Are you seriously suggesting that just because there is a pandemic going on, parts of government not related to healthcare should just sit on their hands and do nothing until that is solved? If you are in the US, that could be a long wait considering the parts of your government that are in healthcare already do exactly that, sit on their hands and do nothing.
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That's not the point. The point is developers have a choice to develop for iOS or not. It is not the only game in town; and if they don't like Apple's rules develop for Android or any the dozens of others. It reeally is a simple chooice. No one owes developers access to a platform on the developers terms.
Microsoft give choice other browser but still they been sue in Europe for anti monopoly.Google also been hit this issue.
You still confuse about platform. If i developer android application, i can go to other distributer whom may take lower or higher or i can distribute private among business 2 business consumer. While consumer even 5% using apple platform i also need provide support even loss. What i can said to client , you need to follow the rule and paid a lot and less flexibility as Other platform like Android,Linux or Microsoft.
Apple also old days open their hardware to other vendor then close it .
The reason this thing happen compare before 1998 is steve job comeback and make the company great again
. Just that, if non they can proclaim we only sell package hardware and software and pro-claim is security reason.
Quoting from Wikipedia is always met with skepticism. Schools don’t even allow it as a reference. Wikipedia themselves say they aren’t a reliable source.
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I got my statistic from https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/monopoly-examples/
Studies have shown Wikipedia about as accurate as other reference material.
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The Lux 80% market share originally came from an unsourced Forbes piece and has been repeated often. (And once again here). At the very least it’s an unsafe statistic.
Does Luxottica Own 80% of the Eyeglass Industry?
It's true that Luxottica controls a large chunk of the eyewear industry, but possibly not nearly as much as 80 percent.
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No they don't. Not when a party like Apple grows to the size it has, particularly in NA. That's the whole point. At some point a party can grow so big, it can do whatever the hell they want and everybody has to suck it up and take it. Apple is at that point, or close to it so regulators are keeping checks.
EDIT: this doesn't mean Apple or any other party is evil or bad right now. However, a company the size of Apple and with the cash reserves of Apple could in theory disrupt and destroy the mobile phone market to the point they could raise the price of their phones to $2000 and their App Store commission to 70% Apple and 30% developer and get away with it if they were allowed to whatever they want without rules and checks.
These things are not because Apple is doing anything wrong, these things are so that conditions are created that prevent Apple (or any other party) do anything wrong in the future. Because the above scenario would be very bad for us, as consumers, if that were to happen. I know it is blasphemy for a lot of Americans, but unmanaged and uncontrolled capitalism does not work. Just like a pure democracy without safeguards in a constitution does not work.
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Yeah, and it sucks. It’s much easier to select what you want and just double click.
If I started a store in my town, I would decide what to sell in it. If it became the most popular store in my town, I wouldn't be restricting what I sold because the other stores cannot match my business revenue.
I won't go down that road. Lol. Apple straight up doesn't sell license for MacOS w/o the expensive hardware.
MS had a monopoly position on the OS and used that to keep competitor's in browser at a disadvantage; very different from Apple and the app store.
As I pointed out, you have options other than Apple because Apple is does not have a monopoly position in the mobile phone business, unlike MS did in the desktop.
Yup. Even published schematics. You could even call them and actually speak with an engineer, sometimes even Woz.
The reason this thing happen compare before 1998 is steve job comeback and make the company great again
Which is their choice, just as developers get to chose if they want to follow Apple's rules in order to access their user base.
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Except Apple is not in a monopoly position, their market share is what 56% in the US and lower worldwide, and cannot dictate terms for the broader market. Consumers have a choice, as do developers, all across the price spectrum.
Apple has not colluded with MS/Google/Amazon to fix prices, for example. They could be accused of limiting competitors access to being the prefered app for say mail or browsing, but they fixed that. I agree it is important to watch a companies actions as it grows to a significant. market share; but the ultimate question is can the company dictate prices and stifle compettiion to the consumer's disadvantage?
In Apple's case, the answer so far, IMHO, is no; and developers are not customers but suppliers so they are not part of that discussion. Even when Spotify charged more on the App Store consumers could still get the cheaper rate online; so in the end no consumer harm occured; except by Spotify being obstinate.
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since when microsoft monopoly os ? if so i cannot use macos
as i said you still confuse . i can develop any app executable in linux deploy in macos , windows ,linux(platform) and distribute to any sales platform i want.
I can develop android apps in linux,windows,macos(platform) and distribute whatever i want play store,huawei store,samsung store.
