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Of course it's a marketing term! That's what trademarks are!

BTW, what were these app STORES called? Extra points if they capitalized the name like that. ;)

Come on you know what I meant.

Multiple "app stores" existed. Someone else pointed out the same thing. We already have multiple "liquor stores". This would be like someone trying to trademark "Liquor Store". Can't do it, as places described as the generic term "liquor store" already exist. This is EXACTLY the same thing.
 
Was it generic when Apple initially applied for the trademark?

They're called 'apps' because they're applications, as per the Mac OS X terminology that Apple carried over to the iPhone - Applications and .app.

Windows uses Programs, not apps.

So why are the other companies using "app store" - simply because Apple defined it.
The term "Application" in reference to a computer program predates Apple and OS X, so your argument fails.
"Program" and "Application" are interchangeable terms in the computer world.
Even Microsoft calls anything with an .exe extension an application, not a program.
 

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Anyone can apply for a trademark. As long as they show just cause. It is a pretty standard practice. Before "3peat" was registered by Pat Riley - plenty of people said the word. But he got the trademark. App Store seems to be the generic word across the board. But why not go for it. Hardly seems news worthy. But it will ignite the PC vs. Mac forum posts. So go for it.
 
The point here is that "App Store" is generic, which means you're using a generic term to describe a specific place and refuse to use a specific term because apparently it's confusing.

It's as if I would like Apple to trademark the word "computer" because I advertise things as "available for computers" and don't want to have to say "available for Mac computers" because my consumers don't know what Mac is.

Or, a more "physical" example: if the supermarket on my street sells the home made chocolate bars I make, I can't just say to my friends "you can find my chocolate in the supermarket" because they don't know what the "foobar supermarket" is and then say that Foobar Supermarket should trademark "supermarket" because of that.

If "iOS" and "iPhone" confuse your consumers, Apple should come up with a specific name for that specific store, like "iApp Store" (would fit in with iTunes Store) or "App-le Store" or what have you.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. Why should Apple change their name when they made "Apps" public and extremely mainstream?

Microsoft is just crying because they want to say "Windows App Store" (So lame) why can't they think of a name for themselves?

NO OTHER company was bothered by this and they accepted and moved on. Look at Android "Android Market" It fits their platform and makes sense. "App Store" wasn't generic (meaning if it was so common why didn't they jump on the bandwagon then) before Apple trademarked (filed for) it and after all that's what Trademarks are for. Usually I agree with other companys when Apple takes it too far, but this I just don't agree with.
 
Microsoft's position that "app store" is generic seems misguided. Marks are viewed along a spectrum of generic/descriptive/suggestive/arbitrary/fanciful, where generic marks are not capable of being protected, descriptive marks can become protected once they have acquired "secondary meaning" and suggestive, arbitrary and fanciful marks are capable of being protected, with varying strengths absent any requirement of secondary meaning. Microsoft is arguing that the mark is generic, and in the alternative, that if the mark is descriptive, that any secondary meaning is de facto and does not convert the descriptive mark to one being capable of trademark protection.

Genericity is something that markholders often spend a significant amount of time having to combat. By way of example, Xerox led a massive campaign encouraging people to "photocopy it" rather than to "Xerox it" because the term "Xerox" had begun to become ubiquitous with photocopying. Where a mark no longer indicates the source of the goods or services, but has rather become a categorical term of art to instead mean a type of good or service, it has probably become genericized. Markholders can combat this by actively protecting its mark against adoption by third parties as well as general usage by the public at large to mean the type of goods/services generally. In this instance, it appears that Apple has successfully combated genericism through actively contesting any third parties from using the term "app store" and instead imploring them to use app marketplace or application store. Notably, it further appears that Apple was the first provider to use the term "App store" and it's date of first use was March 6, 2008, and Apple filed its application on July 17, 2008. If the term has become commonly used, it was during the period that apple was actively using the mark and actively combating genericism.

