Microsoft Office 2015 (2016?)

[snifferdogx]

Download only available for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. And they took for friggin ever to download.

No cosmetic changes, seems to be just ironing out some problems. Will test the VLOOKUP in Excel to see if it works when I click and drag it down.

 

[Mais78]

Download only available for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. And they took for friggin ever to download.

No cosmetic changes, seems to be just ironing out some problems. Will test the VLOOKUP in Excel to see if it works when I click and drag it down.

Lets see if they fix the download link for Outlook...in theory there should be an update of that as well

 

[duhmask]

And I just bought Office for Mac 2011 3 days ago

This is interesting...

 

[umzyi]

Another minor update (15.10.1) available for MS Office. Update them using the Auto-update or install the individual packages available here:

https://support.microsoft.com/it-it/kb/3048689/en-us

Cheers

 

[petvas]

Another minor update (15.10.1) available for MS Office. Update them using the Auto-update or install the individual packages available here:

https://support.microsoft.com/it-it/kb/3048689/en-us

Cheers

Already discussed. Outlook and OneNote installers do not work yet. Word, Excel and Powerpoint can be downloaded though.

 

[Harmonious Zen]

And they've still made it a poor cousin to its Windows counterpart.

Are you surprised? That's probably always going to be the case. It's a Microsoft product!

 

[Traverse]

Try Cmd+` to switch between windows/documents in the same Office application.

I completely forgot about this OS X feature.

 

[Mais78]

Download only available for Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. And they took for friggin ever to download.

No cosmetic changes, seems to be just ironing out some problems. Will test the VLOOKUP in Excel to see if it works when I click and drag it down.

they removed the dowload link for Outlook and One Note altogether

 

[skaertus]

Are you surprised? That's probably always going to be the case. It's a Microsoft product!

As if Microsoft had to be blamed for that.

Let's look at some numbers:

• There are 1.5 billion Windows devices in the market, according to Microsoft;
• Microsoft intends to have over 1 billion users of Windows 10 at least;
• Microsoft Office is used by 1.2 billion people worldwide, according to Microsoft;
• Office for iOS and Android have been downloaded over 100 million times;
• Apple had sold 122 million Macs overall as of 2012;
• Apple had sold 78 million "modern Macs" according to Macworld, as of 2013;
•*More than 300 million computers are sold every year, and 15-20 million of those are Macs (the most Apple has every sold I guess were 19 million in 2014).

Mac numbers are nearly irrelevant compared to Windows numbers. Of course Microsoft will make a better Office for Windows. It's where the market is. Any huge investment on Mac Office may simple not pay off, while huge investments in Office for Windows is a requirement given this very attractive market for competitors (such as Kingsoft, for instance).

 

[iConnected]

And I just bought Office for Mac 2011 3 days ago

Did you buy it direct from Microsoft, by any chance?

I believe their Austrian online store has a 14 day no-hassle returns policy.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/mseea/de_AT/DisplayHelpReturnsRefundsPage/

 

[SeamusDeMora]

I've been using Outlook 2015 for a couple of weeks now. I got it for free because Outlook 2011 would not start after applying a "Service Pack" (Update 14.5). When I contacted tech support about this, they told me this was a recognized problem, and the solution was to install Outlook 2015 !!?? (Yes - you read that correctly)

I don't see any real improvements in Outlook 2015. It appears to be a monochromatic version of Outlook 2011.

I'd like to get some input from others in this forum to try to understand better how Microsoft has structured their support for the Office for Mac products:

I get support for my Outlook client through my MS-hosted Exchange service. Are there other avenues to get support from Microsoft for Office for Mac products?​

The support team I reach is based in India somewhere. I have gotten the idea from what I've heard that all of the Office for Mac software maintenance is also located in India. Has anyone else heard anything to support or refute this?​

My experience with the Office for Mac support team has been mixed. On a couple of occasions, they have directed me to do some really stupid, and dangerous/insecure things. From this experience, I have surmised that Mac support is a real weakness for them. Has anyone had similar or different experiences with Microsoft's Office for Mac support group?​

Regards,
Seamus

 

[grahamperrin]

… From this experience, I have surmised that Mac support is a real weakness for them. Has anyone had similar or different experiences with Microsoft's Office for Mac support group? …

Long, long ago (so long that I can't recall whether that group was involved) I was repeatedly dismayed by Microsoft misunderstandings of, and published misinformation about, some Apple technologies. Those misunderstandings had a clearly negative effect on the Office suite.

More recently, my experiences with SharePoint led me to realise a lack of connected thinking in key areas, for example designing (supposedly improving) SharePoint to disallow things; disallowances that make WebDAV file system integration mostly useless to users of OS X.

The design of Microsoft SharePoint causes Microsoft Office on OS X to work with WebDAV with SharePoint only in the very limited ways provided by Microsoft; no proper file system integration.

 

[duhmask]

Did you buy it direct from Microsoft, by any chance?

I believe their Austrian online store has a 14 day no-hassle returns policy.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/mseea/de_AT/DisplayHelpReturnsRefundsPage/

Unfortunately, I bought it from a physical store, I needed to digitally sign a document hence the abrupt purchase.

Thanks for the info, I'll check if I'm still within the 14-day period and attempt to return it.

 

[Traverse]

I'm still noticing some bugs in Word. Accessing the font menu usually leads to a the spinning beachball, spell check is slow to flag words, and auto correct is only half working.

