Microsoft Posts 'PC vs. Mac' Section to Windows 7 Website

[linux2mac]

When the hack code gets executed (for example, a JavaScript on a web page), it tries to create a condition that breaks something in OS (like corrupt memory and use it to its advantage).

He stated, "There probably isn't enough difference between the browsers to get worked up about. The main thing is not to install Flash!"

So the secret to not getting hacked is avoiding Flash and staying away from questionable web sites. OMG, Steve Jobs was right!

And Steve was also correct when he said that Microsoft makes "really third-rate products."

 

[blunderboy]

Seriously, why are people so invested in defending a monopoly on an Apple forum?! Want to talk about how great Microsoft and Windows are? Go on a Windows forum. There are lots of 'em. That doesn't mean we need to praise Steve Jobs from the heavens, but leaping in to defend Windows at every opportunity is getting on my last nerve.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Seriously, why are people like UltimaLink, Rodimus Prime, DJEllison, Mike225, Lilo777, et al so invested in defending a monopoly on an Apple forum?! Want to talk about how great Microsoft and Windows are? Go on a Windows forum. There are lots of 'em. That doesn't mean we need to praise Steve Jobs from the heavens, but leaping in to defend Windows at every opportunity is getting on my last nerve.

Maybe we can not stand misinfomation being just spit out.
Your entire attack was rip apart by multiple people. Some of huge misinformation you put up was even torn apart by people complaining about MS.

Those were little things which really hurts all your facts. I sadly was putting things that more advance and over many peoples heads.

All in all I have a problem with Apple fans spitting out misinformation and repeated Apple lies unknowing because they make all of us who like Apple products look like mindless Zombies who can not think for ourselves and just repeat the crap out of SJ mouth.

 

[Mike225]

Seriously, why are people like UltimaLink, Rodimus Prime, DJEllison, Mike225, Lilo777, et al so invested in defending a monopoly on an Apple forum?! Want to talk about how great Microsoft and Windows are? Go on a Windows forum. There are lots of 'em. That doesn't mean we need to praise Steve Jobs from the heavens, but leaping in to defend Windows at every opportunity is getting on my last nerve.

Why would I join a Windows forum? I don't like to play grab ass with Windows fanboys like you guys do around here. I actually know of none anyways, to be honest. Closest I know of is Neowin which is Linux, Apple, and Microsoft.

 

[blunderboy]

Why would I join a Windows forum? I don't like to play grab ass with Windows fanboys like you guys do around here. I actually know of none anyways, to be honest. Closest I know of is Neowin which is Linux, Apple, and Microsoft.

But every single time someone says something positive about Macs, or criticises Windows (remember, as I said, a lot of us are ex-Windows users and voluntarily stopped using the OS), someone's got to come in and talk about how great Windows is. That gets really annoying, especially since, well, I've tried Windows. I don't like it. I'm on an Apple forum to talk about Apple products, not how awesome Microsoft is.

 

[Mike225]

But every single time someone says something positive about Macs, or criticises Windows (remember, as I said, a lot of us are ex-Windows users and voluntarily stopped using the OS), someone's got to come in and talk about how great Windows is. That gets really annoying, especially since, well, I've tried Windows. I don't like it. I'm on an Apple forum to talk about Apple products, not how awesome Microsoft is.

I dont see much in the way of people saying how awesome Microsoft is. Most of it is refuting what BS you and others are spewing.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

But every single time someone says something positive about Macs, or criticises Windows (remember, as I said, a lot of us are ex-Windows users and voluntarily stopped using the OS), someone's got to come in and talk about how great Windows is. That gets really annoying, especially since, well, I've tried Windows. I don't like it. I'm on an Apple forum to talk about Apple products, not how awesome Microsoft is.

Key word tried. That does not mean that you understand it and really know it in and out.
Windows and Microsoft make great enterprise level stuff. Something Apple quite frankly sucks at.
I never got into the in and out of using the OS. In that area I think it is personal opinion on which OS is better. On my Mac I miss the taste bar. Windows I miss Expose. Many of the things are just different.

As for the security I pointed out the truth and on things regarding little thing that are much more advance.

 

[blunderboy]

I dont see much in the way of people saying how awesome Microsoft is. Most of it is refuting what BS you and others are spewing.

One could argue that we're doing the same thing. People who migrated from the Windows platform have criticisms of it. What it ends up sounding like, though, is 'WINDOWS IS GREAT AND BETTER THAN MAC' every time it happens. On a Mac forum, you'd EXPECT people to say that the Mac is better than Windows, because most people voluntarily choose to use Macs, and have to decide to use them over Windows. Windows is seen as a 'default' operating system. If you buy any standard non-Apple computer, it'll probably have Windows on it unless it's an Ubuntu netbook.

People defending Windows from perceived attacks will probably be argued back with, because of the nature of the forum. I wouldn't say that people are acting fanboyish as much as they feel put on the defensive—they're on an Apple forum, talking about how they prefer the Apple platform, when voluntary Windows users show up to defend Windows from attacks they see as inaccurate. This puts people on the defensive, and annoys them, because it feels as though they're criticising them for choosing a different platform from the majority. 'Why don't you be like us? Why did you have to pick that different platform ANYWAY?!?!?!'

