What does it matter, human error will always be. There comes a time when computers and OS's just need to be built better to accommodate human error. People here on MR that are more tech savvy and are not the same people outside of MR. The people outside of this place represent a much larger sector and you can't expect everyone to do the right thing.
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What does it matter, human error will always be. There comes a time when computers and OS's just need to be built better to accommodate human error. People here on MR that are more tech savvy and are not the same people outside of MR. The people outside of this place represent a much larger sector and you can't expect everyone to do the right thing.
Yep, ergo they have to aim for the company that sells the most computing devices at 1k$+.
Love it how you downplay the MBA advantages whilst individually listing every sensor on the surface as a feature! Also pretty sure the MBA has a light sensor.
Now, what you didn't mention was performance and usability.
The MacBooks have the best touchpad of any laptop I've ever encountered and their keyboard experience will be much better than that of the surface.
The base MacBook Air will have a faster CPU and much faster storage as well as having 128gb vs 64gb.
Importantly, the surface, if used as a tablet has the downsides of an ultra book (increased weight vs ipad or android tabs, battery life of an ultra book) and when used as an ultra book has the downsides of a tablet (second rate keyboard and trackpad).
As a device, it's still a compromise - it's a decent tablet and a decent ultra book with some usability issues compared to buying both devices separately. Some people would prefer the best in class ultra book AND the best in class tablet, which be attained when these are purchased separately.
If you look at my later post, you'd see that Windows 8.1 showed a .8 per thousand infection rate as opposed to slightly over 24 per thousand for XP.
He didn't price out the base one. :|
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That was my point. Of course they went after Apple.
Exactly, but that wasn't the target of the keynote yesterday. It was about combing your laptop and tablet into one and Microsoft conveniently left out Windows computers and Android tablets and they don't win any brownie points for that.
I doubt that has to do with Windows 8 being more secure. That's most likely about adoption rate being far lower than XP. Also I'm willing to bet that you can take a Windows virus on a pen drive run on it Windows PC and I'll bet the machine will get infected, less the usual popups of finding malware. How about an OS that is immune to that? Sure, OS X isn't "immune" to trojans but it's certainly 100% immune to Windows viruses.
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I don't see the point your making Mike. Aren't there ultabook PC's and Android tablets? Why did MS acknowledge those?
I wanted to provide some proof and I happened to remember that now 5 year old article.
A) So you assume it's because of that based on ...
B) No ultrabook sells as well as the MBA. No single company sells as many tablets as Apple. Heck, people still ask me if my Surface RT is an iPad.
And sadly, still true.
Well you didn't have any concrete proof as to why Windows 8 had far lower infections than XP so unless you do I'm in the position to assume as well as you're in the position to disagree. But come on, XP has been out for more than 10 years and has had years of accumulating users and hackers. Do you honestly think I'm wrong? You can't compare the latest OS to an over 10 year legacy one in terms of security. Windows 8 hasn't had time to prove otherwise.
It doesn't matter how many Macbook Airs are selling against Windows Ultrabooks. The fact remains that Microsoft was touting a solution to combine your ultraportable and tablet into one and they purposely ignored Android tablets and Windows machines.
So are you going to go on record supporting that? I mean, we're all consumers. If you want to support Microsoft for truly making this about Apple and not the consumer well then I can't stop you, but that keynote wasn't about helping the consumer solve an issue. It was about sticking it to Apple and I can't respect that.
You first.
There's nothing wrong with it. It's the absolute truth that Windows has tons of Malware compared to almost zero on OSX and other than gaming, frankly it just plain sucks and most of that are forced to use it and own Macs here know it all too well. I use Windows7 at work and Windows is still Windows, which means it's not a pleasant experience. Frankly, if you're such a Windows fanatic you can't even stand to hear the truth about the platform, why don't you go to a Windows board where you can bury your head in the sand and tell everyone what a pain in the ass OSX is?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Stop posting? You can stop trolling now and go join your other Big Blue brethren at I_don't_give_a_crap.com
Yeah, most of the corporate world uses Windows and that's why companies like Target (which was running WindowsXP embedded as LOTS of companies are still using) keep getting compromised and the public pays for it. They keep using an unsecured, malware-ridden platform that any two-bit hacker can invade and take whatever they want. They make criminal tookits and sell them online for just that purpose. You don't even have to have a brain to hack Windows computers anymore. You just plunk down some bit-coin and they hand you the tools to screw over loads of Windows users at the push of a button while the government plays the "we're too dumb to do anything about it" card over and over. China has just been in the news as having hacked into and stolen all kinds of corporate and government data here in the U.S. and most of these companies don't even know they've been compromised. The NSA is too busy spying on your computer to bother with Chinese Communist thieves and spies.