I only can develop ios apps in apple platform(must) and deploy in only apple store .
As conclusion here , apple language swiftui only good on their platform and not flexible as microsoft solution which can deploy ,distribute by any vendor.
Apple software market is small and only can distribute in their store and vendor very limited and getting limit upon arm fiasco.
So to prevent limitness software in apple store(macos) maybe apple no choice to unify one platform .
note : server platform dominate by linux flavour like ubuntu,centos not microsoft.
consumer platform dominate by microsoft.
designer,video,developer dominate by macos .
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Well, yeah. It's their store. As a company, you can't force Home Depot to carry your stuff either.
Hardly. It's just difficult to tell sometimes on text based forums when people are serious or seriously stupid.
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You don't need to be in a monopoly position to get regulator attention. You just need to be in a position to negatively influence the market for your own gain, something Apple is easily capable of.
Again, it is not a bad thing nor does it mean Apple did something wrong. It's more about ensuring they won't.
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COULD INSTEAD USE... how many do?
Isnt it the same with phones?
If you don't like Apple's App Store, buy an Android phone and use theirs.
Most non-vendor apps are in both stores.
And sometimes Microsoft's too.
If people really hated the app store their phones use people would vote with their wallets next time.
I like the app store: buy once, use on all phones. sometimes tablets. and soon, on Macs as well. if they want.
i can install other web browsers if i dont like the Apple one.
as for complaints of 30% fee, delivery, vetting, advertising, eco system all cost money.
the store is known and used because that 30% keeps it running.
It's not about the iPhone.
An antitrust investigation would be the right thing to do. It's about the App Store, and Apple has a monopoly there. It forces all developers into the app store, because Apple prevents users from installing apps from any other source. It not just forces the developers into the app store, it also forces them to pay a ridiculous amount not just for getting listed, but also for in-app purchases and subscriptions, even if these subscriptions could be purchased elsewhere.
You can love and like Apple all you want (I do), but Apple is clearly abusing the market, and that's bad for consumers and developers alike. Apple needs to be forced to allow apps from other sources, end of story.
Now stone me.
It's about a lot of things, but it is not about if people like the app store. People in America voted for Trump too, doesn't make him a great president, does it?
It's about the possibility that not having choices can create a competition stiffling situation, which is bad for users in the long run even if they themselves right now love or don't have a problem with the App Store.
To quote Steve Jobs: people don't know what they want until you show it to them.
Excel was a ripoff of VisiCalc and Lotus123. It's just that Microsoft had Windows95 and made sure other software ran really bad on it by not releasing the api's at the start.
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I didn't say it was illegal, but I was rather referring to their past and how they didn't publish Windows95 api's so other software makers could get their software ready for the release. Which killed competing products like Lotus123 and WordPress allowing Word and Excel to gain their dominance today.
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Let's compare this to something else. Take Amazon. You are a 3rd party seller wanting to sell your goods. You really think you have the right to say hey Amazon Im going to sell my stuff on your site, that you pay to maintain and used your money to build its reputation to what it is now, and not give you 1 penny? I mean good luck I guess?
You want to play in someone's sandbox they built up on their money and consumer capital then it is pay to play. That is how the world works; nothing is free.
Now you can argue 30% is too high or not, but all devs should have to pay Apple SOME piece for using their store and customer base Apple built up on its own money.
You want to play in someone's sandbox they built up on their money and consumer capital then it is pay to play. That is how the world works; nothing is free.
Now you can argue 30% is too high or not, but all devs should have to pay Apple SOME piece for using their store and customer base Apple built up on its own money.
Exactly, and if you don't like the Apple app store..or the way Apple does business...don't use them. Thee are others, Samsung, Google, etc
wordstar or maybe wordprefect. bro.... not wordpress... old days blue thing.
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Pages and numbers are free, but still people buy the Office package. Saying something is monopoly doesn't say it's 100% marketshare, but a dominating marketshare to be a barrier for new competitors.
Let's not reinvent history, shall we? VisiCalc was, almost overnight, killed by Lotus 1-2-3, then bought by Lotus and then killed off (sound like a familiar practice from some certain company we know and love?). Lotus 1-2-3 grew to be the dominant spreadsheet application during the 80's and 90's on DOS before it went into obscurity not because Microsoft hindered them, but because they (like WordPerfect) reacted way too slow in adopting the graphical user interface for their software. They thought they could just continue in DOS like they were doing and their customer base would not leave and were proven wrong.
Their growth to fame and decline into obscurity had nothing to do with Microsoft but everything with complacency and laziness.