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Actually, could you help me figure out what's so good about the docking station?

Docking stations are a single-click way of adding many ports at once. They are typically heavy immobile blocks which get set on one's desk so the laptop can be "docked" into a setup with external keyboard/mouse/screen. It's a good thing if your laptop is primarily "mobile" so you can carry it from home to work and vice versa.

On the other hand, integrated ports are more useful if you are needing to interface with external devices in a variety of locations.

IMHO, on the Surface they did pretty well. There is a USB3 port, and a monitor port, on the laptop itself (according to their specs sheet), and those are the two ports you are most likely to need in the mobile scenario. Other ports, and duplicates of those ports, are in the docking station so you can one-click into your "main" working environment.

One thing that has always bugged me about Apple is its disdain for the docking situation. Thunderbolt could get us there, albeit with great expense. Some third-parties have put together "docking strips" with all the "male" ends of the plugs inserting at once. But otherwise, we have the situation I live with which is that every day when I get into work I have five things to plug in (power, ethernet, monitor, USB hub, headphones) and when I leave I have five things to unplug. Back in 1998 my Dell laptop was easier to deal with between home and work (other than the fact that putting a Windows laptop to sleep was a Really Bad Idea back then, so after inserting in the docking pad I'd have to boot the computer up).
 
Now, if OS X can be hacked on this thing (so it can be made multiboot), I'll definitely purchase one. I very frequently need Wacom support.
 
Because many of us, who also need vertical screen estate, prefer it to 16:9 or even 16:10.

More vertical screen estate.

So it's all about portrait mode?

W8 is an UI initially designed for big screen televisions and motion tracking input. It is not meant to be on a desktop or a any other WIMP style UI.

This code base had a girdle tied on and dropped into a virtual memory environment with poor consequences.

Windows 9 or whatever they call it will fix this.

And yet it's easy to use on a desktop or a normal laptop.

Docking stations are a single-click way of adding many ports at once. They are typically heavy immobile blocks which get set on one's desk so the laptop can be "docked" into a setup with external keyboard/mouse/screen. It's a good thing if your laptop is primarily "mobile" so you can carry it from home to work and vice versa.

On the other hand, integrated ports are more useful if you are needing to interface with external devices in a variety of locations.

IMHO, on the Surface they did pretty well. There is a USB3 port, and a monitor port, on the laptop itself (according to their specs sheet), and those are the two ports you are most likely to need in the mobile scenario. Other ports, and duplicates of those ports, are in the docking station so you can one-click into your "main" working environment.

One thing that has always bugged me about Apple is its disdain for the docking situation. Thunderbolt could get us there, albeit with great expense. Some third-parties have put together "docking strips" with all the "male" ends of the plugs inserting at once. But otherwise, we have the situation I live with which is that every day when I get into work I have five things to plug in (power, ethernet, monitor, USB hub, headphones) and when I leave I have five things to unplug. Back in 1998 my Dell laptop was easier to deal with between home and work (other than the fact that putting a Windows laptop to sleep was a Really Bad Idea back then, so after inserting in the docking pad I'd have to boot the computer up).

Thank you.

Now, if OS X can be hacked on this thing (so it can be made multiboot), I'll definitely purchase one. I very frequently need Wacom support.

OS X wouldn't support a Wacom pen, no driver support. :\
 
Until the Surface PRO gets LTE, it won't compete with the iPad. If it gets LTE, the iPad will have a legit competitor. I would buy this if it had LTE.

Don't you have a phone which could bluetooth or wifi tether? At least on Verizon's current plans, there is no stupid charge for tethering, so it makes more sense to have one device handle the LTE rather than put that in everything.
 
That would be an iPad Air, which is significantly cheaper to start with.

We keep going over and over this, the S3 isn't the direct rival of the iPad Air, the only product that's remotely similar (purpose, price and spec wise) is the MBA (lacking the touchscreen and removable keyboard).
 
It is a tablet that acts as a notebook. It is both.

you know, there used to be an actual name for this product category...


Slate

These devices used to be called slates. its only the success of the iPad that seems to want to pidgeon hole things into "tablet" or "laptop"

this thing is a Slate computer.
 
I have the benefit of owning a company that doesn't have a bunch of legacy software and hardware that forces us to use MS based products. I understand those people who say the Surface is great because it can run legacy Windows programs, but I'm not going to buy into the comments that it's a great piece of hardware. The v2 I've used just feels wrong - perhaps it is the form factor, but I get the sense that it's like I'm holding (or kick standing) something from the '90's.

