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I love my Surface Pro 3.

This is coning from someone who has owned numerous MBPs in the past. When I saw the SP3, I knew I was getting this over any MBP or Air. I have not regretted that decision.

Good to hear.
When my current MBP bites the dust I'm switching to the SP.
I recently switched from IPhone to Galaxy s5 and I LOVE IT!
Apple is stagnant.

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I always wonder how these companies classify and prioritize their bug fix lists.

It seems everything Apple releases these days is half-baked. Have they ironed out the bugs in Maps or Siry yet?
 
Good to hear.
When my current MBP bites the dust I'm switching to the SP.
I recently switched from IPhone to Galaxy s5 and I LOVE IT!
Apple is stagnant.

Last night, I decided to move some websites that I run to a new server. I had probably 30 tabs open between two copies of IE running and FileZilla to ftp the files to the new server. I also had the Cpanel open for both servers as well as WHM on both as well. The computer didn't slow down or run out of RAM once on it's 4GB.

When I was getting ready to import the databases, I stopped to think for a second about if I could do this on my SP3 thinking for a second I was my iPad. I laughed at myself as soon as I realized how funny that was and imported the database with no problems.

I did all of this in tablet mode with a mouse connected and no keyboard. I actually enjoyed the entire process and it was fun to do on my SP3. I've owned this for an entire month now and still love it.
 
For the most part, I think. Though I don't use them very much, others may disagree with me.

The map issues weren't really bugs, more back-end data deficiencies. Most of them have been filed by now, though not everywhere.

As for Siri, I don't find any of these systems, by any company useful, so to many they are all broken ;-).
 
Lame idiots! It's not (only) the hardware that made me switch to Mac/iPad, it's the virus/updates infested Windows and the goddamn touch tiles (aka Metro) on a Desktop machine. No, I don't want to run zillion updates a day to protect my utterly slow Windows machine (thanks to its bloated registry). No, I don't want to my finger my laptop screen to death to open some crippled .Exe, which will then instantly tell me to install some latest and greatest .NET framework crap, because the old one is insecure... No, I don't want to plug in some USB cable to sync my music, or some outdated VGA cable to project a presentation (AirPlay is such a luxury). No, I don't want to hunt the web for the latest hardware driver, because some game tells me it won't start or runs as slow as ****... :mad:


In short, it's the overall seamless user experience on a Mac and iDevices that we users fall in love with. Get it M(color tiles)! :D

Besides, what's the point getting a Surface <X> RT? No x86 Application will run on it. Gahhh, Microsoft is such a stressful experience... :rolleyes:

This is the thing that the bean counters never will understand!
The integrated software hardware experience on the mac, well it just works.
And not having to deal with viruses ...(not as much)
I'll stay on the mac.
It's a cool idea for people that love windows though.

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The map issues weren't really bugs, more back-end data deficiencies. Most of them have been filed by now, though not everywhere.

As for Siri, I don't find any of these systems, by any company useful, so to many they are all broken ;-).

siri is fun to play with and you can ask it for phone #s for restaurants or what have you..or directions to wherever..hands free stuff

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Or charge $5 for a hug and get a free Surface Pro-3 :p

Or how about a free hug and I'll pay $5 for them to keep the surface pro 3:)
 
The map issues weren't really bugs, more back-end data deficiencies. Most of them have been filed by now, though not everywhere.

As for Siri, I don't find any of these systems, by any company useful, so to many they are all broken ;-).

I only really use Siri to play music at night when it's plugged in, "Hey Siri, play..." Or once in a while to set a reminder if I'm driving along and think of something.
 
Yeah, I am always amazed at the amount of patches on Windows. OS's are so complex that people are always finding holes.

It isn't that they hammer you with dozens upon dozens of patches every week. Normally, you only get one or two things sent through Windows Update, usually a malware definition update, or some little hotfix or other. Nothing too bad. Most of the heaviest patching tends to happen during the first couple of months after at the release of a new OS, but after that, it pretty sane.

The biggest problem is that these updates accumulate over time, and MS doesn't offer the latest and greatest patched version of Windows as a download. When you go to install it, the first time you boot to the desktop, you see that you can have upwards of a 120 updates waiting for you. It can sometimes take HOURS to get through them all, which is, very obviously, a massive pain in the ass. It's easily one of the things I hate most about Windows.

This is the one thing I'm hoping the fix the most with Windows 10. From what I've seen, that might just be doing that, since the way 10 updates now, it looks like they're doing rolling releases, rather than the classic versioned OS scheme.
 
