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Microsoft Music Store?

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For me it's going to come down to choice... if the Microsoft store has a better selection, that's where I'll be buying. I'm sorry to say that, because I LOVE Apple and really don't like to support Bill Gates in any way, shape or form. I know it's early on, but I am extremely disappointed with the iTunes Music Store. It's mostly crap. There's very little Jazz, practically no classical, and only the tiniest smidgeon of independent music. Jobs will only have a winner on his hands, IMHO, if he covers all his cultural bases!
 
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Apple should release a number of updates for the iPod software that changes how it communicates with PC's, giving Microsoft the run around and making them re-code portions of their store program, delaying their progress and allowing Apple to get closer to release iTunes for Windows.

I'm so evil.

AppleMatt
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You thinking to Mac-centric, where the only meaningful portable MP3 device is the iPod. Whatever store becomes dominant on the PC platform won't be reliant (in the case of Apple, shouldn't be) on the presence or success of the iPod.

The iPod is #1, but hardly the only game in PC-town. Miniature players are hot right now too.
 
Originally posted by Fukui
Sorry, XBOX is MS's platform. Apple would need to get a licensing agreement with MS to distribute their software on their console (something like $20), so uh, you think MS is gonna say, OK apple, heres your XBOX SDK and license, good luck competing on our service that we'll bundle with the XBOX LIVE so every player sees our music service and only our service...It will never happen.
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Who said bundle it with Xbox. Sell it like any other Xbox title.
 
Re: Re: What's all the shouting about?

Originally posted by RHutch
I'm not as concerned about the money as I am about Apple's ideas being stolen again. I want Apple to get the iTMS up and running for Windows users before a M$ offering. Then PC users have to admit Apple was first. And since it will be first to them, they will probably try it. Then they might have to admit it's the best.
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Who cares about idea's being "stolen". If Apple cannot compete because someone else does it better, then so be it. I guess by your contention Apple computers shouldn't get on the Internet because it was copied. Hell OS X is copied from BSD not to mention the GUI from Xerox PARC.

I guess since apple has copied: BSD, Xerox GUI, Internet Connectivity, ... the only thing left is Desktop Publishing (Oh wait WYSIWYG wouldn't be available without the GUI).

Grow up and enjoy what you have and quit whining about MS.
 
What concerns me isn't M$, they have a habit lately of screwing things up themselves, it's thaty they are teaming up with AOL, Yahoo, Amazon and Viacom. M$ can't **** enough with all of those high rollers involved. Too bad Apple couldn't get Amazon and AOL first, would've taken the wind outa M$ windows' shades.
 
No way is any Microsoft service out in the near future going to be as easy to use as the iTMS. They are going to use Windows Media player, which is much harder to use than iTunes, in part because it tries to be too much (music and video). iTunes is single purpose and does it extremely well, indeed far better than anything else out there.

Yes, history often repeats itself but this time it is different because the superior apple solution will not require buying a new computer, just downloading a free app.

As far as the Internet Explorer analogy (PC people just use what is installed), I think it fails for a number of reasons:

(1) IE beat Netscape because IE was free and Netscape was not (in the early days);

(2) alternative browsers like firebird are a relatively recent phenomenon. IE got entrenched before real competition (other than the more costly Netscape) became a real thing;

(3) there's no marketing or publicity pushing alternative browsers in the PC world; however, there has been marketing and lots of publicity for the apple store;

(4) iTunes Music Store will work with the best and best selling portable player, while the Windows solution won't; alternative browsers have had no comparable advantage over IE;

(5) alternative browsers have less compatibility than IE because of all the sites designed around IE

(6) alternative browsers don't offer that much more. Don't get me wrong, I love Safari and it's 10X better than IE, a real pleasure. but I use IE all day at work and it's fine. a browser is a browser. point and click. there's not as much going on as a online store/jukebox program. not as much to suck. there's a lot more to suck in a MS online store.
 
Re: choice

Originally posted by Fredo Viola
For me it's going to come down to choice... if the Microsoft store has a better selection, that's where I'll be buying. I'm sorry to say that, because I LOVE Apple and really don't like to support Bill Gates in any way, shape or form. I know it's early on, but I am extremely disappointed with the iTunes Music Store. It's mostly crap. There's very little Jazz, practically no classical, and only the tiniest smidgeon of independent music. Jobs will only have a winner on his hands, IMHO, if he covers all his cultural bases!
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Did you see the story about Apple meeting with the Indie reps last week? They can't just put up the music without the permission of the labels. They are working on it. So many people want everything done perfectly and immediately. I wonder how many people could perform their jobs at the level they expect from Apple. Would people think it fair if their employer found someone who could do their job faster than them, so they just fired them?
 
