwards compatible all the way back to Snow Leopard means nothing. You had to pay for Lion and/or Mountain Lion if you decided to update before Mavericks.
 
Your boastful, aggressive attitude don't help you - noone cares about your "years of experience" or University degree, when you talk down to people as if they're less intelligent or valuable than you are. Why do you feel so insecure that you feel you have to bolster your comments with your earthly "achievements"? Noone cares, to be honest. Please - be nice to people, and pay them due consideration. You're not bowed down to as the source of all knowledge - maybe remember that we ALL have different experiences and skills.

Who has what he wasn't given? You were given knowledge, just as we all are.

Well, i can agree with you up to one point. I did not implied that people are 'less valuable' then me, i don't think i am superior to anyone. I just can't stand to face with statements like 'rock solid', 'modern OS(please, don't start me on windows architecture...)' that's it. If you feel offended in any way, i apologize, this is not my intent. I just don't like this junk of OS and i don't understand one thing: why windows users don't manifest they love on a windows forum? I don't go to windows forum to say 'Apple is so much better'.

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You must have a lot of bills needing several computers for paying ;) .

I respect your opinion, however I have a different experience with Windows. Just don't expect you are the only one who knows something about Operating Systems and IT. You should have attended to some communication training at your University in first place, IMO.

Well, i can agree with you up to one point, and i respect your opinion. If you don't make extensive use of Windows(lots of projects, lots of online materials/documents etc) then you might not get major virus events. So i can agree with you on this point. But as soon as you start to make a heavy use, then it's a mess. I have a lot of computers because i run a business, so go figure :D. I just can't stand to face with statements like 'rock solid', 'modern OS(please, don't start me on windows architecture...)' that's it. Peace

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You do realize that your response is just as "false" as theirs without some sort of details, right? What year did that happen and with what version of Windows were you having viruses "every month?"

I'm not actually disagreeing with you, but people fail to put these kinds of statements into context.

Windows was and still is the dominant OS for computers. As such, it was extremely vulnerable to attacks as it was logical for spammers and those looking to grab data to attack systems where they could benefit the most. No one could have predicted the onslaught of users and hackers that came about as they internet grew.

Do you really think that if Apple somehow "won" the OS wars back in the early 90's it would not have been them getting all of the viruses?

Ive been using Windows as well since it first came out... and had plenty of issues.... but not one virus or major software malfunction in at least 5 years? It's hard to forget the past, but that's what it is, the past... and a pretty distant past in technology terms.

Sincerely,

An equal opportunity MS/Apple Fanboy ;)

Well, i can agree with you up too, and i respect your opinion too. If you don't make extensive use of Windows(lots of projects, lots of online materials/documents etc, heavy internet and cloud usage) then you might not get major virus events, as i already answered to other user. So i can agree with you on this point. But as soon as you start to make a heavy use, then it's a mess. After launch of win8 it was such a devastating attack, that IT's did not adopted the win8 into companies. And it's still not widely adopted because of serious security issues. Just last week i had a major attack that disabled my company firewall and antivirus solution and wiped out entire projects. OUUUUCH. I do have a strong backup policy, but i still lost a lot of in house developed tools, documents etc. So i don't know what is your usage scenario, but for me i try to use only Apple and Linux computers. Unfortunately there are programs that run on windows only, so i have few windows boxes too. Again, i have an issue with statements like 'rock solid', 'modern OS(please, don't start me on windows architecture...)' that's it. I've seen too much and in large organizations, so a wide spread base not just some home used computer, we talk thousands of users here, to take statements like this too serious. :) But yeas, the fact that windows is wide spread makes it more vulnerable, but also it's architectural weakness. Because windows needs to stay compatible with older versions, it's one of the reasons for it's vulnerability. So i think we can agree on this one too. Peace
 
Actually, I would guess that IT departments' hesitation to switch to Windows 8 was based more on user adoption of the UI than any sort of security threat. I can tell you for a fact that this was the only reason my company of 4,000 users will adopt Windows 10 and skipped over Windows 8.

No company wants to deal with a steep learning curve that would have involved expensive training and communication... it's always easier (and cheaper) to keep things "business as usual" in large corporations.
 
why windows users don't manifest they love on a windows forum?

What makes you think that they don't?

I don't go to windows forum to say 'Apple is so much better'.

I'm glad that you don't. A lot of people do, though.

Well, i can agree with you up to one point, and i respect your opinion. If you don't make extensive use of Windows(lots of projects, lots of online materials/documents etc) then you might not get major virus events.

The last big IT-gig I had was for a Fortune 500 with approximately 50000 Windows desktops and 5000-6000 Windows servers. I was there for nine years, no major virus or malware related events. Actually, the biggest security related incident we had was with Slapper, since a lot of our front end web boxes ran Linux.

I guess it's mainly a matter of knowing how to architect your environment for security.
 
What makes you think that they don't?

I'm glad that you don't. A lot of people do, though.

The last big IT-gig I had was for a Fortune 500 with approximately 50000 Windows desktops and 5000-6000 Windows servers. I was there for nine years, no major virus or malware related events. Actually, the biggest security related incident we had was with Slapper, since a lot of our front end web boxes ran Linux.

I guess it's mainly a matter of knowing how to architect your environment for security.

I hear you bro. This is exactly why Microsoft servers runs on Red Hat, because there own product it's a 'rock solid' and 'security issues free' environment. And i also guess that the last list of 20 governments and NATO facilities with hacked Windows servers where because the military don't have specialists. I think they might learn a trick or two from you how to stay without viruses for 9 years. The ONLY windows environments that don't get any virus threats are those with extremely strict security protocols that forbid users to connect to internet. My last facility had a 50000EU(about 70k USD) fine for users who installed software/connected to internet or hooked an external DVD/cd/flash without IT approval. A huge software developer with state of the art security and firewalls and what not. And we still got virused one day never the less with all our protocols and programmers and security solutions developed in house.... One blond chick connected to internet to chat behind our firewalls and kaboooom, all hell got loose. But i do like to hear fairy tales so keep them coming. Peace man.
 
