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Then shame on you you had no business buying an iPad in the first place. If you knew you needed a stylus then why would you buy a device without one? But there are workarounds for all three.

I don't think it's up to you to tell me what's my business and what not. Just like it's not up to me to point out your apparent arrogance.

The iPad is a great device for some thing's but I'm pointing just out it's weaknesses for my needs. There should be no shame in that.

Seem's that MS is moving in the right direction here. The question is now if these features serve a large enough group of consumers to make it a success. And MS needs to find a solution to make the OS as safe and stable as iOS.
 
I actually thought the spec bump from the iPad 3 to 4 was a good improvement. It made it faster, the 3 just didn't seem to have the oomph to run the Retina display, IMO. Maybe not a reason to upgrade, but it made the experience better.

I agree (though I didn't feel compelled to upgrade from my 3rd gen iPad). But if I was a Surface Pro 2 owner I might be a little miffed.

The kickstand on the new Surface would make me a bit nervous though. Seems like it's just begging to get broken.

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I am confused. It says the Surface Pro is thinner and lighter but it says it weighs 1.79 kg vs the MacBook Pro at 1.59 kg. Am I misreading?

I caught that too. A typo perhaps?
 
This is a beautiful piece of hardware but now days the battle has more to do with apps/software/services. Microsoft used to dominate software...now it's Apple/Android, oh and Google. MS waited way too long to port their dominant Office software on different platforms.
 
I wanna play

Macbook Air
1. Take device out of bag
2. Puts it on table
3. I wanna play a game
4. Restart computer
5. Bootcamp to windows
6. I need to jot something down
7. Goes back to backpack
8. Pulls out iPad
9. Tell myself, this is 2mm thinner than the last iPad, $700 well spent
10. Takes notes with fat finger because Jobs said we have 10 styluses
11. Goes to MacRumors circle jerk
12. Posts how $5 software is too expensive and he's not buying Office until they make it free, 5 upvotes
13. Posts how Apple is innovative and Samsung always copies, 20 upvotes
14. Posts that only 3 people will buy a Surface this year, 15 upvotes
15. Sits on couch and plays Flappy Bird for the next 2 hours

ROFLMAO! Again! that is so funny. And so true. :D
 
This seems like a good step forward for the Surface Pro. Digital artists are going to love this.
It's impressive that they have the weight down despite it having a larger screen - though it's still too heavy. The iPad Air is the first "big" tablet where the weight has been acceptable to me for long use - though I would prefer it to be even lighter.

I'm so glad they moved from 16:9 to 3:2.
16:9 or 16:10 are horrible aspect ratios for a tablet device. 4:3 seems to be optimal, but 3:2 is a good improvement.
Ideally, it would have been 1920x1440, which would mean that video could be displayed 1:1 rather than upscaled.
One of the main reasons I bought a Pro 2 was because that 1920x1080 screen looked so good when streaming Blu-ray video from my server.
It blows away the iPad or other mobile devices which have to display scaled, transcoded video.

The fully adjustable hinge seems like a good improvement as long as it remains secure over time.
The built-in stand is the thing I am most envious of as an iPad owner. (no, covers are not nearly as good a solution)

I'm glad they have a larger touchpad with much lower friction - the touchpad was absolutely horrible on the Touch Cover 2.
That said, it's still not a glass touchpad, so I still don't expect it to be very good.
Even if it's acceptable to begin with, if it's not glass, it will get worse over time.


Unfortunately none of this will address the biggest issue I had with the Surface Pro 2: Windows sucks when used with a touchscreen.
The touch accuracy was nowhere close to where it needs to be to work well with touch.
I can't think of the last time I ever had to tap something twice on iOS for it to work. With the Surface Pro 2, even after calibration (why is that even a thing) I was often tapping buttons two or more times before they registered my touch accurately.
Metro was fine, but the app selection is so limited that I had no use for it.

Another problem is that this is designed to be used on a desk.
While they may have improved the "lap-ability" of the Pro 3 over the Pro 2, the top-heavy design and flimsy keyboard covers make for a poor experience.
The 12" size and weight is too much for it to be truly portable.
Unless you're doing something which does not require much interaction, you really want a mouse with Windows. It just doesn't work well on your lap in tablet-form.

