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Microsoft Releases New Anti-iPad Ad Highlighting Surface Accessories
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So are you suggesting that a device that offers expandable memory is a bad thing? Regardless of how much the OS does or does not take up. Is expansion not preferable as an option?
I think MS is late, Windows RT sucks but I think they are taking advantage of the lacks of iOS, I DO NEED a USB port on my iPad, I DO NEED a real file system, I DO NEED to connect my iPad without using iTunes and the Multitasking on iOS is definitely really poor.
That's a new low even for MS. Inferiority complex at its worst. When Apple did it at least it had style and humor. When Samsung did it, it was just as bad as MS but at least we know Samsung and we're very familiar with its bad taste in ads (and in everything really). Maybe they should focus on making a better product to deal with those sales figures.
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Well, try selling it to my wife. So you start "The Surface RT has a USB port, and the iPad doesn't. " She thinks: What is a you ess bee port? I don't know what that is. Sounds difficult to me. I don't know if it's too difficult for me. I'd rather have an iPad.
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The weird part about it all is Apple is switching to Bing which helps Microsoft and the turn around is Microsoft trying to screw Apple with this idiotic tablet ad.......BUT......Microsoft is too stupid to realize that they are hurting themselves while helping Apple in this ad. Making Siri the star attraction puts the attention on the iPad to anyone watching. And for the people who analyze ads know that adding the prices at the end to show who's cheaper just proves desperation of Microsoft.
The reason for Bing is that Apple will much rather support Microsoft than Google at this point in time. For multiple reasons: Microsoft is generally more harmless now than Google, Ballmer was never on the Apple board and thrown out, and I suppose that Microsoft is more trustworthy with users' data than Google.
Exactly, Microsoft's ads keep shamelessly trying to point out features that haven't necessarily been a problem for many people with the iPad. Well that's what a company does when they can't think of anything.
RIP Surface RT and Surface Pro. Microsoft, stay in the software business. Even the XBOX One is getting little fanfare. Too big and clunky. Sony's PS4 will get the business this time around. Microsoft needs to give up on the hardware business or give up on the CEO. Both ideas combined could change MS for the better.
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Personally I have no problem with Bing, in fact it's returned better results on some occasions than Google. Just odd that Apple is helping MS by using Bing as the default Search and MS is trying to screw Apple in these ads....but TBH, MS is really helping Apple in these ads, but I'm sure it's not intentional.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most consumers do not want Windows or desktop experience on there mobile devices. Who wants to hire someone to fix their mobile device cause of fragmentation or registry issues? These days its about mobility and efficiency. USB seems like outdated technology these days.
I think even the Windows Brand does more harm than good for MS at this point. The phone appears to be a nice product but the brand name alone probably turns off many folks. When you think of Windows, you start thinking about blue screens and tech visits. Certainly not an experience anyone looks forward too.
Exactly, Windows is becoming less relevant day by day. Too many non-Windows options for the consumer and in the business world many companies are allowing employees to bring in iPhones, Android phones and especially iPads and Macs. Microsoft thinks that Windows will hold it's dominance for an eternity. It was forced upon us in the beginning with a strong monopoly making it difficult for anyone that wanted choice. Now people have choice and Microsoft needs to realize this rather than being petty.
Nah that theory was massively disproved when you break down what's on the hard drive, nice try. It gets even better, when compared with say OSx it's at least similar if not better in terms of hard disc space.
This is one of those perpetuated myths which keep resurfacing due to ignorance.
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She is foreign?
Maybe there is a phrase for USB in her language?I think that is true for MOST people. I want the Surface Pro because of what it can do, yet at the same time I want a simple device that allows me to just check a few things and read etc.. I also know most people somehow never learn the most basic of repairs after using a computer for fifteen years and cannot just fix it themselves so a simpler device can be useful for that.
Maybe, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but we have not seen that put to the test yet due to 1) ipads have been out FAR longer than windows tablets, and 2) MS screwed up their windows tablets release very badly.
My own personal litmus test is how popular would laptops be if they were released with iOS? I don't know, maybe they would be hugely popular, they have been much smaller, lighter and have better battery life. On the flip side they would have been unable to do most of a desktops function. Similar to today where the ipad really has very little "PC" functionality to replace a desktop or a laptop. A windows tablet can, however, replace a laptop. I believe there are a lot of consumers out there who would like to replace their laptop instead of carrying their laptop and their ipad, I know that was the case with me.
The ipads have been the tablet standard for a while now, and people just have grown accustomed to thinking they are all a tablet is capable of, media consumption. If you could have a tablet the SAME size, weight, thinness and battery life of an ipad, BUT you could have the same full OS you have on your desktop and laptop AND you could switch to an easy mode for dummies, AND it cost the same or in most cases less than an ipad I don't see why consumers wouldn't prefer it in some cases. Certainly we can't look past the incredible market appeal and coolness of Apple as a company, plus they make some incredible hardware, and of course as I mentioned Microsofts awful awful strategy.
