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I'm really unsure what your argument is here.

My argument is perfectly clear, consistent, and very simple: First, Office is far less necessary for most people and businesses than you and others have argued. Second, that the subscription model may cause more people and businesses to seek out alternatives. Third, these alternatives exist, and using them instead isn't any impediment to running a business. My experience with this is relevant, because I am speaking from experience. How Microsoft views the world is of no interest to me.
 
You can already do that with iWork. Anyone can access and edit a document using the web interface.
For very simple documents, yes. The web interface for things like iWorks and Google Docs is severely limiting. The iOS and web version of Pages is nothing more than "WordPad". Love OSX Pages though.
 
Right, and most people don't actually need Macs or iPads. But if MS is offering them something compelling enough for them to plunk money down for, then hey, why not consider it? It's not so much about their being alternatives as much as it being a good product in its own right.

Sure, but I think we've all pretty much agreed that the 365 model is biased towards multiple users and platforms. The person or business or non-profit that doesn't have those needs or uses isn't getting a deal, they are really just getting increased costs. Microsoft is counting on customers not even considering the possibility that they don't have to be locked into Office and paying Microsoft whatever they decide to charge. That's a monopoly rent situation, but fortunately it's escapable. What surprises me is the amount of blowback I get for even suggesting that a person can run a real business without Microsoft Office. That's just weird, especially coming on a board populated by Mac users.

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For very simple documents, yes. The web interface for things like iWorks and Google Docs is severely limiting. The iOS and web version of Pages is nothing more than "WordPad". Love OSX Pages though.

I'm not a fan of the new versions of iWork, especially the Mac versions. I've stuck with the old versions on the Mac. But the point is, you can share these documents across platforms, and it is yet to be seen whether the iPad version of the Office apps retain much functional parity with their desktop equivalents.
 
Sure, but I think we've all pretty much agreed that the 365 model is biased towards multiple users and platforms. The person or business or non-profit that doesn't have those needs or uses isn't getting a deal, they are really just getting increased costs. Microsoft is counting on customers not even considering the possibility that they don't have to be locked into Office and paying Microsoft whatever they decide to charge. That's a monopoly rent situation, but fortunately it's escapable. What surprises me is the amount of blowback I get for even suggesting that a person can run a real business without Microsoft Office. That's just weird, especially coming on a board populated by Mac users.

Depending on how you're set up, that is it's biggest advantage. Office 365 is going platform agnostic. You get the subscription, and you can exchange documents without risking any potential issues to any device that can run Office (which, as of this release, is everything except for Android, and I'm sure it's coming soon).

That's really what it has over iWork, which works just as well across devices that can run it, but is Mac specific. If someone wants to get that same level of compatibility out of it, they'll have to go with an Apple geared office setup, which would likely end up being more expensive up front than a 365 subscription would be over time.

For some people, it will be more expensive. For others, it'll be considerably cheaper. Like anything, it depends upon what you need.

As for people not considering alternatives, well hell, that's a problem all companies would love their customers to have, Apple included. They have the mindshare, and they're gonna capitalize on it. I can't fault them for it, so long as they don't become outright abusive about it.

Though I won't give you or anyone else any flak over suggesting alternatives. I can think of plenty of instances where someone investing in Office would be complete overkill, and iWork would work just as well for them, if not better, considering it's ease of use. All that matters in the end is that the money your spending is appropriate to the overall value the product provides you. For people who do need it, the 365 sub is not a bad deal in the least. You're getting quite a bit for the money, and gaining access to services that aren't offered by any other suite.
 
Depending on how you're set up, that is it's biggest advantage. Office 365 is going platform agnostic. You get the subscription, and you can exchange documents without risking any potential issues to any device that can run Office (which, as of this release, is everything except for Android, and I'm sure it's coming soon).

Maybe, kind of, sort of. Just make sure you never use any fonts that you aren't 100% certain that everyone else who might look at your document has installed. Deal killer for me, because I always do.

That's really what it has over iWork, which works just as well across devices that can run it, but is Mac specific. If someone wants to get that same level of compatibility out of it, they'll have to go with an Apple geared office setup, which would likely end up being more expensive up front than a 365 subscription would be over time.

For some people, it will be more expensive. For others, it'll be considerably cheaper. Like anything, it depends upon what you need.

As for people not considering alternatives, well hell, that's a problem all companies would love their customers to have, Apple included. They have the mindshare, and they're gonna capitalize on it. I can't fault them for it, so long as they don't become outright abusive about it.

Though I won't give you or anyone else any flak over suggesting alternatives. I can think of plenty of instances where someone investing in Office would be complete overkill, and iWork would work just as well for them, if not better, considering it's ease of use. All that matters in the end is that the money your spending is appropriate to the overall value the product provides you. For people who do need it, the 365 sub is not a bad deal in the least. You're getting quite a bit for the money, and gaining access to services that aren't offered by any other suite.

Again, kind of. The newest version of iWork is dual platform, free, and includes online viewing and editing. Not a lot of gearing up required there. Unfortunately iWork is a bit of an afterthought for Apple at this point and the disastrous new desktop version of Pages has me concerned about the future of these apps.

Sure, every company would like captive customers, but that doesn't mean we have to volunteer to be captives, let alone tell other people that they are non-serious if they aren't begging to be captive too. I've got a real problem with that, going back to when I was told almost daily that I was a non-serious person for using a Mac.
 
During my research into Office 365 subscriptions, I discovered that they offer a university deal for students, faculty, and staff... $79 for 4 year subscription. That's for one PC/Mac and one tablet. I'm not a fan of subscriptions for software but $20 a year is not bad.

