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I do like the new Microsoft. Ever since they removed the founders from day to day management and reexamined Microsoft's place in the tech landscape, they've been making much better decisions.

I bought MSFT the day Balmer announced his retirement, and boy was that a good call.
It's amazing how much better the public perception has gotten. Maybe younger people can't remember how hated 'Micro$oft' used to be
 
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Solid growth in product categories? You must be having a laugh.

The only decent product launch this year has been the MacBook Pro.

The HomePod Mini update is the most laughable, beaten only just by the 1mm Apple Watch screen size increase.

I hope this is a lesson to Apple. Sort it out for 2022, we want innovation.

Talk about minimization of the truth. So product improvements only come in the form of drastic *visible* changes from the previous iteration? Got it.

I agree that the HomePod Mini mention during a live event was humourous, but that's all it was... a short and sweet mention, and then they moved on. It's called marketing.

We still have Jony Ive to thank for the high standards that products are designed to. He set the bar, and the company has learned from its mistakes of over-reach in terms of hardware minimization. Thinner and portless is not always better.
 
what do you expect, microsoft has far more products, and there are people that have been reliant on microsoft there entire lives. honestly it just shows how strong a company apple really is standing toe to toe with the largest tech companies out there... ie, microsoft, samsung, ect.. and more often than not come out ahead. I have no doubt that apple will be on top again in a very short amount of time.
 
And yet, Microsoft will miraculously dodge all antitrust complaints—and no noise will be made—despite having a near monopoly on the personal computer space. They aren’t even in FAANG, but Netflix is?
Antitrust hurts the consumers the most currently in the mobile space where platforms are locked down significantly. Microsoft notoriously failed to make a dent in the mobile space.
 
Apple this year brings the best rock solid devices and microsoft brings an windows 10.5 with a surface double laptop studio mess and takes the first place :))
Now you know how Wall Street analysts and experts think
Microsoft's bussiness are not Surfaces, Microsoft 's bussiness is the Cloud
 
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Microsoft is a software company and doesn't have to worry about supply chain. If the US dollar inflates then they just raise the price of their software / services by a corresponding amount. Apple doesn't have that luxury.
Thats why apple is trying to shift towards a software and service company that is not constrained by hardware and supply chain. But, iOS, iPadOS and macOS software quality issues keep haunting them to finish the transition they want.
 
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Is "the market" really stupid enough to punish Apple for a worldwide supply chain thrown into historic chaos by a once-in-a-century pandemic?

Apparently.

Also, what we're doing isn't really sustainable, is it? Apple is in the position of trying to pitch itself as a great steward of the environment and everything, but if they stop pumping out all these devices and convincing us to throw the old ones away, they die.

If they and everyone else do keep pumping out all these devices, disrupting ecosystems and tearing through the planet's finite resources at an ever-increasing pace, we all die.

If we were sane we'd be making things as modular as possible and keeping them for as long as we can, but, nope, can't do any of that because the market demands growth, growth, growth!
Wall Street fanatics and maniacs demands unlimited and untapped growth at all costs. THEY are the people that I wholeheartedly believe BEGGING to see the world burn into ashes while they hide inside their underground bunkers.
 
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Why any importance to one being valued more than the other?

If one has more revenue at higher margins, then one’s more valuable than the other. Whoppee.

Unless this matters to Tim to the point we’ll soon have $3000 base MBP’s, $300 AirPods, and $40 cleaning cloths.
Be more confident and bold, add another 0 to the mix. That’s what Tim wants to charge so he can buy Fiji and own the country.
 
Still, going to buy an M1 Pro machine - because best of both worlds ?
Even more so when Microsoft is diversifying their software packages to support multiple platforms as much as possible rather than sticking to windows forever.
 
I don't know why MS is worth so much, the only thing they are doing that makes money now is Cloud and by most accounts theirs is the worst.. the only reason most people use them is they get locked into some agreement by MS or devs that insist on .net and just a fanboys. Windows 11 is a flop, they have no real phone or tablet strategy. They do own a monopoly on PC gaming though, but hopefully the Steamdeck will change that! Honestly I wouldn't notice if they just disappeared one day.
 
I don't know why MS is worth so much, the only thing they are doing that makes money now is Cloud and by most accounts theirs is the worst.. the only reason most people use them is they get locked into some agreement by MS or devs that insist on .net and just a fanboys. Windows 11 is a flop, they have no real phone or tablet strategy. They do own a monopoly on PC gaming though, but hopefully the Steamdeck will change that! Honestly I wouldn't notice if they just disappeared one day.
The Steamdeck could change everything … or Valve could do what they so often do and get bored with it and forget about it almost immediately.
 
No... Apple's biggest source of income is the iPhone...
No... The iPhone accounts for about 39B in REVENUE for the latest quarter vs 18.5B on services but the Margins and Income are waaaaay better on the services side. 70.5% Gross Margins which is insane. So, mostly due to sharply higher costs in the iPhone (majority) part of the product category this is a trend anyhow - services are stable revenue and big margins.
 
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