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Microsoft Piles -- er Stacks?

Re: Re: TI not Apple

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
From that page:


Picking on the word "invented" gets us nowhere. It's obvious that Apple originated the idea and set about creating it with the IEEE.
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And IEEE 1394a is based on older tech that Apple was not involved with. Selective absorption is cool....

IEEE 1394-1995: Similar to 1394a, this is an earlier standard that has been replaced by IEEE 1394a. It is used in devices such as digital video cameras, but in the future most devices will comply with IEEE 1394a.
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From the same page even.
 
I was going to buy a Mercedes, but since they didn't invent the seat belt, airbag, CD player, wheel, automatic transmission, or internal combustion engine, they've obviously put no work into innovation. They're a bunch of bastards.
 
Re: Re: Re: TI not Apple

Originally posted by iPC
And IEEE 1394a is based on older tech that Apple was not involved with. Selective absorption is cool....


From the same page even.
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How is it selective absorption if they conceived it and it evolved from their original concept? Are all of the version of the 1394 spec based on different technology?
 
Originally posted by Wombatronic
Well, no one seems to have mentioned what happens when you right click on the start bar thingy. You get a menu with, among other things, "cascade windows", "tile windows horizontally", "tile windows vertically", "show desktop" ... etc

these have a similar effect as expose, but keep the windows in place (ie, used for arranging windows, not finding misplaced ones). If you like, you can right click again, and select "undo tile". Not sure who all the bozos where offering up bets that "windows apologists" have not used expose (I have, btw) but it seems they haven't used XP.

All this said, I agree with the Kid's point about smooth transitions. Makes it more pleasant, but it is still pretty clear that the *functionality* of expose is in XP (caveat: "omg omg, but is is not functional without the smooth transition and... and... WAAAAAA!!!" folks can bite me.)
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I offered up that bet to the windows apologists who clearly had not used the feature as you pointed out.

However, I stand by that bet that many who have criticized it have probably never used it and ironically, I think you agree. Which begs the question, why are you calling me a bozo.

If you bothered to read my other posts perhaps you see that I'm not just "soapboxing" and that I explained, in detail, how it is differnt than anything it Windows. It is changing the way a drag and drop operation is performed. You can tile windows all you want in XP, but not while you're dragging a file. Did you catch that? You can't drag a file and right click to tile your windows at the same time. Is it sinking it yet? XP is not as functional.

In addition, Apple has expose set up super easily with hot corners and hot keys. I even have a mouse button on an expert mouse configured for it. I don't have to right click, and select from a menu. I drag my mouse into a corner (quickly), press a function key, or press a mouse button on my expert mouse to use expose. There is just no comparison to that ease of use in windows. Pulling up a contextual menu (right-click) is simply not the same ease of use, it's nowhere close.

In addition, when you tile a bunch of open windows, you can't see the content of those windows. In expose, you see all of them, and what's going on inside in real time. Again, XP tiling, not nearly as useful.

I could go on but I think you're starting to get the idea. What I think is that expose is a brand new feature and that although you have used it, you don't really understand all it is capabale of. That, or you're trolling, I can't really say. But if you think right clicking multiple times and selecting from contextual menus is easier or the same, you should probably just stick to XP.
 
Originally posted by Wombatronic
Well, no one seems to have mentioned what happens when you right click on the start bar thingy. You get a menu with, among other things, "cascade windows", "tile windows horizontally", "tile windows vertically", "show desktop" ... etc
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Hmm, interesting. I had no idea that was there. I'll have to play with it and see what I think. Windows may have functionality closer than I thought (although I am now hooked on tabbing through my applications when expose is active, that's brilliant)

The only arrangment thing I knew of was the "Show Desktop" button between the Start Button and the minimized applications.

Does the show the desktop / undo minimize work better than the "show desktop" option beside the start menu? I'm afraid to experiment. After my last one I had to waste something like 10 minutes trying to figure out which windows I had been using.
 
it's useable on Windows, but it's nothing that you would want to use. Yes i have used Expose, and i like using it, but with Windows, it's too much of a hassle. But that's just me.
Originally posted by stcanard
Hmm, interesting. I had no idea that was there. I'll have to play with it and see what I think. Windows may have functionality closer than I thought (although I am now hooked on tabbing through my applications when expose is active, that's brilliant)

The only arrangment thing I knew of was the "Show Desktop" button between the Start Button and the minimized applications.

Does the show the desktop / undo minimize work better than the "show desktop" option beside the start menu? I'm afraid to experiment. After my last one I had to waste something like 10 minutes trying to figure out which windows I had been using.
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