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I posted what I did for the "still wet behind the ears" youngsters, who are apparently unaware of the fact that "app" has been a household word since micro-computers came into existence....

(Everyone thinks history began when they were born.)

I purchased my first PC in 1984 and never saw the term App Store used in reference to an online store until Apple did. We are discussing a Servicemark, and frankly that is all that is relevant.

I did sell an educational program on APEX in 1985. Ok I listed one no one ever bought, their catalog was like the App Store, except it was not an on-line store. That is somehow as relevant ass your excitement about previous irrelevant uses of the word App.
 
The thing to remember is that there are two words for "application". Apple use "application" (with the suffix .app) on OS X. Microsoft uses "Programs" (suffix .exe). Application is linked with Apple, so when they call it the "App Store" it is based on their previous use. "Prog Store" would also not be generic.

Thanks - this one made me laugh. Maybe they should go with Exe Store.

I think there should be no trademark what so ever for generic names (no matter if IN our OUT computer business). Just stupid. Makes me e.g. laugh that (in the US at least) only the company Real is allowed to put "made with Real cheese" on their Pizzas - no other company is allowed to say it is with real cheese (as in not artificial cheese) if it is not the brand name real ... just stupid.

BUT: Microsoft has many of those stupid trademarks and was also enforcing them when convenient (I remember back in the days when every company that had a software with 'explorer' in the name got sued [at least in Europe]). Given that, they should either shut up or give up all their generic names.
 
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You just made up the Handago thing.. I can not find the press release you are referencing..

umm go watch Apple Key notes. Steve Jobs himself did it.

as for the handgo thing I was guesing on the name but go talk with Kdarling he knows a lot more about that than I do. He also knows exactly what the name is. I remember something like it but I never was that big in to palm back then so do not know the name very well off the top of my head.

So again please try to answer my original question.

as for some of Apple own stuff here an article posted here. https://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/12/microsoft-objects-to-apples-app-store-trademark-application/
from it
Microsoft also points to use of the generic term "app store" by the media, consumers, and even Apple CEO Steve Jobs himself in reference to non-Apple stores as evidence that the phrase is generic and should not be accepted as an Apple trademark.
 
MS & Nokia Are A Match Made In Heaven

Both are "has been" whiners who resort to childish legal manuevers to try and stay "relevant". They deserve each other.

And to top it off, Paul Allen comes out on the news today bashing Bill Gates.....just pathetic really.
 
Microsoft is suing homebuilders for offering "Windows" in their homes. Instead, they need to refer to them as "transparent viewing portals".

Apple is suing anyone using fruit-themed logos. Apple is suing anyone using touch screen gestures. Apple is suing anyone for having an online store. Apple is suing the whole feline species and anyone wanting to use felines in any form whether online or other. Apple is planning on suing any company who uses the word "apple" in over 30-40 different contexts. YES.. read up. They're pushing to have "apple" trademarked in fields not even related to computers, digital media, digital entertainment, etc.

Apple is no different at suing people and companies than Microsoft.

App is a generic term. Store is a generic term. Groceries are a generic term. Store is a generic term. Grocery Store is a generic term. App Store is a generic term. Get it? Good. The term "app", short for "application" has been around since the 70s. FACT. It was around before Steve Jobs ego got bigger than the building he occupies now.

I don't blame sheep for whining about this. I blame the system for allowing this sort of stuff to be trademarked in the first place. Apple needs to quit whining about it and start making better products and innovating again.
 
Why does Microsoft care so much? They don't even have an App Store. This isn't their business, if Amazon or other companies want to revolt against Apple patenting the term "App Store", let them do it themselves.
 
I think in the end this only shows MS is very scared of Apple and everything they do. They'll grasp at straws to try and limit Apple's runaway success.

I have no doubt Apple could effectively give MS the App Store name, come up with a new name entirely, which they'll have turned into gold roundabout the same time MS announces they are dropping 'App Store' due to slumping sales. :p
 
Is microsoft trying to use App Store as a name or description??

I've seen people say microsoft isn't trying to use app store as a name but just as a description to the marketplace. is this a known fact? sorry i'm not up on all the details. People keep arguing over the actual microsoft app store being called App Store but it seems like that isn't even the issue?

I think its ridiculous that you couldn't describe your store as an app store... they're two generic terms that can easily go next to each other in a sentence. It's one thing if you capitalize the first letter, but just to say Marketplace- the app store for windows 7 phone or whatever someone quoted earlier... i don't see why they shouldn't be able to.

It'd be like Footlocker not being able to call themselves a shoe store (if that was trademarked --for all arguments sake by the the first ever shoe store to come into existence).
 
Fine! Apple should start adding the generic word 'windows' to their Mac OS... Like Lion windows or Apple OS X windows or Mac windows 10.7... iOS windows 4.3...

Sacrilege I know, but boy will MS hoot and holler and do a lot of what they are doing now...

Whinny, whiners whining a little whine!

MS just wants to add 'app store' to their venture because "Marketplace" worked out so well for them! They just want to ride on Apple's success coat tails and hope people just see 'app store' and bingo... this must be the place!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to wash my mouth out... Don't even think Listerine will get this foul taste out.
 
I have one word for microsoft: Word™

When will this ridiculous point end? :rolleyes:

Apple can trademark "Apple" in the context of computer/electronics - it is not generic in that context. There is nothing stopping me trademarking Apple for a helicopter company if I wanted - it is not generic and is unlikely to cause confusion (helicopters vs iPad, nobody will get confused).

Microsoft can trademark "Windows" in the context of operating systems- the term is not generic. However, I can't trademark the word windows in the context of a hole in the wall that lets light in- it is generic.

Trademarks are all about context- this is why we could see trademarks like windows, pages, numbers, safari, mail, finder, word...

