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Microsoft locks in authorized resellers as well as clients whom have an existing MS Windows Server, Exchange Server, and SQL Server production server licenses NON-equal transfer to use their Azure Cloud service equivalents.

Microsoft's Store also prevents you from grabbing a few of their specific applications outside of their store (free/cost) as you can with 3rd party applications. I guess their CEO forgot about this.

They definitely have a gain against paying less to Apple since their a huge competitor and a client as they're a client of Apple so any less they pay is a win-win for them - especially if it's a bias suggestion since their in-bed with Samsung and Google's Android (the latter in 2021 Surface smartphone devices Duo and Book).
transfer/migrate to postgress . For me i stick mysql for production. Sql Server upon hell broke loss cannot recover backup.

You didnt need more aspx to run in windows. Run in linux .net core and with sql server for linux.
 
I have an Office 365 Personal subscription. I purchased it in-app. I would be surprised if Microsoft didn‘t cut a deal with Apple where the percentage they’re paying is less than 30 or 15 percent. Apple needs Office on iOS more than Microsoft does.

You do know that you can buy an annual sUbscription much cheaper through amazon etc than going through Microsoft or the app. I get the family sub for 60% of the annual price Microsoft sells it for.
 
lol you really think developers will lower the price of that $1 app to $0.70 if they don’t have to pay Apple?

What makes you think they would universally charge $1, especially if Apple let developers set their own prices and not just #.99
 
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Exactly. If I don't like any of that, I can take my product to someone else like Target, Costco, Best Buy, etc. This is what open competition allows and is completely opposite of what Apple allows.

You can do that for mobile apps too, it's just that there is really only one other store, the Google Play store (which from what I understand has similar terms in many, but not all, respects). That fact that there are less options in the mobile phone space is not a result direct result of anything Apple has done (such as if they'd bought and absorbed other mobile phone/mobile phone OS makers to reduce their competition). Just like you don't have the right to demand that your product be sold in Walmart for the customers that visit it, neither can you demand your product be sold in the Apple App store for the customers that visit it.

If there were 10 different smart phone/smart phone OS companies out there each with their own stores I don't think this discussion would be going on, but since there has been so much consolidation in this sector it's coming up for debate. Neither Google nor Apple have gone out and aggressively bought up/merged with their competition like what happens in some industries, it's just come to a point where it takes so much financial and technical inertia to operate these ecosystems (as well as the general population's desire to find a mobile OS that suites them and stick with it) that it creates a large barrier to entry for other companies to try and enter the space.
 
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problem is, it's anti-competitive and that hurts us, the consumers of apps since developers could be much more competitive in pricing if they weren't paying 30% off the top
No they wouldn’t - For example I don’t mind current pricing for stuff, I have however serious issue with value of some subscription based apps

if Apple’s cut decreases, prices won’t follow by same % so costumers won’t win anything
 
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MS should be careful, or the antitrust people will start looking into how much it costs to put stuff on the Xbox store
 
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No they wouldn’t - For example I don’t mind current pricing for stuff, I have however serious issue with value of some subscription based apps

if Apple’s cut decreases, prices won’t follow by same % so costumers won’t win anything
i want adobe box not subscription.Seem cheap but not.
 
Windows, Word, Excel has MONOPOLY in all companies! But I guess it wasn't on the agenda.
Having or being a monopoly is not illegal. Using that monopoly to stifle competition is. Luxottica owns over 80% of the sunglasses and eyeglasses market and clearly has a monopoly. Sirius XM is the only satellite radio available. By it’s very nature, a patent ensures a monopoly for about 15 years.

Editing to add that’s why Microsoft got into trouble years ago with Internet Explorer. They used their monopoly to stifle competition by forcing PC manufactures to make IE the default browser. Google has had several issues, including one instance where they used their dominance in the ad market and prevented other advertisers from placing ads on websites where those sites were using Adsense.

Both companies were monopolies, which was fine. It’s when they used their dominance to prevent competition that it became illegal.
 
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How? We use gsuite at work.
You got Google Play Store too.
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Jfc. I know it’s unbelievably easy to dump on Microsoft on an apple related site. But you just come off as insecure. I’m so tired of this constant ******** on Microsoft around here. It leads to zero discussion.

Microsoft isn’t complaining about competing with the iPhone. As far as anyone can tell, they have zero interest in that. Instead, they’ve positioned themselves as more of a services company more than anything. And it’s smart. The duo looks like a legit awesome device that I’m sure is going to do pretty good in the corporate space. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

the issue here is the App Store. It’s the same problems that come up time and time again. Between the 30% cut, the fact that developers can’t put a CTA that says “go here to sign up” (say what you want, THATS a crap UX issue that shows up because of Apple).

