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It's consistent expense, not a rollercoaster of purchasing upgrades every few years or similar. For some, that's worth it.
That's a fair point even though if I got myself into a situation where that was more important than actually paying less I really would think my life through.
 
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That's a fair point even though if I got myself into a situation where that was more important than actually paying less I really would think my life through.
For folks who budget and companies, it makes things easier. It's easier to remember a monthly charge instead of a charge every 2 or 3 years. For larger companies, it's a huge benefit, as you're not paying a team of folks to maintain the inventory of who needs what license, as well as the teams to budget for it.

I know some companies who lease their datacenter hardware for the same reasons. For general personal use though, I think a subscription is a bit much. Personally, I use LibreOffice at home.
 
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With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.
This is exactly the problem - unlike Micorosft, other companies don't offer choice. It's sub or the highway. Not all of us need 24/7 support or cloud services. I definitely don't want constant updates either. These days, updates are full of issues and we really have to pray nothing breaks everytime something gets updated. I have an Adobe CC sub but I'm still staying on the 2021 version because it's most stable for my workflow. I much prefer to pay full price for CC2021 and upgrade only when the new version offers enough benefits for my needs. I don't ever use the cloud sync features and actively disable it using "hackish workarounds".

As for the $1600 phone, sure but the important thing is we still have a choice. We can buy a SE for instance. On the other hand, I can keep using my 8+ almost indefinitely without paying apple a subscription.

With office, I'm glad there's a perpetual version because at the end of the day, it's just an office suite for me. It's not the end of the world if i'm missing the latest clipart or emojis. Again, the important thing here is choice: Some need the latest and greatest while others are perfectly content with the existing set of features.
 
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Microsoft Office will soon officially be renamed "Microsoft 365," in the biggest rebranding of the company's office productivity software in more than 30 years (via The Verge).

ms-office-to-microsoft-365.jpg

You may have heard of Microsoft 365 already – that's because Microsoft renamed Office 365 subscriptions to Microsoft 365 two years ago.

But in the coming months, Office.com, the Office mobile app, and the Office app for Windows will all share the name of a new Microsoft 365 app, "with a new icon, a new look, and even more features," according to a company FAQ.

As part of the rebrand, traditional Office apps like Excel, Outlook, Word, and Powerpoint will all come under the Microsoft 365 umbrella, rather than be referred to as part of Microsoft Office.

For Apple device owners, the name change will likely be seen first in the Office iOS app. The Microsoft 365 mobile app replacing it will include a new apps module for commonly used cloud-based 365 tools, a central content hub and workflow feed, and a new tagging system for organizing content.

Perhaps somewhat confusingly however, Office 2021 for Windows and Mac will continue to be offered as a one-time purchase under the same name for the foreseeable future, as will Office LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel), even though Microsoft Office is now essentially a legacy brand.

Microsoft says changes will begin rolling out for Office.com in November 2022, and then changes will begin rolling out for the Office app on Windows and the Office mobile app in January 2023.

Article Link: Microsoft Office to Become 'Microsoft 365' in Biggest Brand Overhaul in More Than 30 Years
My college announced they will be giving us “Microsoft 365 email”…does this mean we will also be getting MS Office Suite?
 
No need for any Microsoft office products. Moved to the Apple equivalents years ago and never looked back. Any documents for clients are easily converted to Word when sent to them. The number of people who need the Office 365 products with all of their functionality is minuscule except for maybe Outlook. For most everyone Pages and Numbers are more than adequate, but corporate momentum keeps the sales up. You would think corporations would look at the situation and find a product on Windows that does what Word and Excel do and leave the real office products for those who need them at the company. Consider Acrobat, certain people need the full version, but most just need Acrobat Reader which is free. The "but it is only $X/month" gets everyone.
 
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There are sensible reasons to lose "Office" in the name.

But the name "Microsoft 365" doesn't convey anything about what the software is for?

And what was so bad about the names Word, Excel, and Powerpoint? Why not just use those?
 
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No need for any Microsoft office products. Moved to the Apple equivalents years ago and never looked back. Any documents for clients are easily converted to Word when sent to them. The number of people who need the Office 365 products with all of their functionality is minuscule except for maybe Outlook. For most everyone Pages and Numbers are more than adequate, but corporate momentum keeps the sales up. You would think corporations would look at the situation and find a product on Windows that does what Word and Excel do and leave the real office products for those who need them at the company. Consider Acrobat, certain people need the full version, but most just need Acrobat Reader which is free. The "but it is only $X/month" gets everyone.
Excel is so superior to Numbers that it isn't even funny.
 
Um. Whats wrong with Microsoft 365? Also most of the websites you visit run in Microsoft Azure, so its 'polluted'
Nope. That's absolutely not the same thing as having crappy Microsoft software installed on a Mac and getting random update popups etc.
 
"Microsoft 365" doesn't describe anything. They built up a product name for 30 years that the whole world recognizes and some genius throws it in the garbage and replaces it with an irrelevant 3 digit number.
 
I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.
Subscription models also mean the software has to provide lasting value to users, because instead of charging a customer $400 under the expectation that they’ll use that software for, say, about four years before purchasing an upgrade, the user has an option to cancel after a month or a year, leaving the developer with a fraction of that $400.
 
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Probably means that they will no longer offer an option to buy MS Office outright but only offer a subscription option where your computer always has to be online. :rolleyes:
365 likely applies to the subscription, while ‘Office’ will remain the perpetual product. Microsoft always said as long a there is demand for the non subscription version, they will always offer. That was like 8 years ago and they have remained committed to it with Office 2016, 2019 and 2021.