And the wide screen doesn't feel right in portrait mode (which I've noted before) and Windows clearly doesn't really want to work in portrait mode either - because it was designed for landscape. So what we have here is another laptop option, one that really does require a keyboard (so no comparing prices of something without to something with) and it also likely needs external storage since Windows eats significantly into the on-board storage.

I say, just buy a nice thin and light Sony laptop if you have to have a Windows only machine, or better yet just get a MacBook Air and bootcamp Windows.

I don't buy anyone who says they use a Surface either without a keyboard or in portrait mode, because if they do, they're doing so reluctantly and for less than 5% of the time they're using it. Or they're kidding themselves or are shills for MS trying to prove a point on an Apple fan website.
 
Apple Needs This

I'm an iOS dev and I own a Surface Pro 1, it is a GREAT machine, the best features being it is a full blown PC running Windows 8 with touch screen and Wacom pen. Basically you can use it as a tablet, a work/productive computer, and a (small) Wacom tablet (for those who like to draw).

The time is right for this sort of computer. There is a market for people who like their tablets and yet need a laptop or desktop to do some more serious work.

An iPad Pro with iPad iOS along with a "switch to" full Mac OS mode, on a machine with a decent removable keyboard (see the Surface Pro's hard key cover) is needed. Basically this machine but iOS+Mac OS on it. Price it at Macbook Air + $200 pricepoint.
 
Note that this is the MacBook Air running OS X. But, more importantly, note that the Surface's headline-priced unit (the one with the i3 anemic processor) gets 64GB of storage, which means ~32GB of usable storage after the OS; the headline-priced MacBook Air ($100 more than the headline-priced Surface Pro, although it includes all the accessories you pay extra for in the Surface) has 128GB of storage, leaving you three times as much usable storage after the OS.

I'm a little leery of Bott's numbers there (I'm not sure what he's including in the Macbook Air's "OS and Apps" calculation, but it seems much larger than on my Macbook Pro), but even if he is 100% correct, you are still dealing with a lot less storage space on the Surface.

Yes, you indeed gets less storage. And you also get a slower processor on the US$ 799 version. But you also get a different product. Microsoft is announcing the Surface Pro 3 as a laptop replacement while still being a tablet. Here are some maths:

11-inch MacBook Air, 4 GB, 128 GB SSD: US$ 899
iPad Air, 16 GB SSD: US$ 499
iPad Air Smart Cover: US$ 39
Total: US$ 1,437

Surface Pro 3, 4 GB, 128 GB SSD: US$ 999
Type Cover: US$ 130
Total: US$ 1,129

Surface Pro 3, 8 GB, 256 GB SSD: US$ 1,299
Type Cover: US$ 130
Total: US$ 1,429

The bottom line is that Surface Pro 3 is indeed expensive, but it is nothing out of this world. There are more expensive laptops out there.
 
How many best selling tablets have a fan? Or are 2+ pounds?

Surface Pro 3 is 1.76lbs. >_>

you know, there used to be an actual name for this product category...


Slate

These devices used to be called slates. its only the success of the iPad that seems to want to pidgeon hole things into "tablet" or "laptop"

this thing is a Slate computer.

That name is poisoned, though.
 
Check your basic facts - the Surface Pro 3 is nearly twice the weight of the iPad Air - how could it be otherwise? The iPad Air weighs in at 478 grams, the SP3 at 800.

This is significant, because most reviews I've read who actually HAD SP3s to play with immediately felt it was much too heavy.


OOPS - my bad - I just saw it was actually a Macbook Air they were comparing the weight too. You can understand how I might have missed that - it doesn't make any sense.

It is a100g more than the first iPad
 
Same as a piece of paper.

Letter-sized paper in the US is 8.5X11", which is a lot closer to 4:3 than to 3:2. 3:2 would be 12.75" long, which is pushing towards legal pad aspect ratio (8.5x14"). Really the closest match for this aspect ratio in the US is "tabloid", which is 11x17, pretty damned close to 3:2.

International A4 paper is 210x297, which is between 4:3 and 3:2, but closer to 4:3 still.

So really, 3:2 is not like what the average person would call a sheet of paper, no matter where in the world you are.
 
The first two generations haven't. I don't see anything in the 3rd that is a game changer. I'm not knocking it as a laptop. And indeed it may take sales away from their OEM partners. But I'm still not sold that you can have one device that is the best tablet experience and best laptop experience. Apple often features the iPad in portrait orientation. I never see Microsoft showing the Surface without the kickstand or keyboard or in portrait mode. If I was a Microsoft OEM I might be worried, but I'm not sure Apple or Google are.

The previous generations really aren't at issue here. Clearly Microsoft was sufficiently encouraged by them to keep developing and refining the product. I'm not sold on Surface either, but I think comparing it directly to the iPad could be a mistake.
 
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