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Marky_Mark said:
2. MacOS is a better quality product than any other OS I have used (not just Windows). It is well-presented, well thought-out in terms of interface design, and aesthetically pleasing. The security and stability of the OS is far superior to Windows, and so the maintenance and upkeep of the OS is much easier. To be able to use any other OS, you have to know far more about IT than is healthy for the average man in the street. With a Mac, it just runs and runs.
Funny enough, the people I know who use Windows (and who in another context might even pass for "knowledgable") will completely refute this. Their attitude is that anyone who doesn't aspire for the level or status of power user or über-geek aren't worth the time to consider their opinion on this. Anyone else have this kind of conversation with a Windows geek?

"Windows is just as secure as MacOS if you maintain it and keep up on stuff," they'll say. "What about people just trying to get their work done who don't feel the need to know everything in the world about all the viruses, et al, and the obscure things and tricks you have to do, or even the drudgery of having to make sure all your security software is kept perfectly up-to-date at all times and just want to get their work done?" I'll ask. "Well," comes the inevitable response, "then they really shouldn't be using a computer, should they?"

I, personally, think that any product a person owns should be adequately understood by it's owner. However, you don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car or a computer programmer to use a computer, nor a doctor to maintain your own wellness. And when "what needs to be done" crosses the "common-sense usage" line (as I like to call it) by leaps and bounds, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the product in question.

The point I usually try to drive home to people looking at computer purchases (either first-time users or those "open" to alternatives) is that it really doesn't matter what OS you buy into; as long as it's not Microsoft's OS, none of the rest are aflicted and will require the same effort of maintenance and turf war-style defense.

I'm not going to get into it here except to say that one of the reasons that Mac OS X is as fundamentally good as it is is because of it's open-source heritage. The absurd amount of UNIX-environment development that has gone on since the 1960s and continues unabaited today is what gives us, the computing public, such a robust alternative to Windows. I mean, there's been probably hundreds of thousands of people who have over the years contributed to the development of the UNIX platform. It's an absolute no-brainer when you look at it in this context.

I mean, compare using Mac OS X to using all the previous incarnations of Mac OS Classic. Having used Mac OS since 1986, I can absolutely vouch for the fact that there's never been a more stable OS on a Mac than X. Period, hands down, no questions asked. Even the 3.2/4.1 days weren't as good and stable as almost any version of X.

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DoogieWoogie said:
I did use the Flip4mac uninstaller. If it is a missing codec, its strange that reinstalling QT and WMP didnt work - Can I get codecs from somewhere?
its ok, you can all relax now - it's working. i just uninstalled and then reinstalled QT and WMP. yeah, i can now listen to god (jobs).
 
MikeTheC said:
Funny enough, the people I know who use Windows (and who in another context might even pass for "knowledgable") will completely refute this. Their attitude is that anyone who doesn't aspire for the level or status of power user or über-geek aren't worth the time to consider their opinion on this. Anyone else have this kind of conversation with a Windows geek?
Yep, but it's not just Windows. It's a symptom of having this kind of discussion with any über-geek.

I've had similar issues discussing Linux. I mention that a particular piece of hardware is unsupported by my distribution and the response is "it is supported, you just have to recompile your kernel..."

You even get this to some extent on the Mac side. I remember griping about the higher price of Mac SCSI and video cards, and got several responses along the lines of "buy the PC version and then use this hacking tool to force the Mac firmware into the flash...".

Unfortunately, there's a huge disconnect between hobbyists (who use the computer for its own sake) and the rest of the world (who use the computer as a tool for performing a non-geek task.)
 
shamino said:
Yep, but it's not just Windows. It's a symptom of having this kind of discussion with any über-geek.

I've had similar issues discussing Linux. I mention that a particular piece of hardware is unsupported by my distribution and the response is "it is supported, you just have to recompile your kernel..."

You even get this to some extent on the Mac side. I remember griping about the higher price of Mac SCSI and video cards, and got several responses along the lines of "buy the PC version and then use this hacking tool to force the Mac firmware into the flash...".
Yeah, it's a real laugh-a-minute sometimes in that crowd. They remind me slightly of how things were back in the 1980s inasmuch as they're not a community looking for everything on a silver plater, and that they're willing to roll up their sleeves so they can have something or get something done. Now, I'll give them credit and props for that, but their expectations and culture is (especially among the long-timers) radically different than amongst the communities of more mainstream (read: commercial) operating systems.

I am a user of Linux. I think it's got a lot of potential and all, but what I think needs to happen for it to become more accessible to "normal" users of technology is for the community of it's userbase to reflect the attitudes and needs and expectations found in what, by their standards, is the more "pedestrian" user of technology.

Something I'd love to see for the Mac, for instance, would be a universal updater and installer utility along the lines of Yum or Apt-Get. That way, I can just say "iupdate update all -y" or do the equivalent via a GUI.

Unfortunately, there's a huge disconnect between hobbyists (who use the computer for its own sake) and the rest of the world (who use the computer as a tool for performing a non-geek task.)
Well, that's true and it's probably always been true since professionals started using computers. I'm certain it's not a new phenominon. Take a look at car enthusiasts who will regale you with stories of how they bored out their cylinders and added a larger air intake and cross-connected the phase inducers to the plasma array so that their top-end, which previously was about 125 mph (which was above the legal speed limit anyhow) is now 145, and they just don't comprehend when you ask them "So, you spent $6000 for 20 extra MPH?"

But, hey, what do we know?
 
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