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Sorry. I'm not a misguided machead. I work in .Net every day. I get Microsoft strategy, and I don't hate windows. I just think that Windows 7 is overpriced. SL and Windows 7 are both "maintenance releases". Apple's priced theirs accordingly. Microsoft didn't.

I don't own Apple stock or Microsoft stock. But I have a lot of reasons that I want Microsoft to do well. Overpricing an OS upgrade (that I would like to see gain broad acceptance, so I could rely on it being installed on most of my users hardware) doesn't help that.
The Windows 7 upgrade price slashed pre-order didn't count?

I don't like the upgrade license but they did have the discount offer for weeks.
 
Woah, wait. So only the Professional version will have XP compatibility mode?!?

Professional and Enterprise have an XP Virtual Machine mode which installs and runs applications in a full XP VM. All versions have Compatibility Mode which makes Windows Vista/7 appear to the application like a previous version of Windows. This is not the same as Virtual XP mode.
 
I filled in my personal information, even though I'm not in any of the countries listed, in the hope I am still eligible. The site said I'll be contacted within one to two weeks. Here's to hoping I am eligible too, somehow.
 
Also, the build number for Windows 7 (which is the number that REALLY matters) is 7600. Meanwhile, the current version of Vista is 6002.

In this case, yes the build number is the prevalent number. With Windows XP and Vista, the major number did increase from 5 to 6. My guess is that the next version of Windows will be 8.x, rather than 6.1.8xxx.
 
But I have a lot of reasons that I want Microsoft to do well. Overpricing an OS upgrade (that I would like to see gain broad acceptance, so I could rely on it being installed on most of my users hardware) doesn't help that.
Understood.

I just bought a Dell Inspiron for somebody 3 weeks ago. Even they were selling Win7 for $30 as an add-on. No student crap involved.

The bloated pricing structure of MS is no different than the sticker shock you see with a new car. Nobody (except an idiot) would ever pay that price though. It only serves to emphasize what a great value you got when you find everybody is really selling it much cheaper.
 
The Windows 7 upgrade price slashed pre-order didn't count?

I don't like the upgrade license but they did have the discount offer for weeks.

Hey slashing prices always helps. So does $29 for students willing to jump through hoops. But all that says to me is that even Microsoft thinks the pricing may be too high - but they've structured things so they can't do anything real about it.
 
If anything, you misguided macheads should be singing praises to any company that puts pressure on Apple to do things cheaper, smarter and faster for their end users.

remind me again how releasing an OS refresh at price points no lower than $199 "puts pressure on Apple to do things cheaper, smarter and faster"? since it's clear your entire post was based solely on your views of OS X vs. Windows, I don't want to hear that hardware/other devices have anything to do with it...

please don't read me wrong, I've actually had the chance to test out Windows 7 pretty extensively (i.e. more than just a "look-around"), and to Microsoft's credit, they have released a very solid, nice-looking OS that is clearly a much-needed improvement over Vista (with minimal UI changes akin to Snow Leopard compared to Leopard)... but regardless of the fact that Microsoft charge what they do for their OS due to their being a primarily software-based company, the main turn-off to me about either of the latest versions of Windows is that I'd have to plunk down $300 just to have a full-featured version of either- especially considering the much more appealing $129 (Leopard)/$29 (SL) price points that Apple sell their OS's at- with all the best included as optional in case you want/need it.

while I understand Microsoft's "buy-as-you-go" mentality toward "unlocking" certain features in an OS after putting down the extra money to do it, it's just not a mindset that does well in the eyes of just about anyone who's used to the "everything included at no extra cost and at your option if you want/need to install it" setup of OS X.
 
Understood.

I just bought a Dell Inspiron for somebody 3 weeks ago. Even they were selling Win7 for $30 as an add-on. No student crap involved.

The bloated pricing structure of MS is no different than the sticker shock you see with a new car. Nobody (except an idiot) would ever pay that price though. It only serves to emphasize what a great value you got when you find everybody is really selling it much cheaper.
The upgrade is free from what I can tell. Is it too hard to register for your free upgrade? :confused:

Hey slashing prices always helps. So does $29 for students willing to jump through hoops. But all that says to me is that even Microsoft thinks the pricing may be too high - but they've structured things so they can't do anything real about it.
I could get Microsoft software on campus by just showing my ID. I don't understand what hoops you're talking about. To be honest I haven't encountered a campus without a discount program with Microsoft. Why fill all this out online when your school should have it taken care of for download or physical purchase on October 22nd?

Plenty of bizarre misinformed anger and FUD over this.
 
I'm with ya...been using XP since it came out and honestly, I can't think of what it is missing. I use it literally 16+ hours a day on numerous laptops, netbooks, desktops, and servers.

I don't need a prettier Start Menu or some other facelift.

When core computing architecture and technology updates come (USB 3.0, true dual-core apps tools, and "the next sliced-bread" comes along) then I will update.

It's not a Mac vs. PC thing...I just think us Windows XP users really have no NEED to upgrade. If we did have a need, we would have been screaming about something missing for the past 9+ years and either moved to Linux or Mac or Vista. Very few people have made that change by choice (meaning, new pc buyers were forced Vista).

I can see myself using XP for the next 5+ years easily.