Re: Re: Re: What's all the shouting about?

Originally posted by jamilecrire
Who cares about idea's being "stolen". If Apple cannot compete because someone else does it better, then so be it. I guess by your contention Apple computers shouldn't get on the Internet because it was copied. Hell OS X is copied from BSD not to mention the GUI from Xerox PARC.

I guess since apple has copied: BSD, Xerox GUI, Internet Connectivity, ... the only thing left is Desktop Publishing (Oh wait WYSIWYG wouldn't be available without the GUI).

Grow up and enjoy what you have and quit whining about MS.
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It has nothing to do with someone else doing it better. It has more to do with someone else using monopolistic practices to unfairly force users to use some service. And there is a difference between improving upon an idea and repackaging something without adding anything to it. You can't patent the telephone now, but you can patent an improvement to the telephone. I see the examples you offered as Apple improving on an idea. I see the possibility of M$ repackaging rather than improving.
 
Originally posted by Digidesign

For one, the selection is small. Granted it's a new service and the whole copyright/licensing per-song-pizazz, but come on, 75% of the music I want to purchase I can't find on the store. Not to mention the fact that most of the artists they add are usually Top 40 artists.

Second, the whole partial album thing is a joke. Usually it's the entire album, minus ONE freakin' track - in some cases I've seen the complete album (20/20 tracks - i.e., Ray Romano's comedy CD) but it still says partial album. There's no way I'm paying $20 for the whole thing. Or, it's like they have the clean version complete and available, but the explicit version is missing that ONE song (i.e., 2Pac's Until the End of Time). C'mon Apple.

Third, the pricing is NOT $9.99 per disc across the board. Some are like $15. (i.e., No doubt's Rock Steady) That's total BS. And some songs can only be purchased with the album. Again, more BS.
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According to Apple's meeting with the independent labels it's not Apples job to post and price the music. It's up to the labels.

(I'd link to the article but it was pulled.)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's all the shouting about?

Originally posted by MorganX
You didn't hear about it because you're a Mac user. The reason there's buzz now is because Jobs' got record companies to relax their licensing restrictions.
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Actually the real reason you're hearng about this is that Apple sold more songs in the first week than all other services combined sold in a year. Apple's service works; the others didn't. It's as simple as that, and that's why everyone else is jumping on the band wagon.
 
Apple cannot sell what the labels won't allow it to. If a label or an artist doesn't want to have their music sold via iTMS, it's not going to be there. To blame Apple for lousy offerings, ignores that fact. Also, to blame Apple for the pricing configurations is also stupid. Apple doesnt' control it, the artists/labels do.

Unfortunately since Apple is selling the service they are getting blamed for these issues. I wish people would focus on the artists/labels instead of Apple.
 
Originally posted by Ugg
Apple cannot sell what the labels won't allow it to. If a label or an artist doesn't want to have their music sold via iTMS, it's not going to be there. To blame Apple for lousy offerings, ignores that fact. Also, to blame Apple for the pricing configurations is also stupid. Apple doesnt' control it, the artists/labels do.

Unfortunately since Apple is selling the service they are getting blamed for these issues. I wish people would focus on the artists/labels instead of Apple.
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Yeah, for all those griping about apple not offering enough, or charging to much, or not having the full album selection it's not apples fault! Apple would probably like to have every song ever recorded for sale, individually or as part of an album, and for $0.99/song and $9.99/album as well, but until the artists/labels get on board its not gonna happen. But on the plus side, it won't happen for M$ either. Bands like Metallica won't allow anyone to sell their stuff online (stupid lars) apple or MS until they are comfortable with the distribution system and the fee structure as well as the DRM stuff. iTMS is an evolving project, more and more people will get on board as time goes by.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What's all the shouting about?

Originally posted by dongmin
Actually the real reason you're hearng about this is that Apple sold more songs in the first week than all other services combined sold in a year. Apple's service works; the others didn't. It's as simple as that, and that's why everyone else is jumping on the band wagon.
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The service is as simple as selling music with restriction. Apple's licensing works. Do you think the sales would be the same with the DRM restrictions in the other existing online music services?

Right now if Pressplay and Listen dropped subscription fees and DRM and used the same pricing as iTMS they would see even more success due to higher volume, with or without and elegant interface.
 
Re: I can see the headlines...

Originally posted by eric_n_dfw
"For the first time in history*, you can now buy just the music you want."



*First time in history does not nessesarily mean that the capability was not available in history before this release.
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lol...Ahh that cracks me up. It's funny cause it's true :p Poor pathetic MS. Always stealing others ideas.