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8.1 is more secure than 7 or 8, if that means anything
They would have been stupid to attack either Android or their fellow OEMs, by the way. :|
You're not misreading .... They just can't even write a comparison table properly. A previous one was claiming OS X could not handle multiple user accounts.
No, actually it doesn't mean anything. Your statement is just as blanket as my assumption.
And what stake does Microsoft have in regards to Android? Microsoft also has a big relationship with Apple's customers. They just released Office for iPad and One Note for Mac. It makes them look foolish to get people off their Macs and iPads. So tell me exactly how is it stupid for them to attack Android?
See that's the one thing that I can say with conviction, that Apple goes after the problem as a whole and not just one brand. When they went after the Netbook they didn't attack just HP or Dell they went after the product.
You do realize Microsoft could've just pointed out the features of the Surface Pro 3 and how it could beneficial if you have a Vanilla Tablet and a Vanilla laptop. That's not stomping on anyone's toes. It solves a problem for the people that need it rather than blatantly attacking one company. They put forth more efforts in attacking Apple than they did demoing the SP3.
May be. But, in my experience (which I confess is not much), Android tablets have provided a poor experience. Bad software. Android does not have as many apps designed for tablets as iOS does. I might be wrong, but the huge market share of the iPad seems to ratify my conclusions that, as much as the iPad may be limited, Android tablets are probably even less capable.
I feel that one day, one day both tablet and notebook will be combined and become an household standard, it truely seems/feel like the natural progression of tech in this area. Right now I find it intriging to watch the concept morph with each iteration. Lets see what happens with this idea over the next 5-10 years. I do think its a progessive step in the right direction. For this concept to truely be the next best thing IMO, it has to perform in evey bit of a notebook or better and be contained in a conveinent easy to handle Ipad-like package all while still being very much user friendly. That will be the only time I will seriously consider the convenience of having only one computing device in my home.
Since they took a billion dollar write down on RTs, I am guessing you may not see them competing in that part of the market for a while.
I have not really had any issues with Android short of productivity applications like iLife or iWork that would be available on iOS devices. They handle music, browsing, and YouTube without an issue. I admit that I only play Tetris Blitz on my tablet when it comes to gaming.
Then again I would not want to edit a spreadsheet on my tablet the few times I attempted to do so. No fault of the applications. It's an interface and screen space limitation from my experience.
Surface Mini sounds like it was pulled at the last minute to be respun for later.
Isn't the number being per thousand a ratio? So lower adoption rates wouldn't necessarily factor in if it's a ratio, versus just a straight number. Those are pretty impressive numbers IMO for Win8 being quite secure.
I'm not lacking for any tablet apps on my android tablet. The truth is that almost all apps which support tablets have dual phone/tablet interfaces in the same app. There are many of these but since Google doesn't publish numbers on this, Apple provides numbers for apps which ONLY have a tablet interface - which is the vast minority and numbers are in the hundreds or very low thousands. It's totally dishonest and misleading for Apple to quote these figures. Either way, android tablets have far greater touch applications available to them than surface does.
In addition to this android tablets have the following features:
1. Full support for USB and Bluetooth keyboards and mouse.
2. Applications and users have full access to the file system with many good file managers
3. Support for wired and wireless game pads and other USB accessories.
4. USB host support for accessing hard drives and USB keys
5. Expandable storage with sd cards.
6. More comprehensive multitasking support.
7. Some allow for multiple apps on screen at once.
8. Pressure sensitive stylus support
9. Apps are much less locked down with apps like emulators available.
And many more.
Samsung is a big Android OEM, and Microsoft would love if they made Windows Phones. You don't get that if you insult them, or at least you might not. That's just one example.