Basically, what people are doing is joining a forum for a minority platform—the Mac—mostly composed of people who voluntarily opted not to use the majority operating system (Windows) for whatever reason. People who switch tend to think these things out, because it's moving to an unknown experience. When people using the majority operating system criticise the minority operating system, which switchers have a lot invested in, it comes across as arrogant.

And to answer Rod's post—Yes, I've used Windows. I've used it for seventeen years. I know how to keep a Windows system clean and avoid a lot of the pitfalls a lot of end-users deal with. Does this mean I like it? No. I'm happy with the Mac. This is exactly what I talked about when I was referring to minority platforms. Don't assume that because someone doesn't care for Windows they haven't spent a significant amount of time with the platform.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

Key word tried. That does not mean that you understand it and really know it in and out.
Windows and Microsoft make great enterprise level stuff. Something Apple quite frankly sucks at.
I never got into the in and out of using the OS. In that area I think it is personal opinion on which OS is better. On my Mac I miss the taste bar. Windows I miss Expose. Many of the things are just different.

As for the security I pointed out the truth and on things regarding little thing that are much more advance.

Why, because a MacBook costs atleast $999? The bottom line is what most companies care about and if they can accomplish something for half the cost, then they will.

Talking about cost most technical enterprise computers aren't running windows but unix and even that is changing now that you can get free linux distro that accomplish the samething for well... free.

 

[Burger Thing]

Key word tried. That does not mean that you understand it and really know it in and out.

What kind of nonsense statement is that? He tried it. And he is not entitled for an opinion? I tell you what. I have tried Windows as well. I don't like, that essential stuff like a mail client is missing, that I have to run Anti Malware Software with daily updates, etc. That is, of course, with recommendation of Microsoft, who urges you, to run a 3rd party Anti Malware Software.

Really, some of the posting here, like this

Is not it a more prudent approach than what Apple does when it secretly adds anti-malware features to OS X while touting publicly OS X security?

are so laughable, it make me cringe.

 

[blunderboy]

I tell you what. I have tried Windows as well. I don't like, that essential stuff like a mail client is missing, that I have to run Anti Malware Software with daily updates, etc. That is, of course, with recommendation of Microsoft, who urges you, to run a 3rd party Anti Malware Software.

Don't forget the Windows patches that install every other day and ask you to restart! (Seriously, Microsoft doesn't keep sending out patches because Windows is more secure; it sends out packages because there are so many vulnerabilities and Microsoft has to run after them.)

 

[Mike225]

Don't forget the Windows patches that install every other day and ask you to restart! (Seriously, Microsoft doesn't keep sending out patches because Windows is more secure; it sends out packages because there are so many vulnerabilities and Microsoft has to run after them.)

So here again... No there are not patches "every other day" nor do most require a restart. Why do you feel the need to say stuff that is untrue like this?

 

[Burger Thing]

Don't forget the Windows patches that install every other day and ask you to restart!

They recommend to restart anyway regularly. With or without patches.

Restart regularly

This tip is simple. Restart your PC at least once a week, especially if you use it a lot. Restarting a PC is a good way to clear out its memory and ensure that any errant processes and services that started running get shut down.

Restarting closes all the software running on your PC—not only the programs you see running on the taskbar, but also dozens of services that might have been started by various programs and never stopped. Restarting can fix mysterious performance problems when the exact cause is hard to pinpoint.

If you keep so many programs, e‑mail messages, and websites open that you think restarting is a hassle, that's probably a sign you should restart your PC. The more things you have open and the longer you keep them running, the greater the chances your PC will bog down and eventually run low on memory.

On a lighter note:

LOL @ mysterious performance problems... As for me, I rather have a "magical" device than "mysterious" performance problems

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Why, because a MacBook costs atleast $999? The bottom line is what most companies care about and if they can accomplish something for half the cost, then they will.

Talking about cost most technical enterprise computers aren't running windows but unix and even that is changing now that you can get free linux distro that accomplish the samething for well... free.

I was not talking about cost or even thought it in the factor I was more talking about the software side.
Apple central IT control is poor, the Enterprise level network is just not as good and central IT security is not that good among other things.
OSX and Apple hardware is great for consumer and individual users but kicking it up to enterprise level it is not that good. For server I would honestly run either linux or windows.

 

[blunderboy]

So here again... No there are not patches "every other day" nor do most require a restart. Why do you feel the need to say stuff that is untrue like this?

I used Windows 7 fairly recently, on a PC I had. It did, in fact, constantly install Windows Updates. Every other day, almost, I'd see Windows Update doing its thing.

And for enterprise? I'd use a mixed system, with Linux servers as a definite. Maybe Macs with dual boots between Windows and Mac for apps that absolutely need to run on Windows, and maybe a couple dedicated PCs for when dual booting wouldn't be feasible.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Don't forget the Windows patches that install every other day and ask you to restart! (Seriously, Microsoft doesn't keep sending out patches because Windows is more secure; it sends out packages because there are so many vulnerabilities and Microsoft has to run after them.)