It isn't that they hammer you with dozens upon dozens of patches every week. Normally, you only get one or two things sent through Windows Update, usually a malware definition update, or some little hotfix or other. Nothing too bad. Most of the heaviest patching tends to happen during the first couple of months after at the release of a new OS, but after that, it pretty sane.

The biggest problem is that these updates accumulate over time, and MS doesn't offer the latest and greatest patched version of Windows as a download. When you go to install it, the first time you boot to the desktop, you see that you can have upwards of a 120 updates waiting for you. It can sometimes take HOURS to get through them all, which is, very obviously, a massive pain in the ass. It's easily one of the things I hate most about Windows.

This is the one thing I'm hoping the fix the most with Windows 10. From what I've seen, that might just be doing that, since the way 10 updates now, it looks like they're doing rolling releases, rather than the classic versioned OS scheme.

My statement was meant to be cumulative, as in, like you describe in your second paragraph. Reloading a PC after a while and you have over a hundred patches to apply.

It's too bad MS doesn't do combo updates or release service packs more often to include the latest updates.
 
My statement was meant to be cumulative, as in, like you describe in your second paragraph. Reloading a PC after a while and you have over a hundred patches to apply.

It's too bad MS doesn't do combo updates or release service packs more often to include the latest updates.

My third paragraph addresses the hope of that. I think it all depends on the market scheme MS decides to use for 10. If they go the free for consumers/charge for enterprise route, they'll likely keep the latest version of Windows on their servers, much like they do with Office365. This would fix one of the biggest bugbears I have with Windows all in one fell swoop.
 
My third paragraph addresses the hope of that. I think it all depends on the market scheme MS decides to use for 10. If they go the free for consumers/charge for enterprise route, they'll likely keep the latest version of Windows on their servers, much like they do with Office365. This would fix one of the biggest bugbears I have with Windows all in one fell swoop.

I wonder if it would be sustainable for MS, as a primarily software company, to give their OS away free. Whereas Apple relies mainly on hardware sales to maintain its business.
 
I wonder if it would be sustainable for MS, as a primarily software company, to give their OS away free. Whereas Apple relies mainly on hardware sales to maintain its business.

MS seems to make most of their money from Windows off OEMs and enterprise. If they continue to charge those sectors, but give consumers an easy way to upgrade, it'll guarantee everyone has the latest version without costing them much out of pocket.

Any losses they net will be more than made up for through their various subscription services. These days, software is very quickly becoming more about the cloud than the platform, so it makes sense to make the entry into their ecosystem as painless and simple as possible.
 
Ah, the Surface. This thing is almost there. MSoft is getting closer and closer.

They really need to fix their App Store. Once they get that sorted (and they seem to be attempting to with Win X), this thing would be real iPad/Macbook competition.

C'mon, Mr. Nadella. Work it until it's great.
 
MS seems to make most of their money from Windows off OEMs and enterprise. If they continue to charge those sectors, but give consumers an easy way to upgrade, it'll guarantee everyone has the latest version without costing them much out of pocket.

Any losses they net will be more than made up for through their various subscription services. These days, software is very quickly becoming more about the cloud than the platform, so it makes sense to make the entry into their ecosystem as painless and simple as possible.

I'd love to see them give away Windows to the consumer for free, like Apple does with OS X now.

Though, I'm not big on subscription services and actually canceled a few various ones I had this year to save money. The only subscription I kept was for Evernote Premium. I hope the next version of Office for Mac will be sold outright and not just as a subscription.
 
The biggest problem is that these updates accumulate over time, and MS doesn't offer the latest and greatest patched version of Windows as a download. When you go to install it, the first time you boot to the desktop, you see that you can have upwards of a 120 updates waiting for you. It can sometimes take HOURS to get through them all, which is, very obviously, a massive pain in the ass. It's easily one of the things I hate most about Windows.


The windows 8 to 8.1 update issues shows MS is still miles behind applein the "just works" department. I had 4 machines to update and it was time consuming and certainly would discourage a non tech consumer. Also the transition from skydrive to one drive caused massive file duplication. Iin this sense i am discouraged to see 10 on the horizon-especially since it offers no benefits
 
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The windows 8 to 8.1 update issues shows MS is still miles behind applein the "just works" department. I had 4 machines to update and it was time consuming and certainly would discourage a non tech consumer. Also the transition from skydrive to one drive caused massive file duplication. Iin this sense i am discouraged to see 10 on the horizon-especially since it offers no benefits

To be fair though. buying a new Mac is no different with regards to updates.