The question here is this- is "App store" generic in the context of methods of delivering software?
 
I feel like this is worth repeating: App is an abbreviation for Application.

If apple called it an "application store" then I'd agree that they shouldn't be allowed to trademark it...

BUT, they called it an "app store". By that logic you shouldn't be allowed to trademark "tv shop". But it might surprise you that it has been trademarked:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=79019298

If the trademark "tv shop" was allowed I see no reason why "app store" shouldn't be.
 
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Really? Coming from microsoft? This can only be a publicity stunt!!!
 
Apple did not TM the term APP they TM APP STORE.
Its not like apple is saying they cannot call their applications apps.
They are saying they cannot call their app store the app store.

Like I said, MS should just call is the WinApp Store, problem solved.

The problem is that Apple also has a problem with a brand+app store naming scheme, as they sued Amazon last week as well for "Amazon App Store."

As for the trademark, the following post and yours can be addressed together so my response is largely to both:

This argument has nothing to do with the term "app" but with the legally given trademark "app store".

The term app store was never used before the release and subsequent trademark approval of apples app store so anybody arguing that the term is generic are just being silly. The whole concept of a trademark is to protect a companies name, slogan etc from becoming a generic term and to prevent that they have to defend against it.

The problem is that the generic term Apple is trying to trademark precisely describes the product itself.

Imagine for a moment if ATT (or Verizon or any other wireless carrier) was the first company to mass market wireless devices in a new way, and they wanted to provide a name for this mass market mechanism. Searching far and wide, they decided upon the name that succinctly described what the mass market method was, and what it provided/sold. Let's say they chose the name "Wireless Store." Would you really want that company to be able to trademark a generic term that describes the very product in question? What would other wireless companies call their stores, if not "Blah Blah Wireless Store?"

That's the same fundamental problem with Apple's trademark claim (which they haven't won yet). Apple chose a term that was already used to describe a piece of software that accomplishes a specific set of tasks. It did not originate a new term, it did not originate a new abbreviation, and it did not supply a new definition to an existing term. Apple used "app" like "app" had always been understood and stuck "store" on the end of it, which is in essence only describing the mechanism of distribution.

Generic terms can be combined to create a valid trademark when the new name is not descriptive of the product being sold. For example, the term "android" had been in existence prior to the development of the mobile OS. However, no one had used the term "android" to describe an operating system before. That trademark is valid because it is original and clearly helps people differentiate products on its own.

With "App Store," it is not clear which app store (or even what type of app store, ie computer or mobile) is being referenced without some kind of identifier. This is exactly how other types of stores operate, and why you'll see "CVS Pharmacy" and "Ron's Pharmacy" instead of just "Pharmacy."
 
App is generic. Store is generic. App store is therefore generic.

Why doesn't Apple just rename it to the Apple Appstore?

Problem solved :)

sure .. or the appapp store for short

it's funny though if you think about it .. app store = generic and successful - hence a decent target .. you don't see them going after safari (explorer .. hmm - who copied whom here?) or quicktime (hardly these days) ..
 
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Hum!!!!
 
Programs or Apps? .app or .exe?

Let’s settle this dispute once and for all. Here are the facts as I know them, not being a lawyer, but a computer user:

1. “.app” has been the file extension for Applications on a Mac since OSX, maybe before.
2. Apple has always named software programs as “Applications” since the Macintosh was introduced.
3. Microsoft has always named them “Programs” or “executables” and the file extension has always been .exe

Is it a coincidence that Apple uses the term “app”? App part of Apple, Applications, and apps, and .app has always been Mac naming conventions.
Programs, executables, .exe has always been Microsoft naming conventions.

Apple is just being consistent with their naming, unlike Microsoft, and of course Google and others are just hopping on the bandwagon with naming them Apps now. Didn’t the USPTO award Apple the phrase, “There’s an App for that” sometime last year?

Apple should be rightfully allowed to trademark “App” and “App Store”. Let Microsoft call their store “Program Store” or “exe Store”.
 
Fine! Apple should start adding the generic word 'windows' to their Mac OS... Like Lion windows or Apple OS X windows or Mac windows 10.7... iOS windows 4.3...

Sacrilege I know, but boy will MS hoot and holler and do a lot of what they are doing now...

Whinny, whiners whining a little whine!

MS just wants to add 'app store' to their venture because "Marketplace" worked out so well for them! They just want to ride on Apple's success coat tails and hope people just see 'app store' and bingo... this must be the place!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to wash my mouth out... Don't even think Listerine will get this foul taste out.

Exactly, they could easily use the name Marketplace App Store and they would be fine. As long as Marketplace preceeds appl store
 
I have one word for microsoft: Word™

A "word" is the smallest free form (an item that may e uttered in isolation with semantic or pragmatic content) in a language, in contrast to a morpheme, which is the smallest unit of meaning. A word may consist of only one morpheme (e.g. so, very), but a single morpheme may not be able to exist as a free form (e.g. the English plural morpheme -s). (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word)

A "word" is NOT a word processor.

An "App Store" on the other hand is a place where someone can buy apps, an app store.

One of these two describes exactly what it is. The other does not. See the difference? The following may help http://strongtrademark.com/
 
Fine! Apple should start adding the generic word 'windows' to their Mac OS... Like Lion windows or Apple OS X windows or Mac windows 10.7... iOS windows 4.3...

Sacrilege I know, but boy will MS hoot and holler and do a lot of what they are doing now...

Whinny, whiners whining a little whine!

MS just wants to add 'app store' to their venture because "Marketplace" worked out so well for them! They just want to ride on Apple's success coat tails and hope people just see 'app store' and bingo... this must be the place!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to wash my mouth out... Don't even think Listerine will get this foul taste out.


A. That would be stupid
B. That joke wasn't funny
 
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