Besides, macOS has maintained good compatibility with older releases. It’s not like you need to upgrade to every new perpetual release.
 
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Probably means that they will no longer offer an option to buy MS Office outright but only offer a subscription option where your computer always has to be online. :rolleyes:
I’m so over the subscription model…especially for things like Photoshop that I might use for a week and not touch it again for a few months.
At least with Office, I use Excel and Word pretty frequently for personal things so I feel A LITTLE better about paying a subscription. It’s nice to have them tied into OneDrive since I use Office apps across multiple devices (mac and PC)
 
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No need for any Microsoft office products. Moved to the Apple equivalents years ago and never looked back. Any documents for clients are easily converted to Word when sent to them. The number of people who need the Office 365 products with all of their functionality is minuscule except for maybe Outlook. For most everyone Pages and Numbers are more than adequate, but corporate momentum keeps the sales up. You would think corporations would look at the situation and find a product on Windows that does what Word and Excel do and leave the real office products for those who need them at the company. Consider Acrobat, certain people need the full version, but most just need Acrobat Reader which is free. The "but it is only $X/month" gets everyone.
You have to consider that is not only Word and Excel. A lot of companies now are moving to MS 365 and Azure, and MS has built an ecosystem that integrates only with MS Office. LibreOffice / OpenOffice or the Apple suite limits don't have that kind of integration.
 
Child, you should see how poorly Microsoft Word for Mac stacks up against Windows. I migrated from Windows to Mac for the power of M1 and Apple ecosystem unity but hot damn, there are some really intuitive quality of life controls missing from Word for Mac. You can make headers and navigate through them on Mac, but unlike Windows, you can't click and drag to rearrange them, which means you must copy and paste an entire section.

I hope this rebrand gives us Mac users everything they've been withholding, though I sense they've been doing it to incentivise us to go Windows.
I fully agree with you, these crippled Office apps for Mac are ridiculous, however, if Microsoft would give the Office for Mac apps exactly the same form and functionality as its Office for Windows apps, they may probably loose substantial Windows OS market share. Pity though.
 
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I feel like I'm suffering from Deja Vu suddenly when I see members on here moaning about subscription models. I literally just wrote a post on this topic on another thread.

Here's the full article, but below is a summary of what I said: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...tures-and-complications.2365350/post-31617006

People have a very narrow-minded view of subscriptions and simply bemoan them without thinking about why companies are taking this approach. Times have changed people.

It was a very different world in software development before subscription models existed. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

Cloud data needs to be stored somewhere and this has costs yet we want more and more storage. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

Finally, many moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

I'm not saying all software should be subscription based. Small utilities and accessories don't deserve this, but full-fledged packages (even from the likes of Microsoft and Adobe), are well-suited to subscription models.

Do subscriptions actually drive the development of the product though? When you have to pay for upgrades, there is significant incentive for developers to create new features and make a better product so users will WANT to upgrade. With a subscription model, developers get paid regardless of what they do with the software. Seems like there would be less motivation to add new features, create improvements, or actually do what the user base wants.

Also, you reference being able to use the latest version as a pro for the subscription model. Change can be good, bad or neutral. I wouldn’t assume the latest version of any software out there is the best version of that software. It could be, but that isn’t something that can be assumed.
 
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Oh wow a rebrand. Just what we really need.

No, what we need is a completely not messed up version of outlook, which is starting to feel like the thing is a straw hut that is having bits of poo and straw slapped on it every release. Oh and the whole saving a file thing is absolutely a nightmare of complexity now.

Office got so bad I chose to use Pages and Numbers.
 
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Nope. That's absolutely not the same thing as having crappy Microsoft software installed on a Mac and getting random update popups etc.
Doesn't macOS display "random update popups" when there is a new version? You sound more like a parrot than someone who actually uses the modern version of Office apps. But I can guarantee you MS isn't missing your money. They are the industry standard that most of the world uses for productivity.
 
I'm really fed up with all subscription model, it just making even harder for me to track how much funds do I have left over.

People who don't use the app/services and yet still paying for it...
 


Microsoft Office will soon officially be renamed "Microsoft 365," in the biggest rebranding of the company's office productivity software in more than 30 years (via The Verge).

ms-office-to-microsoft-365.jpg

You may have heard of Microsoft 365 already – that's because Microsoft renamed Office 365 subscriptions to Microsoft 365 two years ago.

But in the coming months, Office.com, the Office mobile app, and the Office app for Windows will all share the name of a new Microsoft 365 app, "with a new icon, a new look, and even more features," according to a company FAQ.

As part of the rebrand, traditional Office apps like Excel, Outlook, Word, and Powerpoint will all come under the Microsoft 365 umbrella, rather than be referred to as part of Microsoft Office.

For Apple device owners, the name change will likely be seen first in the Office iOS app. The Microsoft 365 mobile app replacing it will include a new apps module for commonly used cloud-based 365 tools, a central content hub and workflow feed, and a new tagging system for organizing content.

Perhaps somewhat confusingly however, Office 2021 for Windows and Mac will continue to be offered as a one-time purchase under the same name for the foreseeable future, as will Office LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel), even though Microsoft Office is now essentially a legacy brand.

Microsoft says changes will begin rolling out for Office.com in November 2022, and then changes will begin rolling out for the Office app on Windows and the Office mobile app in January 2023.

Article Link: Microsoft Office to Become 'Microsoft 365' in Biggest Brand Overhaul in More Than 30 Years

Umm I think you're forgetting about Office 365, that was co-branded with Microsoft Office.
 
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