I frequently wait weeks to months before doing any updates on my Mac because the updates often take time and then having to restart after and closing apps that I have been using for the past few days.

I am still using Mavericks on my Mini because I don't see a benefit to using the newest OS release and it takes a lot of time to upgrade.
 
Almost never use my laptop at a table. The kickstand ain't doing it for me.

Do you have one or are you assuming? Because I'm the same way and I'm finding the new setup to be perfectly fine in almost any position. On the couch, in bed, on the plane. Legs straight or folded. It actually might be more flexible than many laptops, especially Apple ones which have very slippery bases and hinges that don't fold back very far.
 
Almost never use my laptop at a table. The kickstand ain't doing it for me.

I never use my laptop on my lap, which proves nothing. I would love to know what actual usage patterns are. I dont know why anyone would work on their lap unless they had to--but I think some people enjoy laptop sofa work. Their is really no answer
 
I wonder if it would be sustainable for MS, as a primarily software company, to give their OS away free. Whereas Apple relies mainly on hardware sales to maintain its business.

Out of their 16 billion dollar businesses of 2013, only one was actually Windows. I think they'll be fine. ;)
 

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It isn't that they hammer you with dozens upon dozens of patches every week. Normally, you only get one or two things sent through Windows Update, usually a malware definition update, or some little hotfix or other. Nothing too bad. Most of the heaviest patching tends to happen during the first couple of months after at the release of a new OS, but after that, it pretty sane.

The biggest problem is that these updates accumulate over time, and MS doesn't offer the latest and greatest patched version of Windows as a download. When you go to install it, the first time you boot to the desktop, you see that you can have upwards of a 120 updates waiting for you. It can sometimes take HOURS to get through them all, which is, very obviously, a massive pain in the ass. It's easily one of the things I hate most about Windows.

This is the one thing I'm hoping the fix the most with Windows 10. From what I've seen, that might just be doing that, since the way 10 updates now, it looks like they're doing rolling releases, rather than the classic versioned OS scheme.

That's it too. Can't stand that. The OS gets updated too often and you can never get a new machine with the latest and greatest release installed already. Had that happen with an Asus laptop I bought. It was updating for about a half a day, no joke. Ugh. :rolleyes:

Apple is perfect either though. Their hardware is kind of overpriced and there is some good software and games that you just arent running on a Mac.
 
It isn't that they hammer you with dozens upon dozens of patches every week. Normally, you only get one or two things sent through Windows Update, usually a malware definition update, or some little hotfix or other. Nothing too bad. Most of the heaviest patching tends to happen during the first couple of months after at the release of a new OS, but after that, it pretty sane.

The biggest problem is that these updates accumulate over time, and MS doesn't offer the latest and greatest patched version of Windows as a download. When you go to install it, the first time you boot to the desktop, you see that you can have upwards of a 120 updates waiting for you. It can sometimes take HOURS to get through them all, which is, very obviously, a massive pain in the ass. It's easily one of the things I hate most about Windows.

This is the one thing I'm hoping the fix the most with Windows 10. From what I've seen, that might just be doing that, since the way 10 updates now, it looks like they're doing rolling releases, rather than the classic versioned OS scheme.

That is one thing that can take forever. System reload to Windows 8 and then a ton of updates, then 8.1 and then more updates. Sure glad I was able to make a usb install of the current OS so I can avoid that in the future.
 
That is one thing that can take forever. System reload to Windows 8 and then a ton of updates, then 8.1 and then more updates. Sure glad I was able to make a usb install of the current OS so I can avoid that in the future.

One thing I used to do but have gotten out of the habit of recently was clone my Windows partition to a little external drive after I did a big install and got everything ready to roll. If I ever had something blow up on me, I could run Gparted off a thumb drive, plug in the external, and copy everything over again in about a fraction of the time it'd take to install everything fresh.

But I've gotten computer lazy over the last couple of years, and my experimenting with Linux and Macs have shown me how things should be. Linux distros are almost always up to date when you grab one off the internet, and OSX rolls out point releases every so often. MS is the only one who doesn't provide updated releases. Yeah, you got the Service Pack updates, but they only come out every so often, and you can only get those if you have a key for them.

There's no excuse for that these days. If some little Linux distro can keep their OS up to date, MS can.
 
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