Nice post:D
 
This has me thinking about the rumor of Apple buying Roxio. The CD-burning tech in XP is Roxio-based, is it not? The big CD burner is EZCD Creator. My bet is that if Apple purchased Roxio then they could set back M$'s plans a little bit by making them go elsewhere for CD burning. And how could would it be to have Roxio's name on a new player for Windows that connects to the ITMS - and can burn or dumpthe songs onto the iPod - and maybe other players that can support AAC.
 
Re: choice

Originally posted by Fredo Viola
For me it's going to come down to choice... if the Microsoft store has a better selection, that's where I'll be buying. I'm sorry to say that, because I LOVE Apple and really don't like to support Bill Gates in any way, shape or form. I know it's early on, but I am extremely disappointed with the iTunes Music Store. It's mostly crap. There's very little Jazz, practically no classical, and only the tiniest smidgeon of independent music. Jobs will only have a winner on his hands, IMHO, if he covers all his cultural bases!
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I would rather wait than give liars and cheats my money...
 
They should go for it--an early demo is easy, but it's not as simple as that. Apple doens't have to be the only music store, just one of the best. I expect it will be THE best for some time to come. It may or may not be first on Windows.

Remember that the music companies have hesitated to agree to something like the iMS beyond Mac. That barrier affects everyone--and whoever persuades them, that could benefit everyone.

TRYING to copy Apple is one thing. Succeeding is another.

And anyway, worst case, Apple never breaks into the potential new market of Windows music sales. That's too bad, but we still have the iMS for us!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Runs on Xbox

Originally posted by springscansing
Yeah, what the hell do you do with songs on an xbox?
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well, for one thing when you want to share your music with your friends you can carry the xBox to your friends' places...
err... exercise of the day? :p
 
Re: Re: I can see the headlines...

Originally posted by MUrhino
lol...Ahh that cracks me up. It's funny cause it's true :p Poor pathetic MS. Always stealing others ideas.

Nice post:D
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MS steals what you see, Apple steals what's hidden (stable OS core, dynamic memory allocation [and it's about time!], fully implemented dual CPU support, etc.
 
Re: This is the reason for history.

supports more currencies such as the Canadian and Australian (sp?) dollar, Yen, the British Pound, and the Euro.

the caribbean man, the caribbean:D
 
Re: Not to worry

Originally posted by D*I*S_Frontman
I think we need not worry about this for a number of reasons:
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3) If Apple can get a windows version of iTunes out by, say, September of this year, they will be in great shape for selling Windows iPods for Christmas. It is always nice to have the Windows world financing Apple Computer's hardware and OS R&D! ...
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Actually, it would be pretty clever move by Apple if they could have the "iTunes for Windows" store require an iPod as the MP3 hardware implimentation.

The justification for this would be for security, to try to limit Piracy on the PC side, which is what the Record Labels want. Also, as a form of a "hardware dongle", it helps to slow down and control the adoption rate into the broader Windows marketplace, in case the Record Labels think that there's trouble.


And Apple supports PC-iPod --> Mac-iPod migration, for the "Switchers".


-hh
 
Re: Re: Re: What's all the shouting about?

Originally posted by weev

Don't forget it needs more than M$ money to make it happen, the record labels (at least the big 5) have to go with it and perhaps they might have a bit of loyalty to Job's vision (and style), or am I deluded here?
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Yep. Deluded.
 
Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
This has me thinking about the rumor of Apple buying Roxio. The CD-burning tech in XP is Roxio-based, is it not? The big CD burner is EZCD Creator. My bet is that if Apple purchased Roxio then they could set back M$'s plans a little bit by making them go elsewhere for CD burning. And how could would it be to have Roxio's name on a new player for Windows that connects to the ITMS - and can burn or dumpthe songs onto the iPod - and maybe other players that can support AAC.
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Or maybe, just maybe, a copy of iTunes for windows would come in the roxio box. Or maybe, just maybe, APPLE ezcd creator "lite" comes free with every iPod.

I see something interesting brewing! The iPod already dominates the market. Now, they start handing out iTunes and cd burning software to the iPod users. Suddenly, their favorite device runs their favorite software. Ther's little apples everywhere on their PC!
 
Come on!!

Microcrap intends on selling the idea of RENTING music, according to this older article on CNET Renting music??WTF! ....

Also, someone posted that ITMS was basically crap and I have to say,we would be discussing any kind of music store had Apple not successful redrawn a better way to download music legitamently. For the moment, Apple's ITMS is successful, thus, the reason for the others coming out of the woodwork to beat Apple...
 
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