 

[Mais78]

Can someone confirm the following:

in Finder if i select a file and right click, in the Share options I only have "Message", "Airdrop" and "More". I am missing Outlook. If I click on More it opens the available extensions menu and Message, Airdrop and Mail (with Outlook logo) are selected by default (and cannot be deselected) , still Outlook is not available in the share menu. Is it the same for you?

 

[Mais78]

I did a test. I switched back to Mail as default mail programme and in that case Mail it appears in the Share options, if Outlook is set as default email client then it does not appear in Share.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

As if Microsoft had to be blamed for that.

Let's look at some numbers:

• There are 1.5 billion Windows devices in the market, according to Microsoft;
• Microsoft intends to have over 1 billion users of Windows 10 at least;
• Microsoft Office is used by 1.2 billion people worldwide, according to Microsoft;
• Office for iOS and Android have been downloaded over 100 million times;
• Apple had sold 122 million Macs overall as of 2012;
• Apple had sold 78 million "modern Macs" according to Macworld, as of 2013;
•*More than 300 million computers are sold every year, and 15-20 million of those are Macs (the most Apple has every sold I guess were 19 million in 2014).

Mac numbers are nearly irrelevant compared to Windows numbers. Of course Microsoft will make a better Office for Windows. It's where the market is. Any huge investment on Mac Office may simple not pay off, while huge investments in Office for Windows is a requirement given this very attractive market for competitors (such as Kingsoft, for instance).

All of which is irrelevant. They chose to make Mac Office, they should at least do it properly.

 

[snifferdogx]

All of which is irrelevant. They chose to make Mac Office, they should at least do it properly.

Exactly, and 112 million Macs sold since 2012 is not a small number either, especially considering that people have bought and still use macs from 2-3 years prior to 2012.

Microsoft are playing games here. They have a market for their Office package in the mac users that is essentially unrivalled. The MS Office file formats are a gold standard, and feature parity between Windows and Mac should be a top priority for the Office packages.

 

[skaertus]

I'm still noticing some bugs in Word. Accessing the font menu usually leads to a the spinning beachball, spell check is slow to flag words, and auto correct is only half working.

Lots of bugs in Word. Sometimes my keyboard doesn't work. Sometimes copy + paste doesn't work.

 

[skaertus]

All of which is irrelevant. They chose to make Mac Office, they should at least do it properly.

Not irrelevant. Yes, they chose to make Office for Mac. It is not as good as Office for Windows, but it is still software used by lots of people. And, bad as it may be, Office is, for most people, the best office suite available for Mac. It will never be as good as Office for Windows, of course, as the Windows version is wildly popular and development pays off.

Now, Microsoft makes its Office suite for Mac, and it is better than other software available for Mac. And what about Apple? Apple wants to sell a line of computers, advertises it is better than PCs, charges a lot of money, and cannot deliver a decent fully-featured office suite, even though it is widely known that office suites are the most used software in the world.

Apple is the one that fingers should be pointed at, as it should support its own platform and put some substance in all this beautiful form it sells. Microsoft is just saving Mac users from being office-less.

 

[skaertus]

Exactly, and 112 million Macs sold since 2012 is not a small number either, especially considering that people have bought and still use macs from 2-3 years prior to 2012.

Microsoft are playing games here. They have a market for their Office package in the mac users that is essentially unrivalled. The MS Office file formats are a gold standard, and feature parity between Windows and Mac should be a top priority for the Office packages.

Still, Microsoft has no monetary incentive to make Office for Mac as good as Office for Windows. It doesn't pay off.

If feature parity should be a top priority, why doesn't Apple provide it with iWork? Apple has billions and billions of dollars in its bank account and doesn't spend even a little in developing a decent office suite. The office file formats (OOXML) are a gold standard, but they are a standard, and everybody can use it and implement it in its own office suites. Apple has the resources to properly undertstand this complicated standard, but it won't. Apple seems to be more interested in Apple Watch instead, which does nearly nothing... and now perhaps Apple Music.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Still, Microsoft has no monetary incentive to make Office for Mac as good as Office for Windows. It doesn't pay off.

The other point is that if Microsoft had coded Office "properly", portability would be less of an issue. Instead, we have the situation where the Mac version won't reach feature parity because of the work involved. I can't see how this isn't Microsofts doing.

 

[MLinneer]

I've discovered a problem with copy and paste. Copy text from a document with the language set to English (US), and paste it into another document, also set to English (US) but using different styles. Select Use Destination Style from the paste icon, and the language changes to French. Happens on my iMac and MBA with Word 15.10.1.

 

[snifferdogx]

Hmmm, interesting, Microsoft now has an Office 2016 beta Preview for Windows. Looks like they're making the interface look as close as possible between Mac and Windows.

And I don't buy the argument that Apple has any imperative to make iWork as a full featured product equivalent to Office. Microsoft has been producing Office for over 20 years they can bloody well make a package that's as close as possible between to platforms.

http://blogs.office.com/2015/05/04/...oft Excel - microsoftexcel_20150603_188274071

 

[skaertus]

The other point is that if Microsoft had coded Office "properly", portability would be less of an issue. Instead, we have the situation where the Mac version won't reach feature parity because of the work involved. I can't see how this isn't Microsofts doing.

Microsoft made a choice to code Office for Windows and Mac separetely so they could better integrate with each platform. Office for Mac is not a port of the Windows version; instead, it is a whole different product, so feature parity is not reached. It is Microsoft's doing, of course.

Still, Office for Mac is the best office suite available for Mac.