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Microsoft Looks to a Future of H.264-Based HTML5 for Web Video Content

It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with Adobe.. Microsoft is finally taking the leap and adapting to the web standards just like browsers like Firefox, Safari and Chrome.. and now Microsoft.. It took them long enough..

http://www.webstandards.org/
 
macUser2007 said:
We all know that video content will move away from Flash.

Flash know this, and it has implemented H.264 support.

But for all the other stuff that Flash does, and HTML5 can't do, or can't do time and cost-efficiently, Flash is here to stay.

No matter what Steve tells you.

The sad part is, H.264 is also proprietary, and they WILL start charging for it in a few years, once they've sold it well to the mass of idiots.
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If you can't do it without flash I don't need to see your stupid page.
 
Microsoft was already planning on support for HTML5 in it's new Browser LONG BEFORE little Stevie Wonder announced his position. Everyone seems to think Apple creates everything. Nice thought, but......... Big difference,
Apple can't find a way to make it run on their OS or browsers (Flash), and Microsoft will run both HTML5 and Flash. Microsoft is good at what they do, and Apple is good at what they do. And sometimes, they agree.
 
notabadname said:
Must be really tough to see that Steve Jobs is not alone in his opinions about Flash. It would appear that both of the "Evil Empires" are in general agreement.
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Of course the two evil empires are in agreement here: Flash is a multi-platform technology, and it actually is one of the very few multi-platform solutions that actually work: The content looks and behave identical on - all - supported platforms.

That is something that neither Silverlight nor HTML nor Java nor anything else EVER achieved. And the worse thing is that Flash even has a small foot print.

So, naturally, the company that developed its own "Flash killer", Silverlight, and the other company that wants to push its mobile application and downloadable video/music sales through its iTunes AppStore, Flash is a living nightmare that needs to be killed as quickly as possible.

Has nobody here ever wondered how it can be that Google seems to be happy with Flash? Unlike Microsoft and Apple, Google - IS - an Internet company. And we've never heard anything negative about Flash from ANY Internet company. Why? Because Flash solves a lot of their problems.

But kiddies, be happy with your censored and selected little iGadget apps and restricted and limited web content. Really. I can understand that you don't like to see all those plugin placeholder graphics on your crippled DRM players, but that's no excuse to want the rest of the world to experience the same pain that you have to suffer.

Stop bashing a technology whose importance and potential you don't even remotely grasp or understand. It's getting annoying, and most of you Flash haters don't have any argument except for "Steve told us so". You should know how that makes you sound.
 
Microsoft and Apple agree on something? now 2 things are certain:

1.) Flash is on its way out.
2.) The world is coming to an end in 2012.
 
bnerd said:
Flash 10.1 running on Android .... now I see why Steve doesn't want it. It runs just like an App out of the App Store. I want a Droid phone now!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ia7q2-yuM
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LOL, I wouldn't actually call that "high performance" (as they describe it). And uh, what's the battery life running that? Yeah, probably about half what you'd get running a native app (this is pretty much the trend with Flash on mobile). And there's no reason that can't be a native app, rather easy to make.

But hey, you are free to buy a Droid, nothing wrong with that.
 
Yesterday Apple drop-kicked Flash to the ground. Today Microsoft walks by as Flash is trying to pick itself back up and kicks it in the nuts, and bitch-slaps Mozilla while they're at it. Great stuff.

Granted this is only talking about video, but I see it as a huge step towards ending the dependency on Flash.

Everyone complains about web video being presented in Flash. Provide native h.264 support in most of the major browsers and that cuts out at least half of the Flash argument.

I've seen some pretty amazing things done in HTML5. Granted they may not be easy for a designer 'wannabe' developer to hack together by dragging some assets onto a canvas, setting keyframes and clicking "Build," but the current state of HTML5 can do many of the things that flash is currently doing.

There are already numerous games that show off what HTML5 can do, and they also run on the iPhone/iPad (albeit sometimes slow, but they WORK!).

I would also love to see all those full-page-flash websites go away or convert to html. Some of them are just so ridiculous... creating your site as one big flash app simply to add some "interesting" (read: annoying) transitions and sfx to your menus. And in the progress making the content non-indexable by search engines as well as unsearchable using browser search.

And while Flash and most definitely Silverlight will be with us for some time, I still see this as a big win today.
 
SockRolid said:
But Microsoft simply said they have decided not to support Flash, which leaves no room for argument.
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Well, Microsoft did not quite say THAT. They will support it but also HTML5 which means a slow agonizing death of flash over time.

Steve said, Flash is so yesterday
Microsot said, Flash is so today

Both say, it is so not tomorrow.
 
Winni said:
Stop bashing a technology whose importance and potential you don't even remotely grasp or understand. It's getting annoying, and most of you Flash haters don't have any argument except for "Steve told us so". You should know how that makes you sound.
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How? -Smarter than you!
 
