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Microsoft Office 2010 to Gain Free Web-Based Components
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I trust Microsoft to deliver a better online app experience than apple. It's not as good as google yet, but things like officelive, hotmail or xbox live work a lot better than that horribly unreliable and expensive mobile me thing apple makes.
IMO if you're gonna take the step to do processing in the cloud, go with Google. I'm just not comfortable with my files in the cloud. Seems to me that there will be too many people trying to get your files, whether it is for the challenge or rip-off purposes.
Personally, I am fine with iWork. I never used 10% of the features of Word or Excel.
Personally, I am fine with iWork. I never used 10% of the features of Word or Excel.
MS has a lot of experiences, both good and bad. They are not perfect, they had a lot of failures in the past but they recover from those pretty good most of the time.
MS is far ahead in Apple in this field but give Apple time and experience, they can bounce back from those failures.
If Apple continues to improve and expand MobileMe, it may become one of the hottest services if they lower the price and include iWork web with it. I would totally buy it for 49$ a year with all the features.
iTunes store is a major success for Apple that MS hasn't yet match and probably won't as they won't enter the field of selling music but they are starting the App store for the Windows phone.
Never assume that MS cannot fail at something. There are many things that pundits have said that Microsoft would kill once they released their version of something and we have several examples where the pundits were wrong. In my experience, Microsoft almost never can succeed at something dominated by somebody else unless they tie it with a technology that they have massive control. Remember history - IE got to where it was because it was tied very tightly with the Monopoly of Windows and this was despite the fact that Netscape (basically existing in open source non profit via Firefox) was widely seen as far superior to IE. Legal action against Microsoft weakened that and their apathy toward making IE any good is an example of why people are abandoning it.
As far as I can tell this is trying to make parity with Google but without sacrificing Office sales in the enterprise - which is why this free version is very lacking to the basics.
Office 2008 is a Universal application. It doesn't require Rosetta.
Regards,
Nadyne.
Mobile Me worked fine last time I looked at it. Syncs my phone and comp and I can view and share files.
Interesting, your entire post speaks of a true Windows fanatic. Am I dense? Insults huh? Very childish of you to attack me when I said nothing to you at all, what are you 5 years old? Grow up.
I speak from experience, Microsoft lures people (Mac users) in every time and after a while they drop support. Yes, I said that correctly, once we like what we see they drop support and we end up using Windows to get the functionality promised to us in the first place. I'm sure many people here know what I am saying. Need proof?
Here ya go.
Internet Explorer (dropped support )
Windows Media Player (dropped support)
Messenger (limited functionality)
Microsoft Office (Used to be good, now sucks on Mac, no VB Macros support, and we PAY MONEY for this. )
Silverlight- developer tools are only on Windows. Mac users have to take what we get.
No. It will be "free with ads" (which to me isn't free, but YMMV)
Exactly.
You cannot access it at all without a "Live" account. This means it's more like a walled garden for those already paying homage to the great Microsoft, etc.
It also (as currently proposed) is very limited functionality, with gigantic conspicuous buttons to "work offline" (presumably if you want to do any significant editing).
It looks to be more of a tool for making sure that everyone in the Microsoft camp (XBox users etc.) gets access to the documents they already have made using the desktop Office they already own, and to push upgrades of the desktop software, Windows Live accounts, XBox, etc. etc.
It's not an alternative to Office, it's an extension and an advertising tool for Office.
While a lot of the stories about it are comparing it to Google Docs, and expect it to be free and "available to all," it's pretty much the exact opposite of that in reality. It's a little cherry bonus for business users and the fallen. That is all.
There is no "online iWork" fee based or otherwise.
Users of MobileMe are allowed to view iWork documents online. There is no Apple online word processor, spreadsheet, etc. right now so this is an unfair comparison.
IIRC, Steve Jobs himself said that iWork.com would be a pay service once it heads out of beta status.
