Microsoft Overtakes Apple as World's Most Valuable Company

[Wildkraut]

Satya Nadella is doing good, M$ is somehow acting like a startup, dymanic, flexible, etc. while Apple is becoming a slow Elephant.
Their hardware line up is not bad with few minor issues, i hope they fix it soon.
Their services are growing nice.

 

[MBAir2010]

Who else thought that  would "wipe up" Microsoft this quarter
mainly with that $19.99 polishing cleaning cloth?


which is being torn down by fixit today!

 

[Baretta]

Satya Nadella is doing good, M$ is somehow acting like a startup, dymanic, flexible, etc. while Apple is becoming a slow Elephant.
Their hardware line up is not bad with few minor issues, i hope they fix it soon.
Their services are growing nice.

The problem is that they‘ve become a complacent, self-adored company run by narcissist borderliners and their outlook is stationary. There won’t be an Car or -appliance that will skyrocket them above what they already are

 

[H2SO4]

I guess it depends on settings, usage and luck
I have used Mac for 16 years now, had about handful of non-serious issues over that period of time.
At my work in Japan, 5 years of windows, I am on a verge of throwing the Windows machine out of window

Yep, I guess so. Would be interested to know what the 'real' figures are.
The only three things I don't like about Windows now;

1. The update system is so hit and miss in so far as checking for what is available and actually doing the download. You look and it say 5 updates are available yet the thing sits there for two hours with all updates on zero %. Once you do update however I find that recovering from a baulked update on Windows is quite easy to deal with. Switch the computer off and strangely enough it recovers and picks uo where it left off.
2. It forces you to update unless you switch off Windows update that mysteriously switches back on by itself.
3. When the update is 'complete'. The next time you power up, you get, "configuring Windows updates".????

 

[bobtem]

“while Apple stands with $2.43 trillion”

That’s a typo. “Stands with” refers to solidarity. For example, “I stand with Macrumors in their efforts to improve editors’ knowledge of English grammar.”

Edit: MR fixed it.

To say nothing of just clumsy writing. “Microsoft and Apple will become increasingly more…” while not grammatically incorrect, is redundant and verbose. I point out this stuff a lot on MR, sometimes with agrees, often with disagrees.

 

[I7guy]

Satya Nadella is doing good, M$ is somehow acting like a startup, dymanic, flexible, etc. while Apple is becoming a slow Elephant.
Their hardware line up is not bad with few minor issues, i hope they fix it soon.
Their services are growing nice.

Sure if what is meant by “good” is all of the telemetry and spyware embedded in windows 10. Then I give M$ an excellent.

 

[Wildkraut]

Sure if what is meant by “good” is all of the telemetry and spyware embedded in windows 10. Then I give M$ an excellent.

As if Apple collects less...
Apple even tried to work around firewalls, to avoid blockades, but they got caught.

 

[I7guy]

As if Apple collects less...
Apple even tried to work around firewalls, to avoid blockades, but they got caught.

While I can’t prove it, my wet finger in the air is, yes, apple collects less and more can be turned off.

 

[Nick_P]

Long time AAPL and MSFT holder here

 

[binaryfuneral]

Apple is doomed

 

[Juan007]

Really try finding a new Xbox in a store lol

Xbox is a drop in the bucket compared to Microsoft's bread and butter. Apples main business is HARDWARE SALES. You don't understand this concept, so please go read some financial reports before making replies.

 

[genovelle]

Solid growth in product categories? You must be having a laugh.

The only decent product launch this year has been the MacBook Pro.

The HomePod Mini update is the most laughable, beaten only just by the 1mm Apple Watch screen size increase.

I hope this is a lesson to Apple. Sort it out for 2022, we want innovation.

Did you see the numbers? Everything was up by double digits with most being 20-36%!

 

[axellSAMA]

Still rather use Apple OS or Linux than be subject to ransomware attacks on Winblows.

In 12 years of using Microsoft products i never had been attacked with something like that. These things really happen at all? ))

 

[GrumpyCoder]

Satya Nadella is doing good, M$ is somehow acting like a startup, dymanic, flexible, etc. while Apple is becoming a slow Elephant.
Their hardware line up is not bad with few minor issues, i hope they fix it soon.
Their services are growing nice.

Nadella is really good. I hate Windows with a passion and avoid it and other MS products whenever possible, but I've always found Microsoft Research is doing things right. They come up new and very innovative stuff for ages and yet, whenever they handed it over to Microsoft to create an actual product, the MS guys screwed it up. Nadella brought the MS Research spirit over to the rest of the company and voila... they get things done. I'm having a very close eye on WSL, could be brilliant in the end.

 

[grkm3]

Xbox is a drop in the bucket compared to Microsoft's bread and butter. Apples main business is HARDWARE SALES. You don't understand this concept, so please go read some financial reports before making replies.

Oh really because they added 20 million game pass subscriptions at 15 a month from there new consoles that are sold out everywhere.