I don’t even know why I’m bothering typing this out. You’re probably going to make some half assed comment ******** on Microsoft because you don’t like them
Microsoft XBox Store takes 30%. Plus a dev program fee. Plus a fee per update! DLC, Digital Codes, etc.
 
By the law it's self evident that Apple as a Monopoly as it can deny anybody to put an App in the only available store for ANY reasons they want. We will see what happen, it is more about politic then anything else.
While your add it make sure you include the MS Xbox Store, Nintendo Store, Playstation Store did I miss any?
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I guess Brad forgot about the Xbox Live E-commerce store they run where Microsoft takes 30% of a game publisher’s Xbox App Store revenues.
Plus a percentage of every disc pressed, plus DLC, plus update fees in the $1000s...
 
dont think so.

.net core can be deploy on mac/linux
sql server can deploy in docker mode.
office in mac/ios
azure have linux vm.

what really shaddy in macos arm
. nobody knew homebrew will work.
nobody knew performance 80386_64 apps will work

apple store doesn't have the capability to distribute apps privately except own company and we must be paid yearly.
** i mean custom vendor 2 vendor apps which no need freakin "APPLE" need to provide access login.
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apps ipa cannot be side load or will hassle in installing to mac each time have update or paid apple developer for publish it.
It was painful reading your post. And yes I'm making a point to say that.

Companies can install IPAs via MDM if they need to distribute to employees internally. As far as the public, yeah it's a pain but the App Store exists to remove that pain. 😏
 
If I were a developer, I'm not sure how I'd feel about the 30% cut. On the one hand, Apple's solution is elegant and they'd handle all of the tedious details like hosting, payment processing, etc, things I'd have to pay for myself otherwise. So I see the appeal. However, I have no choice. And neither do consumers. If my app doesn't meet Apple's "standards", consumers will never get to use it and decide for themselves if they want it. Apple has already made the decision for them. And if I want to host my own site, sell my software directly, and create a relationship with my customer --- like I can do today on macOS --- that's not possible. To me this is inherently problematic and it's only a matter of time before some government (US or otherwise) steps in and forces some changes.
If you were a developer it would be the same as any other environment. MS Xbox Store, Nintendo Switch and Playstation Stores all charge 30%, update fees and they choose which title can be sold on their stores. Mortal Kombat couldn't be sold on the SNES until it remove (re-painted) the blood!

30% is what a developer would be happy to get if they has a boxed item on a retail shelf like Best Buy or Target.
 
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It's funny how there's complaints that side loading apps is "a pain", as if it's the primary method of app distribution.

Let's face it, devs want to use the App Store rent-free and keep 100% of the profits. That's not how the business world works. Unfair? Don't be in this business then, it's not for everyone.

I've beaten this to death: free apps don't pay a dime except their annual dues for the dev program. Free apps represent over 90% of apps on the App Store. All that bandwidth and cloud storage space they could be charging for is being used rent-free.

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Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google should all get roughed up a little bit, frankly. Consolidated market power isn’t good for anyone.
 
I read and responded to the hyperbole as written.
You have clearly misunderstood my post. My post never even hinted that I thought every app would be “universally” priced at $1. I’ll rephrase it for you:

lol you really think developers will lower the price of, for example, a $1 app to $0.70 if they don’t have to pay Apple?
 
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According to Wikipedia it’s 30%.

EssilorLuxottica, which now occupies nearly 30% of the global market share and represents almost a billion pairs of lenses and frames sold annually.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica
Quoting from Wikipedia is always met with skepticism. Schools don’t even allow it as a reference. Wikipedia themselves say they aren’t a reliable source.


I got my statistic from https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/monopoly-examples/
 
It was painful reading your post. And yes I'm making a point to say that.

Companies can install IPAs via MDM if they need to distribute to employees internally. As far as the public, yeah it's a pain but the App Store exists to remove that pain. 😏
its not. We dont want apple to access our app and test either it was b2b or b2c.
 
I have no problem with Apple charging 30% or even 99% on their App Store.

I do have a problem with us not being able to download apps outside of the App Store. iPad is being pitched as a computer replacement. Can you imagine not being able to install software on your Mac or Windows computer? Let us check a box saying we understand the risk and allow us to download directly. If people are getting that much value out of the App Store, then they will continue to use it. Apple knows people are not and that is why they are keeping us locked in.
 
You have clearly misunderstood my post. I’ll rephrase it for you:

lol you really think developers will lower the price of, for example, a $1 app to $0.70 if they don’t have to pay Apple?
some people see 30 cents while reality it may 300 grand lost :(. Some country pay cheap low price for programmer and the quality of apps/system getting low each day.
 
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