Do you even know MS patch schedule at all?

MS release security updates on the first Tuesday of every month along with other patches. So yes a restart on the first Tuesday of every month.

The other time they release a quick fix will be on a Zero Day or something major they found in house. They tend to release those much quicker.

 

[blunderboy]

Do you even know MS patch schedule at all?

MS release security updates on the first Tuesday of every month along with other patches. So yes a restart on the first Tuesday of every month.

The other time they release a quick fix will be on a Zero Day or something major they found in house. They tend to release those much quicker.

I admit I don't know Microsoft's patch schedule, and at this point, I don't need to; I don't own a PC any more, nor do I work with them (at work, I administer a lab of Macs). All I remember is Microsoft installing software constantly. It was a new installation of Windows 7, on a new computer. Many of these updates required restarts.

 

[MorphingDragon]

But wouldn't "more pixels per letter" also mean a larger letter? And, if I increase the font size on Windows won't I have "more pixels" too?

If you were actually versed in both operating systems you would know what I'm talking about. How Mac OSX renders fonts mean more pixels are used per letter than windows.

Which has nothing to do with my statement that "Most Windows users are using Terminal Services".

Were those references pre-Vista? (The question isn't whether the books came out pre-Vista, but whether they were talking about a network with XP and earlier RDP clients.)

Nope Server 2008, Windows 7 and RHEL 5 references.

Your statement didn't really have anything to do with my original statement, which is if you use terminal services you shouldn't be touching a server, because both major players in the enterprise space recommend against it. It doesn't matter if most Windows users are using it, most windows users are using IE but its still the worst solution one could pick.

 

[Mike225]

I used Windows 7 fairly recently, on a PC I had. It did, in fact, constantly install Windows Updates. Every other day, almost, I'd see Windows Update doing its thing.

And for enterprise? I'd use a mixed system, with Linux servers as a definite. Maybe Macs with dual boots between Windows and Mac for apps that absolutely need to run on Windows, and maybe a couple dedicated PCs for when dual booting wouldn't be feasible.

And did these "Every other day, almost" updates make you restart "every other day, almost"? I have a hard time believing what you are saying considering patch Tuesday is fairly widely known. Yes updating a new install of W7 does require restarts to get it up to date. It's pretty natural for that to be required.

 

[blunderboy]

And did these "Every other day, almost" updates make you restart "every other day, almost"? I have a hard time believing what you are saying considering patch Tuesday is fairly widely known.

They made me restart pretty often. I know that Microsoft does have a defined patch schedule, but I was getting a lot of Windows update notifications. Maybe it was because I had a new PC, and it was shipped before the most recent patches could be applied. When I did see those updates, it did seem pretty strange to me at the time that there WERE so many Windows update notifications, considering how less frequent they were when I had an XP system.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

I was not talking about cost or even thought it in the factor I was more talking about the software side.
Apple central IT control is poor, the Enterprise level network is just not as good and central IT security is not that good among other things.
OSX and Apple hardware is great for consumer and individual users but kicking it up to enterprise level it is not that good. For server I would honestly run either linux or windows.

Any examples or are you just making this out of your .... like usual?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I admit I don't know Microsoft's patch schedule, and at this point, I don't need to; I don't own a PC any more, nor do I work with them (at work, I administer a lab of Macs). All I remember is Microsoft installing software constantly. It was a new installation of Windows 7, on a new computer. Many of these updates required restarts.

You do know this put even more damage on your credibility of everything you are saying against windows.

Not knowing about patch Tuesday. Saying every other day which I know is not true. They do not put them out that often. There just a lot what you keep saying that does not add up.

 

[Mike225]

You do know this put even more damage on your credibility of everything you are saying against windows.

Not knowing about patch Tuesday. Saying every other day which I know is not true. They do not put them out that often. There just a lot what you keep saying that does not add up.

His name is blunderboy, he can't help it. Im going to "never post again in this thread, almost".

 

[MorphingDragon]

Any examples or are you just making this out of your .... like usual?

I honestly don't know what he would be referencing too.

 

[blunderboy]

You do know this put even more damage on your credibility of everything you are saying against windows.

Not knowing about patch Tuesday. Saying every other day which I know is not true. They do not put them out that often. There just a lot what you keep saying that does not add up.

*rolleyes* Because I didn't have a perfect experience with Windows, and because I was, in fact, inundated with Windows update notifications, means that I'm just making things up to spread FUD about Windows, when I have no interest in doing so? 'Every other day' was an example of hyperbole. Look it up. I'm not saying they were literally *every other day*. They did appear MUCH more often than they normally would have. I said in a previous post, after Mike225 commented on what I'd said about patches 'every other day', that the reason WHY Windows Update might have come up so much was that I was working on a new computer which might not have HAD the most recent Windows patches because it shipped before they could be applied. This doesn't undermine what I was trying to say. Again, what's the point in defending Windows constantly?