The next issue is whether the mark would be descriptive. This one is trickier. I believe Apple would have a good "double entendre" argument here in so far as "App Store" could as easily mean the "Apple Store" and the "Application Store". A mark is descriptive essentially when the mark itself describes the goods or services sufficiently such that the consumer would know exactly what the goods or services are and is itself more of an identifier of the type of goods or services rather than the source of the goods or services. In contrast to a descriptive mark is a suggestive mark, which requires an inference or "mental leap" for a consumer to know what the goods or services are. In this case, "app" seems only descriptive insofar as it is the term coined and utilized by apple to reference its applications. As noted above, the element "App" could also mean "Apple" and consumers hearing the mark would then be required to make the mental leap to understand that the mark is the Apple Application Store. On the other hand, one point that supports Microsoft's position is that Apple refers to its mobile applications as "Apps" whether it is short for the term application, or in reference to the file extension .app. Notably, .app is not solely an Apple product. The use of "App Store" to indicate the source of "Apps" may then be descriptive. Nevertheless, Apple can then rely on the secondary meaning acquired by the mark. That would take extensive discovery, however I feel Apple would be in a pretty good position here. A quick Google search for “app store” shows pages and pages of Apple-only references, a good sign for Apple.
 
Second, "Windows" was not a term related to technology and computers until Microsoft invented windows. App (short for application) was used in the computer world before Apple started the App Store. Adding the very generic word "store" doesn't change anything. It's like trying to trademark "liqueur store" or "computer store" or "vegetable market".

in this case invented = plagiarizing/stealing/photocopying Apple's OS.

Be careful when you give credit to M$ for something like 'inventing' Windows.

If I eat an Apple and it comes out the other end as poop, I didn't 'invent' poop. I just took something and made a really useless and messy version of it. Most people would dispose of it. M$ just decided to make it stinkier and stinkier over time and sell it.
 
Nobody ever marketed their Application Distribution process an App Store before Apple. Apple will win and rightly so.

Yup...I was going to say this. Did "App Store" exist before Apple coined it? Did anyone call their applications "apps" before Apple did?
 
Nope, because Microsoft Windows call them "PROGRAMS"

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/11389.html

Its okay, Apple calls them both ;) darn those anti virus programs....that you need to run to make sure your applications are safe!!!

Freakin Windows Task manager reffers to "programs" as "applications" , people need to get over these nameing conventions.

It apple call it iApp store sure then can have it, App store I still believe is generic.
 
in this case invented = plagiarizing/stealing/photocopying Apple's OS.

Be careful when you give credit to M$ for something like 'inventing' Windows.

If I eat an Apple and it comes out the other end as poop, I didn't 'invent' poop. I just took something and made a really useless and messy version of it. Most people would dispose of it. M$ just decided to make it stinkier and stinkier over time and sell it.

Fail for bringing up your fanboyish conspiracy theories, please put your tin foil hat back on. Completely irrelevant to this thread.
 
Yup...I was going to say this. Did "App Store" exist before Apple coined it? Did anyone call their applications "apps" before Apple did?

"App Store" didn't of course. That would be like having a liquor store called "Liquor Store".

And Applications have been called Apps for decades.
 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/11389.html

Its okay, Apple calls them both ;) darn those anti virus programs....that you need to run to make sure your applications are safe!!!

Freakin Windows Task manager reffers to "programs" as "applications" , people need to get over these nameing conventions.

It apple call it iApp store sure then can have it, App store I still believe is generic.

Apple didn't file a trademark for App, they filed one for App Store. We're real sorry that M$ want's to coattail it and can't come up with their own name like Android and others do.
 
in this case invented = plagiarizing/stealing/photocopying Apple's OS.

Be careful when you give credit to M$ for something like 'inventing' Windows.

If I eat an Apple and it comes out the other end as poop, I didn't 'invent' poop. I just took something and made a really useless and messy version of it. Most people would dispose of it. M$ just decided to make it stinkier and stinkier over time and sell it.
Agreed... M$ didn't invent Windows.
And for that matter, Apple didn't invent the "windowed" operating system either.
It's an old and tired argument. People need to let it die already.
Both companies bought, stole, plagiarized, etc. from each other and other companies to be where they are today.
Trying to put a halo on Apple and calling Microsoft evil is plain fanaticism and ignorant.
Both companies have dirty hands.
 
Second, "Windows" was not a term related to technology and computers until Microsoft invented windows.