They make 1.5b a month on game pass alone. You do know that you need to pay to play online on x box right?

There is currently 100 million monthly xbox live users active each month paying for that so if anything xbox is a major source of Microsoft's income.

 

[triptolemus]

Why is Microsoft so valued?
They hardly sell hardware, their Windows is sold at OEM prices, desktop sales are declining, I am guessing its their cloud services?

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[Wildkraut]

In 12 years of using Microsoft products i never had been attacked with something like that. These things really happen at all? ))

Using Windows since, 3.11, not always as my primary OS, but more or less same same.
Sasser was the only one I got on Windows, and on Linux the Sony rootkit.
AmigaOS, OS2, NT, IRIX, Solaris, BeOS, FreeBSD, WinCE, PalmOS, Android, WebOS, MacOS and iOS: none

 

[Juan007]

Oh really because they added 20 million game pass subscriptions at 15 a month from there new consoles that are sold out everywhere.

They make 1.5b a month on game pass alone. You do know that you need to pay to play online on x box right?

There is currently 100 million monthly xbox live users active each month paying for that so if anything xbox is a major source of Microsoft's income.

Microsoft annual revenue is $180 billion range. Drop meet bucket.

Also thanks for making my point for me that MS bread and butter is SOFTWARE, not hardware sales, unlike Apple.

Now that you have lost the argument there is no need to post any longer, thanks. Just go read financial reports before you try to start argument with someone more informed than you are.

 

[grkm3]

Microsoft annual revenue is $180 billion range. Drop meet bucket.

Also thanks for making my point for me that MS bread and butter is SOFTWARE, not hardware sales, unlike Apple.

Now that you have lost the argument there is no need to post any longer, thanks. Just go read financial reports before you try to start argument with someone more informed than you are.

Lol so you telling me Microsoft can't make more money selling sold out xboxs? If they could produce 50 million units they would sell out before you could read this response. The hardware has been sold out for almost a year now.

 

[Timur]

AmigaOS, OS2, NT, IRIX, Solaris, BeOS, FreeBSD, WinCE, PalmOS, Android, WebOS, MacOS and iOS: none

No "Lamer" on Amiga? You did something wrong then.

 

[zarathu]

I hope this is a lesson to Apple. Sort it out for 2022, we want innovation.

Actually... most people do not.

 

[sudo-sandwich]

Microsoft has the most loyal customers ever. They made Vista, and everyone faithfully held onto XP until 7.

 

[Abazigal]

I hope this is a lesson to Apple. Sort it out for 2022, we want innovation.

I think the caveat in that statement is that different people will have differing takes on the sort of innovation they want to see in any particular product. Take the iPhone 13. It got faster processors, better battery and improved cameras, and this is really all the innovation that users need.

In contrast, Samsung bet the farm on folding phones, and the amount of internet buzz it generated doesn’t seem to correlate to better sales.

So there’s innovation, and there’s meaningful innovation that resonate with users and which they are willing to pay for. The apple ecosystem continues to get stronger, driven primarily by iphone users buying additional devices and services. Apple misusing Q4 revenue numbers is more a result of supply not keeping up with demand, rather than it being a weak quarter for Apple.

All things considered, Apple continues to hit it out of the ballpark year after year after year and I really don’t see any reason for them to change their overarching strategy of rounding out the Apple ecosystem and focusing on iPhone users first and foremost.

 

[Drisin]

Apple this year brings the best rock solid devices and microsoft brings an windows 10.5 with a surface double laptop studio mess and takes the first place )
Now you know how Wall Street analysts and experts think

When you sit on your hands and just paint new phones it gets boring! Apple hasn't innovated in 5 years! Everything we're seeing is OLD! They don't stretch the imagination they bring on the yawn! They don't excite with integration they frustrate with mail crashes and lost items. They don't ignite curiosity the raise the din of boredom! MS at least innovates, Glasses, touch screen computers that are innovative and the latest duo 2 screen.. has me looking at switching. Don't take this lightly Mac128k in 1985. Yep one of the first adopters! Now I'm becoming a hater!

 

[Abazigal]

When you sit on your hands and just paint new phones it gets boring! Apple hasn't innovated in 5 years! Everything we're seeing is OLD! They don't stretch the imagination they bring on the yawn! They don't excite with integration they frustrate with mail crashes and lost items. They don't ignite curiosity the raise the din of boredom! MS at least innovates, Glasses, touch screen computers that are innovative and the latest duo 2 screen.. has me looking at switching. Don't take this lightly Mac128k in 1985. Yep one of the first adopters! Now I'm becoming a hater!

By all means.

HoloLens is far from being ready for the mass consumer market. The surface duo still has a lot of shortcomings (based on YouTube review videos) and I will take my iPad over a touchscreen laptop any day.

You should switch, I feel, and see how that works out for you. As the saying goes - the grass always did seem greener on the other side.