Plus the whole blue screens thing is a thing of the past, just a smoke screen the ignorant throw up these days. Windows 7 was extremely stable, in the years I had multiple desktops and laptops I could count the number of blue screens on one hand, and that was with machines that had a lot of different brands of hardware in them, desktops with video cards and other peripherals that added complexity. Windows 8 so far I have not seen a single blue screen on multiple devices. Win7 and Win8 are very frequently lauded for being stable without blue screens.
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Yeah, this is where Microsoft failed to market their product. They do have tablets with windows and at the same time they can be "simple" devices just as good as an ipad, but admittedly they have stupid commercials showing baseball scouts and idiocy like that instead of showing a student being able to write a word document, edit a photoshop graphic, and then pack up and check facebook on the subway, something more than the ipad can do, yet it still reverts back to that dumb tablet if the user wants it to.
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Yes, no one wants to use Windows nowadays unless you want to play games, this operating system has left a bitter taste in the computer history plagued with bugs, blue screens, horrible RAM memory management, disk fragmentation, the elephant registry, virus, horrible icons and design, Windows itself few months later after a fresh install gets horribly laggy and unstable, Linux and MacOSX and all UNIX like SO's its the way to go if you are serious about your operating system. So lets be honest, iOS is falling behind horribly and getting stale due to those lacks, Android and Windows are taking advantage of it.
I think blue screens are a valid point to bring up when discussing Windows. They are part of the history of the OS and can still occur depending on faulty driver/software or hardware. Absolutely nothing ignorant about that. Now does the BSOD happen a lot less now with each new version? Sure, but the point is a valid one. As a one off goodie for you, the XBOX 360 has the infamous RROD and that was a completely different OS but I digress.
There are some folks out there that want a full OS on a tablet, but truly they are the minority. Why do I say this? The consumers have spoken. PC\laptop sales are in decline year after year. Tablets are flying off the shelves (excluding Microsoft's). Even if there was a large market out there for a full blown OS on a tablet, Microsoft's approach would still fail and already has failed. The Surface Pro is hardly lighting up the sales charts. The way you put it, you basically said if the Surface costs $1 and if it had an easy mode, etc..... it would sell like hotcakes. That's a whole lot of ifs!
Again, I think some folks including Microsoft keep clinging to the past to try and lead us into the future. It's a bad strategy. People have seen the light and don't want it anymore. Do you really want to go back to the days of installing Java, Flash, and Shockwave before you get on the internet? Do you want to go back to scheduled defrags? Scheduled virus scans? Updating your drivers to get the kinks worked out? Do you want to go back to deciding if you need PRO, HOME, HOME PREMIUM, ENTERPRISE and so on? Nope. There is a better way and Microsoft is not currently providing it.
P.S. MS used to be able to buy or bully their way out of messes. Now all their competitors have the same or better financial strength and clout so copying technology isn't going to cut it anymore. They truly need to innovate to thrive nowadays. Ballmer has to go!
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Yeah? If your Mac catches on fire, it'll probably kernel panic when the ram pops from all the heat. Why harp on a potentiality?
Blue screens don't just happen at random anymore. They really haven't since XP.
LOL, come on. So every faulty driver or device is scheduled to occur when you expect it? The point being made is that when discussing Windows, for most consumers, stability and ease of use aren't the first things that fly off the tongue. When consumers purchase a product, they think about past experiences as a deciding factor most of the time.
Yeah, and blue screens rarely ever happen these days, and haven't for years. You're saying because it was a big issue for the Windows 9x series, people remember that and judge current versions against it?
It's like comparing a modern Mac against the absolute terribleness of OS8 and 9. Hell, Macs didn't even have preemptive multitasking until 2001.
You clearly don't work in I/T. Also, of the entire post, why did you focus on one small fragment to go back and forth on?
And you're clearly not a dinosaur herder.
Why did I focus on one small part? Cuz Macs usually are easier to use than Windows machines. But as far as stability and power go, they're about neck and neck these days.
Ok, since we are going on tangents and going down rabbit holes, I'll drop one more nugget before I go back into lurk mode.
Google Windows 2008 R2 and BSOD. Are you aware that there are MS tools available to analyze BSOD dumps for their latest OSes? Are you aware of windows patches hanging servers and desktops from time to time? There are vendor drivers and software that cause problems as well but I think you get the point. Go tell any I/T professional that BSODs only occur on Windows 9x OSes. You probably will get laughed out of the room.
In my initial post I stated that the BSOD doesn't occur nearly as much as in the past but that memory has a lasting effect on many consumers.
Bottom line: I walk up to a random person and say BSOD, chances are they know what I'm talking about.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/resolving-stop-blue-screen-errors-in-windows-7
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Of course BSODs still happen. Hardware goes bad. Drivers get messed up. If you're running a hardware intensive server that needs to be up as long as possible, you'll want tools to figure out exactly why something went wrong if and when it does.