The X Window System disagrees with that affirmation. Released by MIT in 1984, a full year before Microsoft Windows 1.0, it is a use of the word Window in the computer and technology before Microsoft "invented" it. It was not the first "Windowing" system at all either. The word is much older than Microsoft Windows as Microsoft did not invent the concept and did not use a new word to describe it.

Of course, since has as been pointed out, Microsoft lost their trademark over the generic Windows term, it is very bad example to back up your "Apple does no wrong" hypothesis.

Now, that being said, App Store. Ok, if you agree with Apple, you then agree that these trademarks could also be registered :

Shoe Store
Music Store
Pet Store
Clothes Store
Grocery Store
Hamburger Restaurant
Gas Station

Unfortunately, anyone here that agrees with Apple is doing only because it's Apple. If McDonald's tried to register the "Hamburger Restaurant" trademark, no person in their right mind would agree.
 
Isn't "Office" a generic term too?

So is "Apple", I believe this term dates back to some bloke, a chick, an Apple tree and a snake.

Though in context of "computers" I believe most people know what "Apple" and "Office" are.
 
As a developer, I say that this would complicate things.

I advertise things as "Available on the App Store"

I don't want consumers being confused and saying they can't find it on their Windows 7 App Store.

I don't want to have to say "Available on the iOS App Store." most consumers don't know what iOS is. iPhone App Store might work, but then iPad users might not realize it's on their store too and I don't want to have to say "Available on the iPhone and iPad App Store."

This makes perfect sense. This is also exactly the reason for why Apple should be able to own the trademark for the App Store, it reduces confusion for the customer at the end of the day.
 
Apple didn't file a trademark for App, they filed one for App Store. We're real sorry that M$ want's to coattail it and can't come up with their own name like Android and others do.

and the point is that (App)lication Store is kinda generic, no? its not like Apple invented applications.
 
read the first 2 pages at least

People need to read the first 2 pages before making bias arguments (that adds nothing and are repeats).

Let's review:

Apple: App Store is generic because App(lication) Store are two words that are NOW widely used in the COMPUTER INDUSTRY. However, the counter argument is that in the time of its inception, it wasn't widely used. But if Apple does lose, they can combine the two words as AppStore to not be generic.

Microsoft: Words (which actually is not TM), Windows, etc. are not generic for this case because they are not generic in the COMPUTER INDUSTRY, so the fact that they are generic in the domestic sense does not count! Although MS consider programs/exe files commonly as programs, they are still also in the class of applications. different word, basically same meaning.

Savvy?
 
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I'm sorry but I just don't agree with this. Why should Apple change their name when they made "Apps" public and extremely mainstream?

Microsoft is just crying because they want to say "Windows App Store" (So lame) why can't they think of a name for themselves?

NO OTHER company was bothered by this and they accepted and moved on. Look at Android "Android Market" It fits their platform and makes sense. "App Store" wasn't generic (meaning if it was so common why didn't they jump on the bandwagon then) before Apple trademarked (filed for) it and after all that's what Trademarks are for. Usually I agree with other companys when Apple takes it too far, but this I just don't agree with.

Nobody is telling Apple to change it, the reply I made was to someone who said their consumers wouldn't know which App Store is which unless Apple trademarked it. And they didn't make "Apps" public and extremely mainstream. As has been pointed out hundreds of times by now, "applications" have existed decades before the App Store and "App" is just short for "Application". And yes, the short version also existed before. Just because Apple made it popular doesn't mean anything.

Regarding other companies not being bothered and moving on, that is because they have no choice at the moment, just like Microsoft has "marketpalce". Since all these are in fact app stores (that is at least the best way I--and apparently the media--can describe them), nobody should get a trademark over that. And I don't believe Microsoft intend to name anything Microsoft App Store, they just want the description to be available in order for all companies to be able to talk about their app stores.
 
Well the app-store folder wasn't around in 2000 on handango's site, just checked with archive.org. They called it Software Catalog back then.
Sadly the site is so slow I can't get anything more recent.

A software catalog where the software was referred to as "Applications". Wouldn't that make handango an App Store? Or a Store for Apps?
 
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