It's that Smilies icon that threw me off. I thought you were being sarcastic and saying something else and I now understand you were just adding what we both were saying.
Goddamn sarcasm, in some cases, it should be totally banned.
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Microsoft Office 2010 to Gain Free Web-Based Components
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It's that Smilies icon that threw me off. I thought you were being sarcastic and saying something else and I now understand you were just adding what we both were saying.
Goddamn sarcasm, in some cases, it should be totally banned.
A little off topic here, but when SL is released, will all apps get transferred when making the transition from Leopard to SL or will it require a reinstall of all the apps? Don't even know where my Office Mac 2008 CD is these days.
All the MS haters are just honestly not knowledgeable about anything MS except office and Windows.
The world runs on Exchange, and Exchange is WONDERFUL! Sharepoint is amazing as well. I am the Apple guy at my job over 15k employees over a bil in revenue and I still have respect for MS because they are the best for business users.
The world runs on Exchange, and Exchange is WONDERFUL! Sharepoint is amazing as well. I am the Apple guy at my job over 15k employees over a bil in revenue and I still have respect for MS because they are the best for business users.
Some notes:
1) They talked about cross browser and cross platform, but they only demoed it on PC's and said nothing about how it would work on the Macs and if there was going to be any limitations or how they were going to deal with platform idiosyncrasies.
2) Ajax is nice, but Silverlight not so much... The problem with silverlight is that we are dependant on Microsoft to maintain feature parity and all development on that is done on Windows. Yea I know that Microsoft has said they are committed to Silverlight on the Mac, but there is alot of history to suggest otherwise (IE, WMP). A minor sticking point is that Silverlight only officially exists on Windows and Mac.
3) I presume this is going to require a dedicated line. Otherwise they will need some sort of offline mode. I'm not sure how that is going to work on the Mac side. Sure offline kills any collaborative features anyway, but I would be curious on how support on the Mac side works with One Note or other Windows only components of office that don't currently have feature parity on the Mac Side.
Otherwise, the video didn't show me any more than this press release. They claim cross platform capabilities, but they never show it or talk about it.
On the contrary, I am not a big fan of Microsoft and I know a great deal about Microsoft. At the very least I know enough that when they claim cross-platform support, I am very skeptical based on past history. Microsoft (and Apple for that matter) can be quick to kill things and be very biased toward their own platforms. I am also very skeptical about trusting companies that were labeled a Monopoly by our government.
But that's just me.
Then just wait til next month when the tech preview of Office Web versions come out. Many of the videos that I saw on youtube apparently was deleted or taken down at MS request.
As for Sliverlight, you can just say the same thing about everything else, there is no true open source runtime like Sliverlight or Flash. The only difference is Sliverlight works fine on Macs without hogging all the CPUs like Flash. Moonlight works fine on Linux.
And OneNote will remain a Windows App only and I don't think there is any plans to bring it over to Mac. I loved OneNote, it was one of my favorite app and still one of the main apps that has no alternative on Macs.
Then why are you bothering posting on an ad-supported forum?I stopped reading after that.
Microsoft yesterday announced at its Worldwide Partner Conference 2009 that its forthcoming Office 2010 suite will gain a web-based component offering free, ad-supported . . .
True. I have noted before that we can't expect Mac information from day one from Microsoft when we are talking about their Windows Product (Office 2010 being different than the Mac equivalent). Heck, not even the MBU can comment yet and they would be the perfect team to ask! We will just have to be patient. Doesn't mean we cant complain and ask questions though!
Yes, I am aware of Moonlight, but that has no development comparison to Silverlight - Moonlight is a Novel product and from what I can tell is still quite buggy and behind in support. I am also still concerned if Silverlight's future is just going to be another flash where optimization varies greatly and weather or not MS is "serious" about cross platform as they have been with other projects on the Mac. Yes, it would be the same with any browser plugin and I would have loved something open source (HTML 5 like) but I know that will never happen. Hey, I can dream right?
And that is my biggest concern. You can still cal yourself cross platform and at the same time treat other platforms as if they are a wannabe secnd class citizen or the relative they are embarrassed over (like the way Apple probably feels when they are forced to talk about AT&T sometimes).
Didn't you get the memo? Mindless Microsoft bashing has been the in-thing since at least 2006.
Yes, but Microsoft isn't Apple, so they are evil.
The fact that Apple has arguably the most close and locked-down hardware in the industry apparently means absolutely nothing to anyone here. And yet when Microsoft offers Office for both Mac and Windows, it's somehow all part of an evil plot to get you "locked" into Windows.
Some of these comments are just hilarious.
It replaced Apple bashing.
People need to just grow up and understand that at the heart of everything is a corp. with nothing but money in mind. Apple more so than anyone.
It's called "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" something that has been employed by Microsoft many, many times. Internally it was official policy.
Officially Microsoft claimed that it was not anti-competitive, except that the courts thought otherwise. No one wants to see that happen again.
I agree, it was a bad time for Microsoft, and the technology sector in general. But times have changed.
You've never used Circus Ponies Notebook. If you have you would've never made that statement.
Tell me how the PS3, Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii are any less locked-down and closed in terms of their OS than Apple?
If you wanna play a PS3 only game, you can't play it on your Xbox, cause the Xbox can't run the PS3 OS. The same goes for the Nintendo. If you wanna play that PS3 game you gotta buy a PS3. Sounds like the Macintosh right?
But, there is a difference. If I wanna run that lovely game of Crisis on my Mac that's written in Windows, I can play it on my Mac by just installing the Windows OS.
Apple's stuff isn't as closed down as you try to make it seem to be.
Yes I have. It is the second closest to OneNote but it is not the Mac alternative for it (the closest is Curio). I am not looking for a notebook, but a free flowing notebook, or more specifically a hybrid sketch and notebook. Circus's Notebook has this annoying strict form that acts like we can only write on blue lines. It keeps getting into my way whenever I want to add something that is not part of anything.
It is not an alternative to OneNote.
OneNote 2010 became even more better with improved wiki type of links and so many other features that just continues to make it the best notetaking app on the planet for me.
Really? Do you know that for sure? After all - MS just recently got slapped by the EU for their anti-competitive practices. The point is, MS has a long way to go and has a lot to prove before we can say that have changed outside of the government keeping a close eye on MSFT to keep them honest.
Why are you comparing game consoles with operating systems? That doesn't make any sense at all. We are comparing software or operating systems made by apple and microsoft.
Apple loves locking people in just as much as microsoft, but because they are much smaller it goes much more unnoticed.
You're entire line makes zero sense. All this is tech. They all have their own proprietary OS. Did you even read what I quoted? The other poster said Apple is the most locked-down and that's not true. I can use any example I want. Leave it all to you and Apple gets backed up into a corner since you only want to compare two companies.
Notice how it requires users to have a Windows Live account? This is a clever (and typically underhanded) way for Microsoft to get people to join.
Not only that, they provide the web-based apps for free to gain dominance and kill the competition....because people tend to go for free instead of fee based. Hmm this is kind of like what they did with the web...they created Internet Explorer and provided it for free... MS can do this for free since they have the cash to eat the losses (again, MS's typical anti-competative behavior) while the competition, which doesn't have their cash, is left in the dust.
Not only that, they provide the web-based apps for free to gain dominance and kill the competition....because people tend to go for free instead of fee based. Hmm this is kind of like what they did with the web...they created Internet Explorer and provided it for free... MS can do this for free since they have the cash to eat the losses (again, MS's typical anti-competative behavior) while the competition, which doesn't have their cash, is left in the dust.