I agree with many of the feelings in this thread. The installed base of computers and websites that use Flash is very widespread and dominant.

What this will mean in reality is a coexistence of Flash and HTML5 for a few years then a slow replacement of both Flash and HTML5 with HTML6.

Adobe is a good company with good products with very widespread adoption.

The iPhone/iPad world is a device paradigm not a workstation paradigm. That may change some day when or if more sophisticated I/O and GUI becomes available on the platform.

For work we will see mice and keyboards and graphics tablets for many years to come.

Rocketman
 
Winni said:
Of course the two evil empires are in agreement here: Flash is a multi-platform technology, and it actually is one of the very few multi-platform solutions that actually work: The content looks and behave identical on - all - supported platforms.

That is something that neither Silverlight nor HTML nor Java nor anything else EVER achieved. And the worse thing is that Flash even has a small foot print.

So, naturally, the company that developed its own "Flash killer", Silverlight, and the other company that wants to push its mobile application and downloadable video/music sales through its iTunes AppStore, Flash is a living nightmare that needs to be killed as quickly as possible.

Has nobody here ever wondered how it can be that Google seems to be happy with Flash? Unlike Microsoft and Apple, Google - IS - an Internet company. And we've never heard anything negative about Flash from ANY Internet company. Why? Because Flash solves a lot of their problems.

But kiddies, be happy with your censored and selected little iGadget apps and restricted and limited web content. Really. I can understand that you don't like to see all those plugin placeholder graphics on your crippled DRM players, but that's no excuse to want the rest of the world to experience the same pain that you have to suffer.

Stop bashing a technology whose importance and potential you don't even remotely grasp or understand. It's getting annoying, and most of you Flash haters don't have any argument except for "Steve told us so". You should know how that makes you sound.
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No better way to bring someone around to your point of view than by insulting them.
You win.
I now love flash and hate Apple.
Smashing my phone and iPad right now!
Thanks for generously sharing your infinite wisdom with us stupid idiot kiddies who couldn't begin to grasp your towering intellect!

Of course flash is still dead...
 
As a web dev I'm just happy to find out that IE9 will support the HTML5 video tag at all...
 
liavman said:
Well, Microsoft did not quite say THAT. They will support it but also HTML5 which means a slow agonizing death of flash over time.

Steve said, Flash is so yesterday
Microsot said, Flash is so today

Both say, it is so not tomorrow.
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Microsoft says, Silverlight is tomorrow
Anyway, with IE just supporting H264 but not OGG Theora, it would be disastrous for the open source community since H264 is proprietary (what open standards?).
 
Put a fork in it...it's DONE!

When the day comes that you find yourself on the opposite side of a technology argument with not just Apple, but Microsoft as well...you might as well hang it up. At that point, who of any real marketplace significance is left to keep you going?
 
3N16MA said:
Adobe is in a battle that it cannot win.
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Its more that they hate loosing a monopoly, Adobe can change over to what ever is out there, but they like many before them, scream and kick on their way to a new way of thinking.

Good bye flash, not sorry to see you die.

And silver light was another pain on the Mac for a time, but since 3 i have had absolutely no problems, so i can deal with it much better, still I love to see it also go the way of the dodo bird and a new era of HTML5 become the standard. :p
 
Microsoft and Apple own the patents to H.264. Of course they want it to be the new standard, they are going to be making a boat load of money on licensing fees.

Anyone that uses the encoder and makes money has to pay licensing fees. Right now, until 2015 the client side is free but it does not have to remain that way.

http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensors.aspx

Licensing terms (written last year, the 2010 date they mention for the grace period has been moved up to 2015).
http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=65357
 
kk08053 said:
When the day comes that you find yourself on the opposite side of a technology argument with not just Apple, but Microsoft as well...you might as well hang it up. At that point, who of any real marketplace significance is left to keep you going?
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Google with Droid and Chrome? :D
 
Ripley(Adobe Head): Well, somebody's gonna have to go out there. Take a portable terminal, go out there and patch in manually.
Hudson(Flash): Oh yeah, sure! With those things runnin' around? You can count me out.
Hicks(Public): Yeah I guess we can just count you out of everything, Hudson.
Bishop(HTML5): [speaking under Hicks] I'll go.
Hudson(Flash): That's right, man.
Bishop(HTML 5): I'll go.
Hudson(Adobe Flash): Hey, why don't you go, man!
Bishop(HTML 5): [more loudly] I'll go.
Ripley(Adobe Head): What?
Bishop(HTML 5): I'll go. I mean, I'm the only one qualified to remote-pilot the ship anyway.
Hudson(Flash): Yeah right, man, Bishop should go.
[Vasquez (Steve Jobs) looks at Hudson with disgust]
Hudson(Flash): Good idea!
Bishop(HTML 5): Believe me, I'd prefer not to. I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid
 
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