Just because MS provides tools to read blue screen dumps doesn't speak of the stability of the OS itself. There are crash logs in Unix. There are crash logs in Linux. There are crashlogs in BeOS. Crashes do happen.
Though...
For how long? 10 years? 20? 10 years ago, OSX was only just starting to get decent. 20? Only the hardcore of the hardcore stuck with Macs back then. Yet these days no one thinks about all the problems Apple machines used to have. So why is this somehow different for Windows?
...probably because a lot more people have used Windows, which kinda works into your bottom line. For a long time MS controlled close to 95% of the entire PC market. People are gonna remember bad things a little more because of that.
But it's not really pertinent to the quality of the OS these days. And contrary to the woeful performance of the Surface, and the moderate declining of the market, Windows and Windows 8 tablets and laptops are selling well enough to bring in profit for quite a few companies.
Edit: Hey cool! Links!
http://www.macworld.com/article/2027201/how-to-troubleshoot-a-kernel-panic.html
http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/Troubleshooting-Os-X-Kernel-Panics.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10344626-263.html
...what's kinda funny is that the steps you take to resolve constant kernel panics are about the same to fix BSOD issues.
Just because MS provides tools to read blue screen dumps doesn't speak of the stability of the OS itself. There are crash logs in Unix. There are crash logs in Linux. There are crashlogs in BeOS. Crashes do happen.
Though...
For how long? 10 years? 20? 10 years ago, OSX was only just starting to get decent. 20? Only the hardcore of the hardcore stuck with Macs back then. Yet these days no one thinks about all the problems Apple machines used to have. So why is this somehow different for Windows?
...probably because a lot more people have used Windows, which kinda works into your bottom line. For a long time MS controlled close to 95% of the entire PC market. People are gonna remember bad things a little more because of that.
But it's not really pertinent to the quality of the OS these days. And contrary to the woeful performance of the Surface, and the moderate declining of the market, Windows and Windows 8 tablets and laptops are selling well enough to bring in profit for quite a few companies.
Edit: Hey cool! Links!
http://www.macworld.com/article/2027201/how-to-troubleshoot-a-kernel-panic.html
http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/Troubleshooting-Os-X-Kernel-Panics.htm
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10344626-263.html
...what's kinda funny is that the steps you take to resolve constant kernel panics are about the same to fix BSOD issues.
I think the BSOD *might* be a good talking point with desktops mostly, to a MUCH smaller degree with laptops, and not at all with tablets. Why? Because tablets have non interchangeable hardware, and a driver set provided by the manufacturer with an alternate basic driver set from Microsoft. This provides a level of stability above what's already a well documented rock solid stability of not only windows 8, but also windows 7.
I get it though, I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Windows on a tablet theoretically brings a higher degree of tech know how. But in reality it's fairly transparent, and you really only believe this after you use a windows tablet for some time. You set the tablet to only open in Metro mode, all the settings are there in metro mode, you only use Metro apps, you don't have any of the issues you are worried about. Sure the BSOD is a valid point, but a valid point that virtually never happens becomes a valid but incredibly unimportant point.
I still don't think the point that consumers don't want windows on a tablet has been proven. PC sales are in decline because consumers want tablets, but that's not the whole story. What motivation is there to replace a 5 year old PC? Besides gaming, or a specialized field that needs the computing power what reason is there to replace a PC? This is the same exact conundrum that smartphones are starting to get into, and why the entire low cost smartphone market is heating up just like E-machines broke the PC industry 15 years ago.
As for MS strategy, you are 100% correct, that's what's killing them. Surface RT is junk and splits the market. Surface Pro is too niche. Atom tablets are undermarketed and not really showcased by Microsoft. Windows 8 Metro, while a necessary evil, is still an evil that has to be accepted kicking and screaming by windows users. Yes it's an uphill battle, but it still doesn't prove that consumers don't want windows tablets.
As for the future, I don't think the ipad is the future, to me it's a toy of the past kind of reminding me of using a big Palm Pilot but with modern hardware/specs. Just to call Windows a remnant of the past is like calling OSx a remnant of the past. I understand that they are desktop OS', but when Microsoft tries to shift it into mobile mode everyone cries foul. They really have done a good job, people just like to stick their head in the sand and pretend they did not because it's a threat to their beloved Apple.
In the end we are different users. I feel as I've given up WAY too much functionality being forced to use iOS all these years. I think when long battery life CPU's come around, hopefully in the surface 2 we are going to see quite a difference in the market, nothing overwhelming but it will be significant. Only time will tell and we can revisit this thread when we see a long battery life surface Pro 2 and what effect it has on the market.
I think you are missing the point. Apple isn't making tablets based on OSX so why are you using that as a counter point?