There are other small details which I'm sure won't have been addressed either:
The headphone output is awful. Loud hissing through any of my headphones, and no support for in-line remotes.
The docking station is a nice idea, but there's no digital audio output (a MacBook has a combined 3.5mm analog/optical output built in) and Microsoft are still using DisplayPort rather than Thunderbolt.

Until the Surface PRO gets LTE, it won't compete with the iPad. If it gets LTE, the iPad will have a legit competitor. I would buy this if it had LTE.
The Pro 2 is available with LTE. I'm sure there will be a Pro 3 model with LTE released in a couple of months as well.

Too heavy at less than 2 lbs.
Seriously guys, how do you function?
There is a difference between being able to carry a device around in a backpack or moving from desk-to-desk, to holding a device one-handed when reading.
And for what it's worth, I have a serious shoulder injury so holding anything heavier than an iPad Air for any length of time causes me severe pain.
I have no problem carrying around or using my 3.5lb Retina MacBook Pro, but I can't use a heavy tablet for any length of time.
It's the same reason that people who primarily use the devices for reading books, prefer an iPad mini or Kindle to the larger tablets.
 
I agree (though I didn't feel compelled to upgrade from my 3rd gen iPad). But if I was a Surface Pro 2 owner I might be a little miffed.

The kickstand on the new Surface would make me a bit nervous though. Seems like it's just begging to get broken.

Time will tell on the kickstand durability. So far I have read that the Surface kickstands have been very sturdy and durable. Hopefully they continue that way. Face it, all of us who love tech get mad when something we recently bought gets updated or a new, improved model comes out. It was terrible in the pre-smartphone days and in the Windows PC market too. Everything was updated on a quicker cycle. No matter when you buy, something better is in the works and just around the corner. We suffer either way, waiting for Apple when the update cycle gets too long, or some of the other manufacturers who update more frequently. I guess it keeps things interesting and the tech forums alive. I like to see new stuff, even if it's something I won't buy.
 
I don't really need this, but I plan to preorder it tonight as soon as ordering goes live.

First, I can transition my Quicken use back to a Windows machine (rather than virtualizing it on my retina Macbook Pro). With Intuit being the worst software company on the face of the earth, the latest Quicken has all kinds of problems under virtualization.

Second, and most important, I need to do my part to keep Apple's competitors profitable. Although I own just about every Apple product out there, I am growing more and more disenchanted with the all-white limousine liberal club known as Tim Cook's executive team, and want to help keep them (relatively) customer-focused by helping to maintain healthy competition.

Go Microsoft!
 
You've been here since 2010, and yet you still can't see a lot of these posts for what they are? Read anything that isn't a topic about an Apple product, you'll find this same type of hatred.

Microsoft, Google and Samsung bring out the worst in people here. :eek: But I think that many here fear Microsoft and Google, Samsung is hated for other reasons.
 
I don't really need this, but I plan to preorder it tonight as soon as ordering goes live.

First, I can transition my Quicken use back to a Windows machine (rather than virtualizing it on my retina Macbook Pro). With Intuit being the worst software company on the face of the earth, the latest Quicken has all kinds of problems under virtualization.

Second, and most important, I need to do my part to keep Apple's competitors profitable. Although I own just about every Apple product out there, I am growing more and more disenchanted with the all-white limousine liberal club known as Tim Cook's executive team, and want to help keep them (relatively) customer-focused by helping to maintain healthy competition.

Go Microsoft!

"all-white limousine liberal club known as Tim Cook's executive team" :confused:
 
To Late for Me

I wish Microsoft had come out with these devices and the software revision in 2012. Now, I am heavily invested in Mac devices: Macbook Pro/Retina, iPad and iPhone and a boat load of OS and IOS software. Oh well..... :apple:
 
CES 2011 was the launch for Sandy Bridge. Most of the Sandy Bridge Mac hardware did not appear until after that. Otherwise the Core 2 Duo models from 2010 hung around for too long.

Early 2011 MBP had Sandy Bridge

Yes, a full OS takes more room and Windows 8 does use more space than OSX, but some of that space can be recovered by deleting the recovery portion. The difference isn't as huge as some here like to make it out. But you are talking about the iPad, and the Surface Pro 3 is more comparable to the MBA spec and performance wise, it just happens to be in tablet form.

