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apple makes a stand for the ipad in the same way that MS makes a keyboard for the surface. neither one comes with it.

I know. However try reading the comment I quoted again - it implies that the iPad has a built in stand. Hence the post :rolleyes:
 
Smart cover. They've been selling those since day one.
Read the post I was quoting again. It implies the stand is built in - I'm fully aware that the Smart cover provides that function, however the OP implied it was a built in feature.
 
Perhaps Microsoft can now see why apple made a new OS instead of trying to shoehorn OSX into a tablet form!
 
So what is Microsoft's plan for when consumers no longer need Windows or Office?
 
They couldn't do anything more to get the product out there short of giving them away.
 
Microsoft is miserably failing in the mobile world because of the "accessories" its tablets use. They still don't understand that we are transitioning to the post PC era. This tablet looks no different than the Windows 8 laptops. As useful as USB is that is a step pack for the tablet ecosystem where files are increasingly stored in cloud databases and shared wirelessly. Further more this commercial is weak. They need to really wake up.
 
Microsoft is miserably failing in the mobile world because of the "accessories" its tablets use. They still don't understand that we are transitioning to the post PC era. This tablet looks no different than the Windows 8 laptops. As useful as USB is that is a step pack for the tablet ecosystem where files are increasingly stored in cloud databases and shared wirelessly. Further more this commercial is weak. They need to really wake up.

Keyboards and styluses (stylii) are some of the best selling accessories for the iPad, you know. Those are totally oldschool PC.
 
MS is becoming really pathetic. They should just give up while they have an ounce of dignity left.

I think they should focus more promoting their wp line. They actually have a chance with that.
 
I prefer the iPad over for the eco system and operating system. I do like the ads though from Microsoft but I don't like how Microsoft has mixed both the Metro interface along with the legacy Windows Desktop and made two variants of the Surface. In my opinion this really fragments the market.
 
Forget product quality comparisons for a second, and just consider the following:

2 products with almost identical form factors, launched at the same time into a crowded market to challenge an established market leader...

  • One runs a computer OS, one runs a tablet OS....but they look the same.
  • The target market has never heard of them and now they encounter the product in retail (Staples, Office Depot, etc.)
  • One is 2X the cost of the other and nobody in the store can tell them the difference between the 2 products.
If Apple came out with a new iPad called the iPad X and it ran a full version of OSX and cost twice what the iPad does (yes everyone on MR would want one), it would still be very confusing to all the non-fanboys.

Which is exactly why Apple wouldn't do that.

This is a management failure at MS not a product failure.

The iPad works because it doesn't run OSX, it's not a computer in the traditional sense. That's why a 3 year old can use it. That's why your granny can use it. It appeals to the many people who still don't use and/or understand computers. That's what MS doesn't get. The Surface is just another Windows PC rather than a tablet.
 
Which is exactly why Apple wouldn't do that.

This is a management failure at MS not a product failure.

I could agree with this.

See, I don't think the Surface line is dead, or even dying. On the other hand, I do think the Surface RT line is. x86 Atom chips can match ARM on battery life, and Haswell gives you a lot of power with a good bit of longevity. Comparatively, the only advantage RT has going for it is that it's cheap.

...but considering it starts at $499 without the keyboard, it's not really cheap enough to be a good cheap option. So here it is, not moving at all, and withering on the vine.

The iPad works because it doesn't run OSX, it's not a computer in the traditional sense. That's why a 3 year old can use it. That's why your granny can use it. It appeals to the many people who still don't use and/or understand computers. That's what MS doesn't get. The Surface is just another Windows PC rather than a tablet.

This I don't agree with. MS never intended to compete with the iPad in its own demographic. The Surface line, RT and all, are supposed to be "business" tablets. Something more productivity oriented. Thing is, why would anyone who wants to be productive with a tablet buy the RT? Not when the Pro or an absolutely massive variety of x86 OEM tablets to choose from.
 
I can safely say, I've never once in my life wanted or needed a USB port on my tablet devices. You know we've got some excellent internet services and wireless connectivity these days...

Well, I do sometimes could use an USB port on my iPad, as I tend to move data around a lot, but it's not crucial. I do have the USB and SD Card adapters, which provide some functionality when importing photos.

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It seems Microsoft is firing their last shots of paintball at Apple, and can't afford to bring real bullets to the fight.
 
Nice price for $349; will wait for the next drop, if the Pro was $500 then I would definitely get one.
 
Surface RT: there are not enough apps available and it has no retina display. essentially, it's just for people who wants to do basic internet browsing, send and receive emails. microsoft joined the competition too late and they should have sold RT from the beginning at $349 to open the market, so more app developers would wanna make apps for it.

Surface PRO: way too expensive. it's within the price range of macbook air and i would not think twice before taking a macbook air instead of a Surface PRO. an actual laptop with larger screen vs. a device trys to be both tablet and laptop but failed both.

Sorry microsoft, you don't have anything i wanna buy this time around.
 
MSFT still hasn't learned from its tablet PC era mistakes. The tablet is a media consumption device, and all the smarmy ads in the world are going to change it. True, they understand, perhaps better than Apple, that any attempt at productivity on a non-desktop requires traditional peripherals; touch is too cumbersome and voice controls are still in their infancy. Add in an app ecosystem without the maturity of Apple's and you pretty much have a disaster that was apparently to anyone not residing in Redmond, WA.

Taking it a step further, I feel it's just as accurate to say that we're approaching the post-tablet period as well. In the near-future, I believe one's entire digital presence will be driven by a single wireless device that functions as a mobile phone, a desktop and a media delivery device. The foundations for Apple are already there. An power-efficient Intel mobile architecture, perhaps two generations removed from Haswell, inside an Apple phone with a micro-Thunderbolt port, using a ubiquitous media delivery protocol for pairing with external displays like monitors or HDTVs, would be all that most consumers, or even prosumers, would need. Just my thoughts.
 
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