Yeah that's not too bad. Maybe I'm missing it, but it seems like their marketing never mentions it... Maybe they want people to pay more?? Who knows.
 
Since office is free on the iPhone, I will download the iPhone version and run it at 2X mode. I read somewhere that somebody tried it and will see for myself. I need to edit docs but not enough to warrant a annual subscription.
 
Yeah that's not too bad. Maybe I'm missing it, but it seems like their marketing never mentions it... Maybe they want people to pay more?? Who knows.
I actually had a hard time finding it on their website. It was only by doing a google search on "office 365 university" that I found it.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-office-365-university-2013-FX102918415.aspx

My 1 yr subscription card arrived this afternoon ($65 on Amazon)... installed Office on my iMac, Lenovo Ultrabook, wife's Macbook Pro (3 of 5 computers) and each of our iPads. (Surface 2 already came with Office 2013).

I created a document with a somewhat complex layout (more suited for Publisher) in Word:mac. (originally done in Pages, love Pages!) Saved it to OneDrive. All of our other devices displayed the document perfectly (except the iPad which was slightly off due to a mismatch in fonts)

So far I'm impressed. It is going to be handy to be able to use any of our devices to view and edit our core docs.
 
I've been using Citrix's Quickedit (formally Office2) for long time now. It works and allows dropbox among others, No subscription and edits Microsoft formats very well. Check it out:

https://itunes.apple.com/app/citrix-sharefile-quickedit/id364361728

And I'm horrified to read the reviews from the iTunes store. I was about to suggest to one of my consulting customers that she use Office2 instead of the new MS Office for iPad, because her company uses Dropbox and not OneDrive; but now I see that it appears that Citrix has ruined Office2 in the manner similar to what Google did to Quickoffice! BOO!
 
Do you want to get Office for Mac 2014? You are going have to pay again a lot more than 99 bucks. Do you want the next office version after that? Do you want office on any other PC or mac? Even more dollars or 99 bucks per year.

If you only have the cheapest version of Office only for one mac and you don't care to upgrade often then I can see your point.

I likely will not upgrade to 2014.
 
Anyone heard when the Office 365 "Personal Plan" will be going live?

It entitles you to 1 Computer and 1 Tablet licence along with 20gb OneDrive storage.

Currently on the Home Premium free trial so want to cancel the trial and switch before getting charged. The personal plan will he perfect for my needs, and it's only going to be $6.99 in the US I believe.
 
Garbage. I'll stick with iWork or Google Docs. I just need the basics on iPad anyway.

Full functions for $99 is too steep. This is from a guy who's still running Office 2007 Student Edition.
 
Free, or not free, that is the question...

You still need a subscription to Office 365 to make these apps of any use of editing...

That tells my, no way......

Word processing on an iPad just seems strange anyway, i mean we have MBA's, we are talking light here...... The fact people want it really light compared to an MBA for a better full version of Office ?

Now' we're just splitting hairs.
 
This is the new Microsoft under Satya Nadella, not afraid to be a true software vendor for ALL platforms instead of "protect Windows at all costs" mentality that Ballmer fostered. Understandable since Windows was always Ballmer's baby since day 1. But Nadella is Mr. Cloud(having run Azure) and he could really care less about the OS/Devices part.
 
Apps look absolutely great. I'd rather use it than anything else.

Office 365 subscription required? Absolutely foolish.

If they were trying to save the 30% Apple tax, they'll get 100% of nothing instead.

Office is not indispensable. They needed to make it competitive.

Damn it, Microsoft. Wasted opportunity.

If they made it free to existing serial holders of the latest version of Office for Mac/Win, then it would also protect their ecosystems outside of mobile devices, and also make Win/Mac more compelling vs. Google's free offerings, thus protecting their investment in the enterprise space.
 
Apps look absolutely great. I'd rather use it than anything else.

Office 365 subscription required? Absolutely foolish.

If they were trying to save the 30% Apple tax, they'll get 100% of nothing instead.

Office is not indispensable. They needed to make it competitive.

Damn it, Microsoft. Wasted opportunity.

Microsoft wasn't going to charge the single-time amount that the average person would pay. No, there was no chance of it being 20-30$ per app in the store. And it isn't even like they're getting around the 30%.

Also, for some people it is very much worth paying 100$ a year for being able to install it on 5 computers.
 
Would jump at this IF I could somehow integrate the MS Office 10, running on my work computer, into the Office 365 world, available on my iPad etc. Since I can't - no real point. Surely there must be literally millions out there who would come to the same conclusion?

Sincere question that - not a dig in the slightest - just seems to me that as wonderful as the possible benefits of 365 are, if you are running the 'other' package on a work desktop - then why would you want to 'buy-in' to 365?
 
Would jump at this IF I could somehow integrate the MS Office 10, running on my work computer, into the Office 365 world, available on my iPad etc. Since I can't - no real point. Surely there must be literally millions out there who would come to the same conclusion?

Sincere question that - not a dig in the slightest - just seems to me that as wonderful as the possible benefits of 365 are, if you are running the 'other' package on a work desktop - then why would you want to 'buy-in' to 365?

What do you mean integrate?
 
If I type up a document on my work pc, using Office 2010 (Enterprise) - does that link/sync to my iPad's Office 365 app? If it does - then I would purchase 365 today. If it doesn't - then it's not integrated?

If you use OneDrive then you will see the document on your iPad too. I think that real time collaboration doesn't work between the two (editing the same document at the same time from an iPad and Office 2010/3).
 
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