MS is saying that this could replace a tablet. So if you're comparing it to a MBA to ignore the storage restraint, then that is a compromise. I could be wrong, but I think Mavericks takes up less space than Win8.

I would guess that Intel had been working on ULV processors for a while before they went into the MBA. The whole mobile market has been shifting in this direction the MBA has been leading the way. Everyone benefits from this, now all pc's are getting better battery life.

Regardless of where Intel was moving they still needed a catalyst to move their tech forward and that was the MBA. People said the same thing about Apple's A7 being 64-bit a natural progression when that's not true. If it were natural progression then Apple wouldn't have beaten their competitors by nearly a year. Likewise we would have seen an influx of Ultrabooks in 2008 when the MBA was first introduced, but Ultrabooks didn't come along till late 2011.
 
I actually thought the spec bump from the iPad 3 to 4 was a good improvement. It made it faster, the 3 just didn't seem to have the oomph to run the Retina display, IMO. Maybe not a reason to upgrade, but it made the experience better.

Going to iPad 4 from iPad 3 was simply a minor spec bump to me. I doubt apple wouldve announced it if it werent for the other products they announced.
 
Going to iPad 4 from iPad 3 was simply a minor spec bump to me. I doubt apple wouldve announced it if it werent for the other products they announced.

It was a minor spec bump, but it noticeably improved the performance IMO. The Retina display bogged down the iPad 3 a bit.
 
This is a beautiful piece of hardware but now days the battle has more to do with apps/software/services. Microsoft used to dominate software...now it's Apple/Android, oh and Google. MS waited way too long to port their dominant Office software on different platforms.

Umm...what?

Just so I understand, you think apps/software/services are more abundant on iOS/OSX/Android than Windows...?

Tell us more.
 
OS X wouldn't support a Wacom pen, no driver support. :\

Well, I'm using Wacom on OS X, although it's an official Wacom device, so there is a driver. On the other hand, Microsoft Surface 3 is not Wacom, but N-Trig. And there is almost certainly no OS X driver for N-Trig. I would bet that you can't make the Surface a Hackintosh, or even if you could hack OS X on the device, the pen wouldn't work.
 
Early 2011 MBP had Sandy Bridge



MS is saying that this could replace a tablet. So if you're comparing it to a MBA to ignore the storage restraint, then that is a compromise. I could be wrong, but I think Mavericks takes up less space than Win8.



Regardless of where Intel was moving they still needed a catalyst to move their tech forward and that was the MBA. People said the same thing about Apple's A7 being 64-bit a natural progression when that's not true. If it were natural progression then Apple wouldn't have beaten their competitors by nearly a year. Likewise we would have seen an influx of Ultrabooks in 2008 when the MBA was first introduced, but Ultrabooks didn't come along till late 2011.

Every device is a compromise in some way. :) We just decide what's the best compromise for our needs. I don't doubt the OSX uses less space than Win8, but how much, I'm not sure. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I will to satisfy my curiosity.

The A7 is cutting edge, no doubt. At the moment it's abilities aren't being used, but they will be at some point. It could have been the same with Intel working on ULV processors, I don't know. Wasn't one of Apple's reason for holding of on the i series processors due to concern about the integrated graphics being powerful enough? Didn't the prior Macbooks have dedicated graphics? Or maybe I've mixed that up.

Actually the Sony Vaio Z was probably the earliest ultrabook, before the first MBA was produced. :)
 
I won't buy it because it doesn't run iOS or OS X... but I have to say, it looks like a nice hardware and I don't think Microsoft has anything to be shame (finally?).

There's one thing that I really love, it's the real 256 levels of pressure pen... I would LOVE Apple to develop one that would work with the iPad the way Wacom stuff work, even if it's in option.

I don't like to use stylus or pen for navigation, to type, play, etc... but to draw and take note, so far I never felt really comfortable with my fingers, because I'm used to write, take note and draw with a pen...

Also, I'd love an iPad Pro 12-13"... that would be an even better size for that matter.

So well done Microsoft, even if I don't buy it and will wait on something similar from Apple :D
 
I am always glad to see msft do well so I hope this does well. I would really like to see them put a bigger dent in the mobile / tablet market. The way I see it is the better msft does the harder aapl has to try.
 
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