But you're right, there's no iWork Web version, it is just to host your documents online and as well as collaborate with other people with the options to comments on the documents online, download different formats of the same doc and so on.
Why bother?
It's actually not compatible with any browser... unless you download SilverLight. Which begs the question... Why even bother with a browser, can't we just download the SilverLight run-time and run it from there? And if we have to download SilverLight and install it... Why not just download the freaken application and install it?
oops...
My bad.
It's actually not compatible with any browser... unless you download SilverLight. Which begs the question... Why even bother with a browser, can't we just download the SilverLight run-time and run it from there? And if we have to download SilverLight and install it... Why not just download the freaken application and install it?
oops...
My bad.
And Jobs never said anything about creating and editing documents. It was pitched as a collaborative environment for document hosting and downloading. It was not alleged to be a online version of iWork - there was massive speculation about that, but they were not right. Of course you knew that right?
Virgil was talking about people mistaking thing that iwork.com is the same as what Microsoft is doing - they are similar, but very different beasts. Virgil was talking about iWork applications being hosted online - something that know is not happening.
What are you talking about?
It works fine in Firefox, Safari on Macs and it will work just fine in Firefox on Windows. They already demoed this back a few months ago. Look it up on channel9.
So what if it requires Silverlight, it's only less than 10mb and it is free. Silverlight works better on my Mac than Flash does.
And Jobs never said anything about creating and editing documents. It was pitched as a collaborative environment for document hosting and downloading. It was not alleged to be a online version of iWork - there was massive speculation about that, but they were not right. Of course you knew that right?
Virgil was talking about people mistaking thing that iwork.com is the same as what Microsoft is doing - they are similar, but very different beasts. Virgil was talking about iWork applications being hosted online - something that know is not happening.
You completely misunderstood both of us. He was trying to tell somebody else that it is not fair to compare iWork web to Office Web because they are not the same thing but he added a comment saying iWork is free because that other guy said iWork was a fee service compared to free service of Office web.
I corrected him saying that iWork is not free at all.
I then went on to explain that he was right that iWork Web is not the same thing as Office web.
You completely missed the whole point.
I believe it's the package installer that's still PowerPC.
Another feature to tack onto my Hotmail account for easy access.
I understood that when I called them different beats.
But he was talking about some mythical non existent iwork.com that is the same as what MS is proposing. At least thats when I got from his post.
Which I agree, 100 percent when I said they have some similarities, but they are mostly different.
No, I understood what you were saying, note the ending when I said that you knew they were different. Please re-read my post.
Can you cite that for us please? Especially video showing off the OneNote stuff that they were talking about since OneNote is a windows only app (if there is such video - I cannot locate any of this). If this was demoed months ago, why haven't we hard of this until today?
Maybe you confused virgil with kas23 as kas23 was the guy who was talking about the iwork.com being the same as what Ms is proposing.
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Is this MicrosoftRumors.com or what?
Is this MicrosoftRumors.com or what?
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/PDCNews/First-Look-Office-14-for-Web/
This one should have Firefox using Office Web. I can't remember if this one had Safari on Windows or Macs.
There was another but I can't remember where I saw it. The link above should be enough for you. I can't remember if it has OneNote either. It was a while ago.
No, I was referring to that conversation, but I was not talking about kas. I was taking aout what virgil said about kas (that iwork.com was the same as what MS announced).
My intention was to say that both virgil and you were correct. Virgil was talking indirectly about a mythical non existant version of iWork.com that does not exist in any way paid or not.
I interpreted your post as you confusing what Virgil was talking about with what iwork.com really was. I am sure that virgil knows what iWork.com really is being that he said:
Which is literally true and is totally consistent to what you said:
Hope that is a bit clearer. I was in fact agreeing with both of your assertions and I may not have been clear before. Hopefully that clears the air a bit.
Microsoft yesterday announced at its Worldwide Partner Conference 2009 that its forthcoming Office 2010 suite will gain a web-based component offering free, ad-supported.......
I stopped reading after that.