Oh, I'm sure that some users managed to get viruses on their desktops or laptops, but I can't recall a single virus incident within the data centers.

We didn't have any fines on installing stuff on your laptop/desktop, but we didn't give the users any admin rights what so ever, so basically they couldn't install anything, not globally at least.
 
Actually, I would guess that IT departments' hesitation to switch to Windows 8 was based more on user adoption of the UI than any sort of security threat. I can tell you for a fact that this was the only reason my company of 4,000 users will adopt Windows 10 and skipped over Windows 8.

No company wants to deal with a steep learning curve that would have involved expensive training and communication... it's always easier (and cheaper) to keep things "business as usual" in large corporations.

This is correct. The enterprise industry appears to have rejected the "Modern Apps" architecture. This whole "one size fits all" doesn't appear to work as Microsoft expected it would. Windows 10 appears to remove most of the "learning curve".
 
do they think 10 sounds cooler than 9 or is it because 9 (?) is bad luck in some asian cultures

edit: or was it 4? then nvm



its 4, its like 13 for us. i think UK might be 4 to i dont know


im korean american so i know both. but its a bit ridiculous that architects and constructions companies are STILL superstitious.
 
erm..... What happened to 9?

They skipped 9 because of some legacy code in some applications (WIN 95, 98). This would cause compatibility issues if the program detected "Windows 9". A legacy program would think that Windows 9 is either Windows 95 or Windows 98 since the name of these versions of Windows start with "Windows 9".

That and because Microsoft wants to be in the same version numbering as OS X. I guess 10 is the max version of operating systems nowadays. So if you ever hear about Windows 11 or OS XI, then you know that the release will be dramatically different.

I'm still waiting for iOS to reach iOS X. I guarantee you that once it reaches version 10, it will increment by 10.0.1 or 10.1 etc.
 
any company that skips version 9 of Windows, is trying to tell people "We know we stuffed, we should forget it, and so should you" and we are doing this in the hop u will forget as quick as possible.

But MS forget, this is the Internet :) They can't control it.
 
I bought a Windows tablet with 8.1 just to see. And it blows. It works, but it is inconvenient to use. I have a windoze 7 computer at work, so I loaded 7 on my home machine.
No I haven't jumped ship (to Apple) yet. As little as I use a desktop at home, there is no reason to spend the money on an Apple based desktop or laptop. You gotta need something b 4 you buy it - right?
Anyway I think that if they reintroduce the elements that make windows windows, they may be able to sell it again instead of cramming something like windows 8 down our throats.
 
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I love the Mac because of this lol OS X and Windows side by side :) Switcharoo!
 
I bought a Windows tablet with 8.1 just to see. And it blows. It works, but it is inconvenient to use. I have a windoze 7 computer at work, so I loaded 7 on my home machine.
No I haven't jumped ship (to Apple) yet. As little as I use a desktop at home, there is no reason to spend the money on an Apple based desktop or laptop. You gotta need something b 4 you buy it - right?
Anyway I think that if they reintroduce the elements that make windows windows, they may be able to sell it again instead of cramming something like windows 8 down our throats.

8.1 and 7 are basically the same, except 8.1 is significantly faster and much much more secure. You can restore the startup menu with clasisic shell (free) in less than 5 minutes and with 8.1 you can make it boot to the desktop, if you don't like the charms you can also disable them easily.
 
8.1 and 7 are basically the same, except 8.1 is significantly faster and much much more secure. You can restore the startup menu with clasisic shell (free) in less than 5 minutes and with 8.1 you can make it boot to the desktop, if you don't like the charms you can also disable them easily.

Wait. Did you say I can restore win 8.1 to have the classic start button? Please explain or pm me with any info. I'd be forever grateful. Currently I can right click to gert a few of the commands on the desktop page....
 
8.1 and 7 are basically the same, except 8.1 is significantly faster and much much more secure. You can restore the startup menu with clasisic shell (free) in less than 5 minutes and with 8.1 you can make it boot to the desktop, if you don't like the charms you can also disable them easily.

And, as far as secure goes, in 8.1,in Chrome, I cannot get rid of certain pop ups. Adds. They are not in the program section where I can uninstall,I have deleted all of those and still definitely plague me. I use the Microsoft anti virus program.. It,Wes the first thing I imstalled, and have run every security scan possible. Nothing can find or stop those adds. If I close chrome and open again, I can use it for a bit, then they open a new tab and choke my progress. I am free of all problems in 7
 
And, as far as secure goes, in 8.1,in Chrome, I cannot get rid of certain pop ups. Adds. They are not in the program section where I can uninstall,I have deleted all of those and still definitely plague me. I use the Microsoft anti virus program.. It,Wes the first thing I imstalled, and have run every security scan possible. Nothing can find or stop those adds. If I close chrome and open again, I can use it for a bit, then they open a new tab and choke my progress. I am free of all problems in 7

You get popups in Chrome but not IE? Have you checked chrome://extensions/ to see if there is a rogue extension installed? Or chrome://plugins/ to see what plugins you have enabled?
 
You get popups in Chrome but not IE? Have you checked chrome://extensions/ to see if there is a rogue extension installed? Or chrome://plugins/ to see what plugins you have enabled?

I bet you're right. I'll check tonight and follow up.

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I've uninstalled 5 or so rogue programs that self installed. I bet one of those enabled something. I only use chrome on that device.
 
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