-Eric

More power to you, but I am so sick of looking at Windows XP. The OS is 8 years old, and while it's very stable and works well, I just can't stand using it anymore. The time to retire XP has arrived, and I will gladly remove it from my home (and hopefully work) PCs.
 
MSDNAA all the way!

Most Canadian University Students enrolled in a science or engineering related program have access to the MSDNAA. I just downloaded a full version of windows 7 proffessional for free through the Carleton University department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering...

Check to see if your school has access.:D
 
The upgrade is free from what I can tell. Is it too hard to register for your free upgrade? :confused:
Actually, it was impossible to register for a free upgrade back then. So yeah, I guess it was hard.

Doesn't matter. I saved 25% off the whole freaking order using the partner membership program combined with a coupon code.

You'll never see those discounts at Apple. Of course this Inspiron I ordered for the guy will probably only last 6 months. :D
 
Actually, it was impossible to register for a free upgrade back then. So yeah, I guess it was hard.
During the Windows 7 Technology Guarantee Program you should be offered a mail-in card and/or an online form to fill out.

If you purchased before that then you're out of luck and are stuck with Vista unless you purchase the upgrade disc yourself.

Doesn't matter. I saved 25% off the whole freaking order using the partner membership program combined with a coupon code.
The ~$500 scratch and dent XPS 435 MT Core i7 920 comes to mind.

You'll never see those discounts at Apple. Of course this Inspiron I ordered for the guy will probably only last 6 months. :D
That depends on the user and some luck. I've had plenty of 10 year old dust covered Dells finally getting replaced.

The generic service machine I see right now is a Northwood Pentium 4 2.4 - 2.8 GHz from 2003 that's just finally getting around to being replaced.
 
The upgrade is free from what I can tell. Is it too hard to register for your free upgrade? :confused:

I could get Microsoft software on campus by just showing my ID. I don't understand what hoops you're talking about. To be honest I haven't encountered a campus without a discount program with Microsoft. Why fill all this out online when your school should have it taken care of for download or physical purchase on October 22nd?

Plenty of bizarre misinformed anger and FUD over this.

Not angry. Just disappointed in Microsoft's pricing structure.

I'm glad it is really easy and cheap for students to get this latest upgrade to Windows 7. This article made it sound like there were some hoops (wanted an EDU mail address, proof of this and that, etc.) If that's wrong, and you can just show up on campus and get Windows 7 for almost nothing, then I am very happy for you. It's been many a year since I was on a campus, so I didn't know.

I wish it were as easy and cheap for everyone. College students are exactly the target demographic of the product we make here.
 
Yes, I am aware, but by the rules it only applies to students. While I myself am not a faculty member, I have several in my family that wouldn't upgrade a Windows version at anything close to full price.

My wife is a faculty member at a local university as well as my brother. They never pay full price for anything and typically get better deals than students. (MS Office = $7, Vista = $9, etc.). Trust me, faculty folks have nothing to worry about. MS just uses the word "students" because its a bigger market.

Regardless. From the MS details page:

The following conditions serve to define student eligibility for the Promotion:
Individual must possess a valid e-mail address at a U.S. educational institution which contains the domain suffix .edu;

OR

Pre-Approved School List: Enrolled in a U.S. educational institution included on the pre-approved school list;

OR

Submission of school enrollment: Submit verifiable school enrollment via the validation process;


Nothing in this says an EDU addy AND student classification is required.
 
Good publicity for MS without a lot of downside since many students can get Windows for free already through MS Academic Alliance.
 
My wife is a faculty member at a local university as well as my brother. They never pay full price for anything and typically get better deals than students. (MS Office = $7, Vista = $9, etc.). Trust me, faculty folks have nothing to worry about. MS just uses the word "students" because its a bigger market.
Some universities offer those discounts, others sell the software at retail, others not at all. Your family members are not a complete picture of everyone.

Nothing in this says an EDU addy AND student classification is required.
"Promotion Eligibility: This offer is good only to eligible students who attend an educational institution geographically located in the United States. This offer is non-transferable. Only one product may be purchased per eligible student (but not required)."
 
I got to the Professional upgrade version by clicking the Need to Join Your School's Network Domain link after you get the offer for Windows Home Premium. Then an offer for 7 Professional came up. I'm going to preorder it now.

Thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't care for Home Premium really, but $30 for Pro? I'll take it :) At first I thought maybe it was dependent on what school you attended... good catch.
 
Not angry. Just disappointed in Microsoft's pricing structure.

I'm glad it is really easy and cheap for students to get this latest upgrade to Windows 7. This article made it sound like there were some hoops (wanted an EDU mail address, proof of this and that, etc.) If that's wrong, and you can just show up on campus and get Windows 7 for almost nothing, then I am very happy for you. It's been many a year since I was on a campus, so I didn't know.

I wish it were as easy and cheap for everyone. College students are exactly the target demographic of the product we make here.
You missed out on the few weeks of discount Windows 7 upgrades for everyone then? :confused:
 
I get Windows 7 Ultimate on a physical disk from my university for 20 bucks. This is so stupid becasue most schools have these deals already. Like office for free. Im lucky my school gives me CS4 for free:).

It only looks like its free (to you) ;) I wish I got that. I pay a few hundred bucks a semester in lab fees to pay for the software the school uses and I never use their labs to do my work-- wish I got a copy of CS4 for that.
 
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